2024-25 Roster…too soon?

[BHawk21]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

 

[Giovi]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

I think most will agree getting Bedard help is a priority. That doesn't mean that it's time to start giving up picks or prospects, or that it's time to bring in players on long term deals, unless their age lines up with the Hawks timeline for becoming a contender.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

I think the issue is we had no depth. we had tinordi and Megna and zaitsev who are all going to be out of the league. same goes with sanford, raddysh, enwhiste and Reese johnson if you replace those guys with NHL players IE league AVG. plus AA, blackwell, hall murph all got hurt for really long stretches.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

Overpay short term deals I’m in

 

[Taze em]

Necas would be on my radar if it only cost 18 and a second and he signed for 7.5 or below. Since that won’t happen, it’s a pass

 

[Hawkaholic]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

Yes, as long was we aren't giving out long term big money contracts, or trading major assets for them, I think everyone agrees he needs more help.

 

[Wally1112pac]

Devils GM open to dealing 10th overall pick, eyes goaltending help this summer | TSN

New Jersey Devils general manager Tom Fitzgerald is letting it be known that he's open to dealing the 10th overall pick in this month's NHL draft.

www.tsn.ca

Devils are open to dealing the 10th pick. Article says they are looking for goaltending. I doubt they would have interest in Mrazek. How about 10th pick and Palat (3 more years at 6mil per) for Seth Jones (6 more years at 9.5 per) Assuming Seth waives for Jersey.

 

[BHawk21]

Overpay short term deals I’m in

Who are realistically those players?

Stamkos and Marchessault are most likely not coming to Chicago. Pavelski retiring. Guentzel and Reinharts age and contract length. Duchene wants to stay in Dallas

Kane?
Toffoli?
Tarasanko?
Teravainen?

If your not trying to use assets these are your options if the consider short term and willing to come to a last place team.

The time line is when Bedard is 22-30. Thats in 3 years. Necas would be 28-33 in the life of that contract and 25-28 while building to a contender and helping Bedard.

Yes, as long was we aren't giving out long term big money contracts, or trading major assets for them, I think everyone agrees he needs more help.

Who is that help?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Who are realistically those players?

Stamkos and Marchessault are most likely not coming to Chicago. Pavelski retiring. Guentzel and Reinharts age and contract length. Duchene wants to stay in Dallas

Kane?
Toffoli?
Tarasanko?
Teravainen?

If your not trying to use assets these are your options if the consider short term and willing to come to a last place team.


Who is that help?

Kane Teuvo and Toffoli sound good to me

 

[BHawk21]

Kane Teuvo and Toffoli sound good to me

If any of those players leave are they willing to go to the 2nd worst team in the league for their last contract. If so sure.

Teuvo and Toffoli are getting 4-5 years and overpay to come would be 4 years 6 million??

Is that better then 8 years 7-7.5 million for Necas. I dont think so. Necas has upside.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Who are realistically those players?

Stamkos and Marchessault are most likely not coming to Chicago. Pavelski retiring. Guentzel and Reinharts age and contract length. Duchene wants to stay in Dallas

Kane?
Toffoli?
Tarasanko?
Teravainen?

If your not trying to use assets these are your options if the consider short term and willing to come to a last place team.

The time line is when Bedard is 22-30. Thats in 3 years. Necas would be 28-33 in the life of that contract and 25-28 while building to a contender and helping Bedard.

Who is that help?

I don't know who they are, but those examples sound good to me (I dont care for Tarasenko) if they want to come for a short term, high money deal. Offer them a couple more million than what they are getting offered for a shorter term deal and see who is interested.

Necas requires us trading 1st round pick(s) and a solid prospect, both of which should be off limits in a trade for where the Hawks are currently.

If any of those players leave are they willing to go to the 2nd worst team in the league for their last contract. If so sure.

Teuvo and Toffoli are getting 4-5 years and overpay to come would be 4 years 6 million??

Is that better then 8 years 7-7.5 million for Necas. I dont think so. Necas has upside.

