Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)
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it's crazy to me that the guy so many consider would go 1st overall in a lot of the drafts is possibly the guy Pat won't pick.
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If it seems crazy, it’s probably cuz it is crazy and won’t happen. If fantilli fit the mold of Carlsson( less physical quiet etc player) then maybe, he wouldn’t pick him. But Adam is everything he’s ever expressed as wanting to see in our players and we even hired a coach who also demands what Fanta brings in spades.
Hates people who rooted for the Ducks to lose for 1 season. Roots for the Ducks franchise player to bust causing the Ducks to be mediocre for the next decade.
Makes sense.
The other thing is Fantilli fits in seamlessly with guys like Zegs and Terry. If we were building a forward group from scratch I think Carlsson could be a better choice but we really aren’t. Just how I see but I think it makes sense, their upside and floors seem to be pretty similar all things considered.
I mean you can say it about Carlsson and Michkov too. The "next 3" are really close to one another. I just think Fantilli is the best fit for Anaheim and less risk than Michkov.
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Some of us here are getting a little too bent out of shape about the possibility of picking Carlsson. Yes, Fantilli seems like a better fit from what Verbeek has said, but none of us actually know his full vision of the team, and also none of us were in the interviews. Maybe he really liked Carlssons interview, or maybe wasn’t as big of a fan of Fantillis. I’d say the most likely possibility though is we’re all falling for the smoke screen and reading into quotes that mean nothing and reveal nothing.
"Fantilli is closer to Bedard than Carlsson or Michkov are to Fantilli."
I cannot quote this utterance often enough. If we don't draft Fantilli, it better means that Chicago somehow took Fantilli 1st overall and we pick Bedard. There is absolutely no incentive in not picking Fantilli and no reason to do so, either.
I cannot quote this utterance often enough. If we don't draft Fantilli, it better means that Chicago somehow took Fantilli 1st overall and we pick Bedard. There is absolutely no incentive in not picking Fantilli and no reason to do so, either.
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See this is what kills me about people saying Fantilli has low hockey IQ. Not every guy at 18 just knows the best play to distribute the puck naturally. It comes with experience, and as St. Louis noted, experimentation. Like is it a flaw that Fantilli's attempts lead to turnovers? Absolutely. I don't know how you could pretend otherwise. But experimentation goes hand in hand with adaptation. Someone like Zegras is still experimenting with what works and what doesn't as he aims to be an elite playmaker. For some guys it comes naturally, for others it's learned.
I don't think I've seen anyone qualify it that way. If I'm being objective, I think all these rankings could be different if Michkov wasn't a Russia risk.
I think it was Friedman who said recently that "everyone lies at this time of year". There is lots of posturing, silence, deception, and misdirection taking place right now.
I personally lean Fantilli, but would be lying if I said much of that is not due to him being the Consensus and the fact that I am not a professional scout, so I can’t help but defer to the consensus. That being said, in the half dozen Michigan games and all WJC and WC games I watched of Fantilli, I saw many of the things Brad Allen (of the respected NHL Draft Black Book) talks about.
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Ding ding ding
But he is. And either way for the ducks. He’s a small player. That’s a no go.
I'm surprised some people here are buying into the unsubstantiated rumor mill that Anaheim prefers Carlsson. I'm not saying there's zero chance it happens, but the idea that there's a leak in Verbeek's team when they kept such a tight lid on Cronin is ridiculous.
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Aww ok, well that settles it. Seems we only can agree with scouts we say what we want to hear or they are stupid.
But that just goes to what Anaheim (probably) wants and needs. When it comes to saying whether these guys would go first overall in other years that's really not relevant. But that's semantics at the end of the day. I agree with the principle that Fantilli is the best fit and is a first overall quality prospect.
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Watching the highlights looks as though Fantilli played like a sniping winger. Later in the video, David cites that some scouts project Fantilli as an NHL winger, but EP (David) believes he can hold as an NHL center. The flaws in Fantilli's game is repeated in this video. They are the transition game, puck mgmt, and reading the play. David shared that pairing Fantilli with a playmaker would cover his weaknesses.
With Anaheim, we're not starting a rebuild. We're in the middle of a rebuild that's waiting on their blue line to mature. Fantilli will be added to three talented forwards in Zegras, McTavish, and Terry - where Zegras and McTavish have established their talents as playmaker centers at the NHL level. Fantilli will add much needed bite, speed, and goal scoring in Anaheim's top-6.
For comparison, here's Carlsson's score card:
A couple of interesting bits when comparing the cards: 1) Carlsson is the superior OZ Retrievals/60 player and 2) Carlsson is the better Boards to Middle Plays/60. I would have thought Fantilli would have been the better OZ retrieval player/60 due to his speed. This can have reasoned due to different roles played, Fantilli playing center at Michigan and Leo playing wing with Orebro.
These score cards reflect what Asst GM Madden summarized between the two players in his recent interview:
How would you describe the play styles of Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson and Will Smith?
MM: Fantilli is a fast-paced, straight line, skilled forward. Carlsson is an intelligent, creative big man who is imposing and competitive. Smith is a creative, fast, elusive and dynamic forward.
Good player who could/should be a second round target.
I don't think it's as difficult a decision as people are speculating, I think people just want something to speculate on.
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