2024-25 Roster…too soon?

[BHawk21]

People have in there heads that 7.5 for Necas is an overpayment. The contract will get better over the years when we need the contact to be good. Its a perfect time for the contract when we have the front years to kill. If he was 28 yea that wouldnt work.

 

[BHawk21]

They'll find someone.
If they get Necas for some dumb reason, no guarantee he plays on Bedards line anyway, since he isn't very good defensively either.

Bedard was playing with Nick Foligno for half the year. People are suggesting Kane for 10 million a year. Hes worse defensively.

Necas would be a top 6 player for the next 8 years. Using an asset to get that locked in is not some gamble.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Im probably not the only 1 that refreshes twitter way to Much.
grant Mcagg hearing CHI and ANA are leaning Defense-
Freidge wild prediction is jake guentsel to CHI
Wheeler said he has heard Hage is taller then the 6-0/1 that has been reported should know in a few days. if he is 6-2 probably moves up is my guess.
also the S & C coach for hawks does not look at scouting reports he tries to predict what they will look like at 22. when he meets them at the combine

 

[Hawkaholic]

Bedard was playing with Nick Foligno for half the year. People are suggesting Kane for 10 million a year. Hes worse defensively.

Necas would be a top 6 player for the next 8 years. Using an asset to get that locked in is not some gamble.

Foligno is decent defensively, I dont think Kane and Bedard play together 5 on 5 if he comes back.
Neither of those guys cost assets.

It wont be just one asset to acquire Necas, it will be multiple. Overpaying to acquire and overpaying to sign him is not something the Hawks should be doing at this point, and he isn't a guy worthy of being overpaid. And it is a gamble if he is just the 50-60pt guy he's been almost his entire career.

 

[Pertti]

People have in there heads that 7.5 for Necas is an overpayment. The contract will get better over the years when we need the contact to be good. Its a perfect time for the contract when we have the front years to kill. If he was 28 yea that wouldnt work.

Contract will get better was something we said for Toews and Kane, they never did.

He is worth the assets was something we said for Jones, probably never will either.

 

[u2wojo]

There is a thread the needle middle between commiting long term to someone that may or may not fit when we get good and getting marginally better in the next couple of seasons while we wait for more kids to develop to take the next step. I don't mind taking a stab at Necas if the cost to acquire is rational as in somehow not involving a 1st and the cost of his contract is rational. If the Canes would take #34 + Kaiser (or Allen) + Raddysh + some other filler in a quantity trade and he would sign long term for 7 per, I am all aboard the Necas train. But that ain't happening.

Before I give up a 1st+ and commit to Necas at 8, I offer what it takes to get one of Lindholm or Stephenson (even if you have to overpay because Chicago is rebuilding those guys are probably in the 7-8 range Necas is demanding) and you have a guy that actually plays center and wins faceoffs instead of paying assets and overpaying on contract for a guy that wants to play C and is terrible at faceoffs. AFP projects Stephenson at 5.612x5 years and Lindholm 6.77X 5...I suspect if you offered each a million per more than the projection and a 6th year, one would be a taker and the 2C until they hopefully get pushed to 3C in several years.

One of Stephenson/Lindholm, one of Kane/Teuvo (especially Kane on a 2-3 year deal), and a RHD with some offensive capability, a decent #2 NHL goalie (instead of what Soda was last season) and this team makes a massive step in competitiveness. Not a playoff team, but way better as we wait for kids to develop.

 

[BHawk21]

Foligno is decent defensively, I dont think Kane and Bedard play together 5 on 5 if he comes back.
Neither of those guys cost assets.

It wont be just one asset to acquire Necas, it will be multiple. Overpaying to acquire and overpaying to sign him is not something the Hawks should be doing at this point, and he isn't a guy worthy of being overpaid. And it is a gamble if he is just the 50-60pt guy he's been almost his entire career.

You keep saying overpaying to sign him. I am not sure why you keep saying that.

Contract will get better was something we said for Toews and Kane, they never did.

He is worth the assets was something we said for Jones, probably never will either.

The cap didnt go up.

Boqvist and Sillinger is what we lost for Jones. The team finishing 6th to last was the problem with the assets.

Foligno is decent defensively, I dont think Kane and Bedard play together 5 on 5 if he comes back.
Neither of those guys cost assets.

It wont be just one asset to acquire Necas, it will be multiple. Overpaying to acquire and overpaying to sign him is not something the Hawks should be doing at this point, and he isn't a guy worthy of being overpaid. And it is a gamble if he is just the 50-60pt guy he's been almost his entire career.

Foligno is a 4th liner. Who is Bedard going to play with if you have Kane playing on another line?

Hes going to have to drag Kurashev again? Thats a terrible development strategy.