Offer TT or Toffolli 6-7mil for 2 years and see if they bite. And yes, thats much better than trading assets and signing Necas to that overpaid deal.

 

[BHawk21]

I don't know who they are, but those examples sound good to me (I dont care for Tarasenko) if they want to come for a short term, high money deal. Offer them a couple more million than what they are getting offered for a shorter term deal and see who is interested.

Necas requires us trading 1st round pick(s) and a solid prospect, both of which should be off limits in a trade for where the Hawks are currently.


Offer TT or Toffolli 6-7mil for 2 years and see if they bite. And yes, thats much better than trading assets and signing Necas to that overpaid deal.

If these players 2 players dont bite and you go into the year with Hall and Kurashev as Bedards wingers your actively hurting his development.

Toffoli is projected 4 years at 6 million
Teuvo is projected 4 years at 5.5 million

Overpay from there.

 

[BHawk21]

29 year old Teuvo at 3 years 6.5 million for nothing (If he wants to)

25 year old Necas at 8 years 7.5 million for 23rd overall 2025 and Kaiser

 

[Hawkaholic]

If these players 2 players dont bite and you go into the year with Hall and Kurashev as Bedards wingers your actively hurting his development.

Toffoli is projected 4 years at 6 million
Teuvo is projected 4 years at 5.5 million

Overpay from there.

They'll find someone.
If they get Necas for some dumb reason, no guarantee he plays on Bedards line anyway, since he isn't very good defensively either.

 

[Mrfenn92]

If any of those players leave are they willing to go to the 2nd worst team in the league for their last contract. If so sure.

Teuvo and Toffoli are getting 4-5 years and overpay to come would be 4 years 6 million??

Is that better then 8 years 7-7.5 million for Necas. I dont think so. Necas has upside.

Give Kane 2x10
Give Toffoli or Teauvo 2x8

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I think most will agree getting Bedard help is a priority. That doesn't mean that it's time to start giving up picks or prospects, or that it's time to bring in players on long term deals, unless their age lines up with the Hawks timeline for becoming a contender.

Strongly agree with this. I'd rather see if there were some quality reclamation projects that teams want to move on from before paying "full value" in young quality assets for a guy like Necas who is looking for an overpayment contract wise. No desire to pay a guy $8M a year to play center who can't win face-offs and is bad defensively.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Necas isn’t on the hawks radar, sorry guys. You’re getting yourselves all twisted for nothing.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Kakko is an example of an ideal candidate for the Hawks. Find Versteeg and Sharp.

fiww, i wouldn't say Versteeg or Sharp fit the "Kakko" model, as with Kakko we're talking about a 2nd overall pick "reclamation project" type. Sharp and Versteeg were not that highly regarded in terms of draft capital. Sharp was young (but not that young) NHL player that needed more opportunity (see Golden Knights "misfits" when they began as a franchise) and Versteeg was a well-performing 5th round pick in his first year of the AHL.

 

[TheFridge]

Who are realistically those players?

Stamkos and Marchessault are most likely not coming to Chicago. Pavelski retiring. Guentzel and Reinharts age and contract length. Duchene wants to stay in Dallas

Kane?
Toffoli?
Tarasanko?
Teravainen?

If your not trying to use assets these are your options if the consider short term and willing to come to a last place team.

The time line is when Bedard is 22-30. Thats in 3 years. Necas would be 28-33 in the life of that contract and 25-28 while building to a contender and helping Bedard.

Who is that help?

Mantha, Bertuzzi, Teravainen, Tarasenko, Kane, Toffoli, Marchessault, Arvidsson, Debrusk... lots of options on the UFA market.

Then you look at potential trade partners. Seguin's got a big contract the next two years, maybe Dallas wants to move it this off-season? They've got to re-sign Robertson, Oettinger and Johnston over the next two years, plus fill out the rest of their roster. Jeff Skinner has 3 years left on his deal. Does Buffalo want to move that out?

