2023 NHL Draft situation

[Pez68]

3 points out of the wild card. 4 points out of dead last. The math doesn’t check out but I know which one we are closer to.

Lots of good teams with terrible starts.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

The ducks may be even worse than us considering how bad Gibson has fallen off a cliff while already not having a great offense

I actually think the Ducks are more talented than the Hawks overall. They should have beaten us when we played and I imagine will do so in the future. The Ducks have had a lot of close games and hopefully start to get some puck luck and win some (preferably in OT, more points league-wide).

 

[Northernhawk]

I’m gonna state this I think AGAIN...
I know Chicago will have a high first round pick...probably a lottery pick(top 10) but what I’m hoping for is an 11th to 16th coming from TB...they’d need to miss playoffs but not be a lottery team, right now their firmly in the 25-28 spot but could falter...1st, 2nd or 3rd overall would be awesome but I’ll be fine with two picks at 8-10 and 11-16...

 

[hockeydoug]

Many players wanted contracts structured with actual dollars being higher after the Covid recovery escrow period.

That was part of it, but they could have used bonus money to offset some of the $$ after July1st (or whatever date they anticipated at the time) like they did at the last year. It's almost all salary.

They’ve already been in purgatory from 2018 until this season when we’re finally tanking. Instead of actually having a shot at being a good team however, we traded an All Star winger for a top 9 forward in Saad.

I doubt we win a Cup if we didn’t do that major Panarin/Hammer shakeup but it probably would’ve been better than what we got from the Nashville sweep onwards. The cap would’ve worked out, Kane would’ve still had an elite linemate, we could’ve figured something out for Toews perhaps as well.

They wouldn't have a wing that could win a puck and play in all 3 zones in the top 6 and they were going to have hot garbage on the bottom 6 and bottom pair. Crow was all but done. There wouldn't have been cap$$ to throw around on depth. Too easy of a matchup and the division was really good in 18' and 19'.


Back to the draft situation, Hopefully the tank speeds up and they can start dumping a few players for picks before those players lose all value from playing like trash or injury.

 

[Pertti]

I’m gonna state this I think AGAIN...
I know Chicago will have a high first round pick...probably a lottery pick(top 10) but what I’m hoping for is an 11th to 16th coming from TB...they’d need to miss playoffs but not be a lottery team, right now their firmly in the 25-28 spot but could falter...1st, 2nd or 3rd overall would be awesome but I’ll be fine with two picks at 8-10 and 11-16...

Every team that misses playoffs is lottery team.

 

[Hawkey]

I’m gonna state this I think AGAIN...
I know Chicago will have a high first round pick...probably a lottery pick(top 10) but what I’m hoping for is an 11th to 16th coming from TB...they’d need to miss playoffs but not be a lottery team, right now their firmly in the 25-28 spot but could falter...1st, 2nd or 3rd overall would be awesome but I’ll be fine with two picks at 8-10 and 11-16...

There’s no way TB doesn’t make the playoffs this year. Even if there is a major injury like Vasilevskiy they will make the playoffs. We have to hope for TB being ousted in the first round to improve the pick. That could happen.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Idk if the Hawks are going to catch the Ducks......they're really bad.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Tankathon lists Bedard alone in Tier 1. Fantilli, Michkov, and Leo Carlsson in Tier 2. And everyone else is listed in The Rest.

Do you agree or disagree that those four are separating themselves from the pack in this draft class?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Tankathon lists Bedard alone in Tier 1. Fantilli, Michkov, and Leo Carlsson in Tier 2. And everyone else is listed in The Rest.

Do you agree or disagree that those four are separating themselves from the pack in this draft class?

I agree with that.

I'd hate to be the team that ends up in the 4-6 range and has to choose between Dvorsky/Sale and the uncertainty of Michkov. This year the draft starts at #4 after Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson are off the board.

 

[Wally1112pac]

The bottom 3 teams look to be Anaheim, Arizona and Us.

Ottawa, San Jose, Vancouver, Buffalo and CBJ should all distance themselves from the bottom 3 as the season moves forward.

 

[Chuck Testa]

Anaheim doesn't have 1 regulation win yet this season I don't think.

They'll be offloading Klingberg and others so their tank will be full swing all season long It'll be hard to be as bad as they're going to be and well, Arizona gonna Arizona ​

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Anaheim doesn't have 1 regulation win yet this season I don't think.​

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They'll be offloading Klingberg and others so their tank will be full swing all season long It'll be hard to be as bad as they're going to be and well, Arizona gonna Arizona ​

Agree. I think optimistically the Hawks will be choosing between Michkov and Carlsson, it seems. If they get unlucky in the lotto, it’s probably Benson or Yager.

No matter what, it seems like that pick instantly becomes their best prospect and will be a really good piece to build around.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Agree. I think optimistically the Hawks will be choosing between Michkov and Carlsson, it seems. If they get unlucky in the lotto, it’s probably Benson or Yager.

No matter what, it seems like that pick instantly becomes their best prospect and will be a really good piece to build around.

I actually like Dvorsky 5th

 

[Chuck Testa]

Agree. I think optimistically the Hawks will be choosing between Michkov and Carlsson, it seems. If they get unlucky in the lotto, it’s probably Benson or Yager.

No matter what, it seems like that pick instantly becomes their best prospect and will be a really good piece to build around.