 

[TheFridge]

All these trades ideas have NTC. Most of those free agents want term or wont come here. If you stick Bedard with Mantha or Tarasenko your not doing him any favors. Not using a later first to get 8 years of proven talent in their prime to help your best player is not "being smart".


You would only trade for him if he does want to sign long term. Hes good freinds with Mrazek and would get to play 1st power play and 1st line like he wants to.

Yes and? I don't see many contenders that would be able to take on their contracts. It's like, you can stay on this team that doesn't want you and they'll bury you in the lineup or you can go to a team that does want you and you get to play with Bedard to run out your contract. Maybe they stay. Point is, it's something worth exploring.

"Most of those free agents want term or won't come here." Can you read everyone's minds, or just soon to be UFA players?

GIving up an asset (or assets) to get a player whose best years will be right now and the next 3-4 years -- years the Blackhawks are still going to be mostly bad through (because hi, we're in year 2 of a torn to the studs rebuild) -- is stupid. Not to mention, you just assume all it's going to take is a late 1st. What if the cost is 18th + Nazar? Or Moore? You're still making that deal? To acquire a player who'll be *30* by the time the Hawks are serious playoff contenders again?

 

[BHawk21]

Im probably not the only 1 that refreshes twitter way to Much.
grant Mcagg hearing CHI and ANA are leaning Defense-
Freidge wild prediction is jake guentsel to CHI
Wheeler said he has heard Hage is taller then the 6-0/1 that has been reported should know in a few days. if he is 6-2 probably moves up is my guess.
also the S & C coach for hawks does not look at scouting reports he tries to predict what they will look like at 22. when he meets them at the combine

Jake Guentzel for 7x9 million Ages 30 to 37
Martin Necas 7x7.5 million Ages 25-33 for Reichel+ or Toronto 1st +

 

[Giovi]

Because if we trade for him he can't.

What I was trying to ask, but definitely didn't make clear, was why was the poster talking like he assumed Necas would want to sign with the Hawks, but he assumed none of the other players mentioned would want to sign with the Hawks.

 

[BHawk21]

Yes and? I don't see many contenders that would be able to take on their contracts. It's like, you can stay on this team that doesn't want you and they'll bury you in the lineup or you can go to a team that does want you and you get to play with Bedard to run out your contract. Maybe they stay. Point is, it's something worth exploring.

"Most of those free agents want term or won't come here." Can you read everyone's minds, or just soon to be UFA players?

GIving up an asset (or assets) to get a player whose best years will be right now and the next 3-4 years -- years the Blackhawks are still going to be mostly bad through (because hi, we're in year 2 of a torn to the studs rebuild) -- is stupid. Not to mention, you just assume all it's going to take is a late 1st. What if the cost is 18th + Nazar? Or Moore? You're still making that deal? To acquire a player who'll be *30* by the time the Hawks are serious playoff contenders again?

And its not the blackhawks decision....

If the cost is 18th and Nazar or Moore you dont do it. Its not that complicated.

What I was trying to ask, but definitely didn't make clear, was why was the poster talking like he assumed Necas would want to sign with the Hawks, but he assumed none of the other players mentioned would want to sign with the Hawks.

and that poster explained it to you.

 

[TheFridge]

And its not the blackhawks decision....

If the cost is 18th and Nazar or Moore you dont do it. Its not that complicated.

What's not the Blackhawks decision? Whether they waive to come to CHI or not? Who cares? If they don't waive you move on.

You're right, it's not that complicated. Necas isn't a fit.

 

[BHawk21]

What's not the Blackhawks decision? Whether they waive to come to CHI or not? Who cares? If they don't waive you move on.

You're right, it's not that complicated. Necas isn't a fit.

The problem is he is a fit. You dont want to pay to get him. If he was a free agent everyone on this board would be lining up for him.

 

[TheFridge]

The problem is he is a fit. You dont want to pay to get him. If he was a free agent everyone on this board would be lining up for him.

My guy. Go back and read my posts. I've been saying from the outset that Necas isn't a fit because he's tool old. Presumably, he's going to want term. That's the one thing I wouldn't offer. Hence, why I said you target vets on short term deals or overpaid players on soon-to-be expiring deals.

If Necas wanted to come here on a 4-year deal and was a UFA, sure I'd sign him. The problem is that he's going to want -- and is highly likely to get -- 6-7 years. And at basically 26-years-old, those are deals the Hawks shouldn't be giving out *on top of* the fact that Necas isn't a UFA and will cost assets to acquire.

 

[BHawks77]

The problem is he is a fit. You dont want to pay to get him. If he was a free agent everyone on this board would be lining up for him.

Necas wants to play center but for some reason Hurricanes didnt use him as such while they have a huge need for 2C on their lineup.

If he played Center in Chicago he wont help Bedard so doesnt seem like a fit.

Also Necas isnt that good on defense. So that also doesnt seem like a good center or a wingman for Bedard. Also would Necas be happy to sign as a winger??