It's not going to be that hard to find some decent stop gaps to play with Bedard while we await younger reinforcements. It's a priority but not at the expense of building back up this roster to be good when they want it to be good.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Everyone is quick to say no to each player because of that reason or the next.

Do we agree that Bedard does need talent to play with as soon as next year?

No need to conflate acquiring and paying Necas specifically with a generalized notion of acquiring anyone in any fashion whatsoever just because Necas is the name that happened to pop up recently.

 

[Giovi]

29 year old Teuvo at 3 years 6.5 million for nothing (If he wants to)

25 year old Necas at 8 years 7.5 million for 23rd overall 2025 and Kaiser

Why do you assume Necas would want to sign with the Hawks, but not anyone else?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Why do you assume Necas would want to sign with the Hawks, but not anyone else?

Because if we trade for him he can't.

 

[Malaka]

Devils GM open to dealing 10th overall pick, eyes goaltending help this summer | TSN

New Jersey Devils general manager Tom Fitzgerald is letting it be known that he's open to dealing the 10th overall pick in this month's NHL draft.

www.tsn.ca

Devils are open to dealing the 10th pick. Article says they are looking for goaltending. I doubt they would have interest in Mrazek. How about 10th pick and Palat (3 more years at 6mil per) for Seth Jones (6 more years at 9.5 per) Assuming Seth waives for Jersey.

I love the enthusiasm but SJ has no place in their defense. They have a very bright pipeline on their right side after Hamilton/Marino with Nemec and Seamus Casey.

A 4 way trade between Jones going to Toronto, Marner going to NSH, Saros/Askarov going to NJ, and 10OA coming back is maybe a dream but idk why the hawks would need to get involved when Nashville would probably just run it for 10OA+

 

[Bubba88]

I like how you take his career year and season he regressed badly to then even out to a 60pt plyaer

Why not go back 3 years then if you want sample size?

21-22 = 78 GP with 14 goals + 26 assists for 40 pts and a +5
22-23 = 82 GP with 28 goals + 43 assists for 71 pts and a +5
23-24 = 77 GP with 24 goals + 29 assists for 53 pts and a -9

Me thinks you don't want that because it shows how

1) How his 22-23 season looks like fluke
2) He regressed badly this year

Your argument is essentially that Necas needs perfect C, full PP1 time and other things to be more than a 40-50 pt guy

Further strengthening my argument/case that he isn't worth the high cost to acquire him and the awful contract he wants

Any team that gives up high quality assets in trade + a 8 yr/$64M+ deal to Necas is going to regret it

And if Necas is so amazing why are Canes not keeping him? Why are they not moving heaven and earth to keep such a player?

you know that this averages to a 55 Point season?
If you take out his best year, take out his worst. Other than that both count.
You know what's his career average? 54 Points.
Stop calling him a 40 pt player.

He's only available because of the Cap problems the Canes have and you know that.

 

[BHawk21]

Mantha, Bertuzzi, Teravainen, Tarasenko, Kane, Toffoli, Marchessault, Arvidsson, Debrusk... lots of options on the UFA market.

Then you look at potential trade partners. Seguin's got a big contract the next two years, maybe Dallas wants to move it this off-season? They've got to re-sign Robertson, Oettinger and Johnston over the next two years, plus fill out the rest of their roster. Jeff Skinner has 3 years left on his deal. Does Buffalo want to move that out?

It's not going to be that hard to find some decent stop gaps to play with Bedard while we await younger reinforcements. It's a priority but not at the expense of building back up this roster to be good when they want it to be good.

All these trades ideas have NTC. Most of those free agents want term or wont come here. If you stick Bedard with Mantha or Tarasenko your not doing him any favors. Not using a later first to get 8 years of proven talent in their prime to help your best player is not "being smart".

Why do you assume Necas would want to sign with the Hawks, but not anyone else?

You would only trade for him if he does want to sign long term. Hes good freinds with Mrazek and would get to play 1st power play and 1st line like he wants to.