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Sucks that he was supposed to be our Hjalmarsson replacement. In hindsight we should’ve just kept Hammer and Panarin. What a failure of a decision
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Kevin Musto
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Hammer lasted 4 more seasons after that trade. Murphy is still playing.
Also Murphy can easily be flipped for assets.
That was a good trade.
The Panarin trade is one of the worst trades in NHL history though.
hockeydoug
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Hawks keep Panarin and they're in hockey purgatory for a decade and a half. Nobody wanted to gamble huge on a trade since he wanted the money and had not proven himself a playoff performer. Hawks spend 33 AAV on Toews Kane and Panarin and are forced to keep building the roster to "win now" by trading away anything decent that needs a year or more of development. They wouldn't get out of the first round for years.
It was a bad trade but it wasn't going to get better. Hawks were done being good 5 on 5 after Hossa left the ice anyway.
It was a free two years. Toews and Kane's extension by McD 6 days before the 14' convention is what made sure any Panarin or similar player wouldn't be part of the team for the rest of the decade.
It was a bad trade but it wasn't going to get better. Hawks were done being good 5 on 5 after Hossa left the ice anyway.
It was a free two years. Toews and Kane's extension by McD 6 days before the 14' convention is what made sure any Panarin or similar player wouldn't be part of the team for the rest of the decade.
Kevin Musto
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Or y'know, and hear me out, they flip for him for the haul that he was worth instead of BRANDON f***ING SAAD
hockeydoug
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I just don't recall the league having a team that looked like they would part with more.
It was bad, but the only way the Hawks would have done better is if they take draft picks and a good prospect. I don't think McD was going to let that happen.
Kevin Musto
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I don't think they looked at other options.
Toews was whining to Stanley to bring Saad back.
There was also an additional year on Panarin's contract. They didn't have to move him that summer.
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Who then was going to give up a haul for him as an expiring contract AND who many thought got his numbers by playing alongside Kane?
BLKHKhockey
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I agree and that is why I go back and forth on him. I've said it before that I think he's a player that lives and dies by the system he plays in. When he's playing well, he can be decent defensively.
I just can't get over his incessant lack of poise with the puck. Would drive me crazy as a coach. I can see why some teams might want to pick him up for their 2nd pairing, but he wouldn't be my preference.
hockeydoug
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As the clock ticked on Panarin's contract, his value was going down. The whole league knew it was about money for him on the next deal.
I hope the trades start happening this year. Could be a fun race to the bottom with the tank teams this season. I wonder if gms will try to out-give-away talent to beat the other guy to the bottom.
hockeydoug
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Murphy is a very good 2nd pair type.
A big problem is his contract moving up to 5.8 real dollars. The other is health.
I will never understand why the contract is built like that other than Rocky putting them on a budget.
I wonder how much his value drops with the hike in 24' $$. Big markets won't car but it might dampen the demand a bit.
A big problem is his contract moving up to 5.8 real dollars. The other is health.
I will never understand why the contract is built like that other than Rocky putting them on a budget.
I wonder how much his value drops with the hike in 24' $$. Big markets won't car but it might dampen the demand a bit.
Kevin Musto
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A non issue for Toronto who I could easily see being in on Murphy.
Moving Holl + Engvall (who both suck) is all it'll take to make the salary work.
Then just a matter of adding those sweet picks and prospects to satisfy Chicago.
Many players wanted contracts structured with actual dollars being higher after the Covid recovery escrow period.
If Muzzin is in fact done I can see his LTIR as part of a return.
Muzzin, Holl and stuff with value (23 1st, 24 2nd becomes a 25 1st of Leafs make conf. final) for Murphy and Regula.
Holl in place of Murphy helps the tank. Regula is an NHLer but not really part of the future here.
I don’t know? If the Leafs are ‘rumoured’ to interested in Tyler Myers...then Connor Murphy is a very comparable dman...but then again the Leafs are rumoured with EVER player
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They’ve already been in purgatory from 2018 until this season when we’re finally tanking. Instead of actually having a shot at being a good team however, we traded an All Star winger for a top 9 forward in Saad.
I doubt we win a Cup if we didn’t do that major Panarin/Hammer shakeup but it probably would’ve been better than what we got from the Nashville sweep onwards. The cap would’ve worked out, Kane would’ve still had an elite linemate, we could’ve figured something out for Toews perhaps as well.
ClydeLee
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Getting the lottery win and 8th overall picks isn't purgatory. Only the lockout year where they got the Reichel pick was like that
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Looking at our pending UFAs as trade bait...
Patrick Kane
Jonathan Toews
Max Domi
Andreas Athanasiou
Jack Johnson
Jarred Tinordi
Alex Stalock
Jujhar Khaira
Buddy Robinson
Dylan Sikura
Luke Philip
Brett Seney
Defiantly looking at another 5-6 picks coming the Blackhawks way...
Patrick Kane
Jonathan Toews
Max Domi
Andreas Athanasiou
Jack Johnson
Jarred Tinordi
Alex Stalock
Jujhar Khaira
Buddy Robinson
Dylan Sikura
Luke Philip
Brett Seney
Defiantly looking at another 5-6 picks coming the Blackhawks way...
MicronMega
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Patrick Kane
Jonathan Toews
Max Domi
Andreas Athanasiou
Jack Johnson
Jarred Tinordi
I don't see them getting anything for anyone outside of these guys
Hattrick Kane
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Would have been nice to lose to the Ducks. Anyways, if I’m being objective, I still think we are the least talented team in the league. Just need these other bottom feeding idiots to win a couple games.
ColbyChaos
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The ducks may be even worse than us considering how bad Gibson has fallen off a cliff while already not having a great offense
Styles
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3 points out of the wild card. 4 points out of dead last. The math doesn’t check out but I know which one we are closer to.
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