 

[Hawkaholic]

You keep saying overpaying to sign him. I am not sure why you keep saying that.



Foligno is a 4th liner. Who is Bedard going to play with if you have Kane playing on another line?

Hes going to have to drag Kurashev again? Thats a terrible development strategy.

Because, he is going to get 7.5mil + on a contract, which is overpay for what he brings, which isn't much outside of points. He isnt great defensively, and cant drive his own line. Zero interest in paying a player that much who doesn't bring more to the table.

I doubt Kane would be the only player they bring in.

I don't think its a big deal if Bedard has the same linemates he did last year. Having more depth behind him is the issue. Teams can just solely focus on Bedard, and not have to worry about anyone else. If they bring Kane in, that gives other teams another player to think about on a different line.

I'm not huge on bringing Kane back myself though, for the reason that I don't think they should play together because both are terrible defensively.

The problem is he is a fit. You dont want to pay to get him. If he was a free agent everyone on this board would be lining up for him.

True, (depending on the salary of the contract that is), because it doesn't cost you major assets to acquire him lol

 

[BHawk21]

Because, he is going to get 7.5mil + on a contract, which is overpay for what he brings, which isn't much outside of points. He isnt great defensively, and cant drive his own line. Zero interest in paying a player that much who doesn't bring more to the table.

I doubt Kane would be the only player they bring in.

I don't think its a big deal if Bedard has the same linemates he did last year. Having more depth behind him is the issue. Teams can just solely focus on Bedard, and not have to worry about anyone else. If they bring Kane in, that gives other teams another player to think about on a different line.

I'm not huge on bringing Kane back myself though, for the reason that I don't think they should play together because both are terrible defensively.


True, (depending on the salary of the contract that is), because it doesn't cost you major assets to acquire him lol

Disagree, Disagree, explain to me what you think the major asset that he will cost?

 

[BHawk21]

Did anyone actually see Friedman wild prediction Guentzel might be going to Chicago on NHL Network? I would love to see the clip. Barstool Chief (I know everyone hates him) said something similar the other day.

NVM-

 

[statswatcher]

i think guentzel has too much to offer to want to take the kind of deal chicago is looking to give out. if they land him on something that makes sense i'd be estatic. might be the most desirable winger on the market outside of reinhart.

 

[TheFridge]

i think guentzel has too much to offer to want to take the kind of deal chicago is looking to give out. if they land him on something that makes sense i'd be estatic. might be the most desirable winger on the market outside of reinhart.

Yeah I don't think Guentzel is a realistic option at all. Doesn't sound like Elliotte was speculating based on anything he's heard. Seems he was just throwing a guess out there.

I would question Davidson's plan if he even entertained the idea of signing Guentzel to a 6/7-year deal at the AAV it would take to get him. Would Guentzel come here on a 3-year deal at 12.5M per? That could be interesting. But he'd be leaving so much term on the table it probably wouldn't be worth it for him.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Did anyone actually see Friedman wild prediction Guentzel might be going to Chicago on NHL Network? I would love to see the clip. Barstool Chief (I know everyone hates him) said something similar the other day.

NVM-

Why am I not shocked you pay attention to Chief?

 

[statswatcher]

Yeah I don't think Guentzel is a realistic option at all. Doesn't sound like Elliotte was speculating based on anything he's heard. Seems he was just throwing a guess out there.

I would question Davidson's plan if he even entertained the idea of signing Guentzel to a 6/7-year deal at the AAV it would take to get him. Would Guentzel come here on a 3-year deal at 12.5M per? That could be interesting. But he'd be leaving so much term on the table it probably wouldn't be worth it for him.

the term is really the sticking point on any deal they sign this off season. either they stay low, and probably drive away the marquee options, or they try to swing for the fences on a long term deal and compromise the plan™. i think they probably end up with who ever is left without a partner at the dance same way they got hall last year, and people end up disappointed that they couldn't give bedard more to work with. that said, they're gonna have to bring someone in, so here's hoping they hit this time.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Disagree, Disagree, explain to me what you think the major asset that he will cost?

1st round pick and probably a top 10 prospect or a Kaiser/Reichel

 

[u2wojo]

Necas wants to play center but for some reason Hurricanes didnt use him as such while they have a huge need for 2C on their lineup.

If he played Center in Chicago he wont help Bedard so doesnt seem like a fit.

Also Necas isnt that good on defense. So that also doesnt seem like a good center or a wingman for Bedard. Also would Necas be happy to sign as a winger??

The fact the Canes wouldn't use him regularly at C despite needing a C is pretty telling. A career faceoff percentage of 41.5% (34.1% this season) mediocre to poor defensive acumen screams wing not center.

 

[BHawk21]

Why am I not shocked you pay attention to Chief?

You have a weird obsession with that guy.