I wonder if the Hawks somehow end up with pick 4 or 5 would they try and package that pick with another pick to move up and get Fantilli or would that even be a possibility depending on who ends up at 2 (hopefully the Hawks end up with that pick or even better, 1st overall with lotto odds)

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I wonder if the Hawks somehow end up with pick 4 or 5 would they try and package that pick with another pick to move up and get Fantilli or would that even be a possibility depending on who ends up at 2 (hopefully the Hawks end up with that pick or even better, 1st overall with lotto odds)

If Fantilli is that elite of a prospect, I’d have a hard time imagining the Coyotes or Ducks being willing to pass on the opportunity to take him.

It sure seems like the only chance you have at Bedard or Fantilli is lotto balls bouncing your way. Otherwise it’s onto the guys who still seem really good, but come with varying levels of uncertainty.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I wonder if the Hawks somehow end up with pick 4 or 5 would they try and package that pick with another pick to move up and get Fantilli or would that even be a possibility depending on who ends up at 2 (hopefully the Hawks end up with that pick or even better, 1st overall with lotto odds)

Would you move from two to four or five?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Would you move from two to four or five?

Yup. Takes two to tango.

The team picking at 2 would literally ask for Korchinski and Nazar just to move down a couple spots.

 

[Malaka]

Ducks will never and I think will be the hardest competition, I expected despite a lot of peoples talk, for Arizona to have some young player improvement and curb their chances. But it's baffling to still see Ducks fans defend John Gibson after it's now 4 years of being terrible. They put it all on the team, which is nonsense when he still has such bad goals and results. Fleury on a terrible team had 4 shutouts last year and a positive GAA

Clearly he’s been stunted a bit from being on this team the last couple years. But I’m unsure if it’s fair to blame his GAA all on him. The ducks clearly suffer on the back end.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

GAA is very much a team stat.

 

[Malaka]

Hawks keep Panarin and they're in hockey purgatory for a decade and a half. Nobody wanted to gamble huge on a trade since he wanted the money and had not proven himself a playoff performer. Hawks spend 33 AAV on Toews Kane and Panarin and are forced to keep building the roster to "win now" by trading away anything decent that needs a year or more of development. They wouldn't get out of the first round for years.

It was a bad trade but it wasn't going to get better. Hawks were done being good 5 on 5 after Hossa left the ice anyway.

It was a free two years. Toews and Kane's extension by McD 6 days before the 14' convention is what made sure any Panarin or similar player wouldn't be part of the team for the rest of the decade.

This simply isn’t true, Saad took 6m in cap the next year and the year following in which Hossa was put on LTIR, and the year in following of that seabrook lasted 38 games after that before being put down by Terry’s daft hip surgeries. Shaw too was acquired to fill out the roster despite the 2 concussions in a span of 9 months before he joined the team and retired. Then in following of course was Keith being sent out.

Over those years we also dummied lehner 5m a year despite having Crawford(who took a pay cut to play for NJ before retiring); and paid players like mattaa, smith, panik, deHaan alongside other non-impact inconsequential players 3-5m a year

I swear the whole “we could never afford panarin” is a lie/coping mechanism hawks fans tell themselves to go to sleep at night.

Edit: Also hindsight is 20/20 — the Toews and Kane deals were given like that because our genius accountant GM projected the cap to skyrocket due to the rogers TV deal. However again some genius had it written in Canadian dollars and then the deal tanked in value. That’s what made the contracts unfeasible.

 

[Chuck Testa]

Would you move from two to four or five?

Depending on team needs, I'd consider it.

Is 2nd overall > 5-10 overall and Tampa's pick?

In other words, is Fantilli > Pick 5-10 + Tampa's pick?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Depending on team needs, I'd consider it.

Is 2nd overall > 5-10 overall and Tampa's pick?

In other words, is Fantilli > Pick 5-10 + Tampa's pick?

So an elite 1C versus a top 6er + middle of the lineup guy?

I’d think most teams take the elite 1C more times than not, regardless of what their needs are.

I’d guess the calculus only changes if you know for sure you’re getting something better than a solid top 6er with that 5-10 pick, or if you simply do not rate Fantilli as high of a prospect as everyone else does.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Depending on team needs, I'd consider it.

Is 2nd overall > 5-10 overall and Tampa's pick?

In other words, is Fantilli > Pick 5-10 + Tampa's pick?

If you believe in Fantilli every team needs more of those.

 

[ClydeLee]

GAA is very much a team stat.

I meant to say gsaa, the goals saved against average.

Lots of guys on terrible teams peppered with tons of shots still have positive gsaas when they're playing well. Fleury had a positive one despite the awful team last year. Gibson has been bad there for 4 years and just loses his net or guys too often to still deserve the hype he gets because 6 years ago he had a phenomenal year.

Then sticking with Gibson will keep them bad too

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I meant to say gsaa, the goals saved against average.

Lots of guys on terrible teams peppered with tons of shots still have positive gsaas when they're playing well. Fleury had a positive one despite the awful team last year. Gibson has been bad there for 4 years and just loses his net or guys too often to still deserve the hype he gets because 6 years ago he had a phenomenal year.

Then sticking with Gibson will keep them bad too

I don't watch a ton of Anaheim so I don't really have an opinion on Gibson but goalie stats are messy at best.