Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I've actually been more impressed with Fantilli at the WC than Carlsson, but that's just me. I'd be OK if Carlsson was the pick because I know that the scouting staff will have done their homework on both players, but Fantilli seems like the player with the higher ceilling to my eyes and a better fit for the Ducks and the NHL. He also had a historic year in the NCAA as a freshman which is about as impressive as it gets.

The production wasnt there for fantilli... but hes looked pretty good all things considered.

I dont think his WC made me think less of him at all, if anything its made me take him over carlsson more comfortably

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I just hope they don't make the decision based on a meaningless tournament like the Habs did with Slafkovsky. It's not the Olympics or World Juniors or Stanley Cup Playoffs.

 

[lwvs84]

Whoever the pick is, I hope Verbeek goes with who the scouts say will be better long term and doesn't just pick the player that he thinks looks better today.

 

[ADHB]

I just hope they don't make the decision based on a meaningless tournament like the Habs did with Slafkovsky. It's not the Olympics or World Juniors or Stanley Cup Playoffs.

I don’t think it’s entirely meaningless, but yeah… a 2 week tournament should never negate an entire year’s worth of scouting.

 

[GermanRocket7]

Are people now really trying to undersell Fantilli? Guy is playing on the worst roster Canada has assembled in years, under a coach that apparently does not know how to utilize his players properly and still manages to get some assists and showing way more positives in every game than negatives, including being heads and shoulders above every other player on his team expect maybe McKenzie Weegar - and yet here we are, talking down the tournament Fantilli has had so far, as an 18-year old, with some of the biggest plugs Canada ever iced at this event as his most common line mates. People really need to stop overanalyzing every little nuance and take the grand picture for perspective.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Are people now really trying to undersell Fantilli? Guy is playing on the worst roster Canada has assembled in years, under a coach that apparently does not know how to utilize his players properly and still manages to get some assists and showing way more positives in every game than negatives, including being heads and shoulders above every other player on his team expect maybe McKenzie Weegar - and yet here we are, talking down the tournament Fantilli has had so far, as an 18-year old, with some of the biggest plugs Canada ever iced at this event as his most common line mates. People really need to stop overanalyzing every little nuance and take the grand picture for perspective.

Ding ding ding

 

[Leonardo87]

Are people now really trying to undersell Fantilli? Guy is playing on the worst roster Canada has assembled in years, under a coach that apparently does not know how to utilize his players properly and still manages to get some assists and showing way more positives in every game than negatives, including being heads and shoulders above every other player on his team expect maybe McKenzie Weegar - and yet here we are, talking down the tournament Fantilli has had so far, as an 18-year old, with some of the biggest plugs Canada ever iced at this event as his most common line mates. People really need to stop overanalyzing every little nuance and take the grand picture for perspective.

Points/production were the least of my concerns. I wanted to see how an 18 yo kid can play against men. He has looked very good and doesn’t look out of place at all. It is very reassuring that he should be able to go pro this upcoming season. No reason for him to go back to college, especially since he is projected to be even better than Eichel or at least the same level.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Points/production were the least of my concerns. I wanted to see how an 18 yo kid can play against men. He has looked very good and doesn’t look out of place at all. It is very reassuring that he should be able to go pro this upcoming season. No reason for him to go back to college, especially since he is projected to be even better than Eichel or at least the same level.

Plus it should almost go without saying that he'd have at least a bit more production on the board with better usage. If you give him top six minutes and two of Toffoli, Laughton, Krebs, Glass, Quinn, Veleno - he would undoubtedly be putting up more points.

 

[Reveille1984]

Are people now really trying to undersell Fantilli? Guy is playing on the worst roster Canada has assembled in years, under a coach that apparently does not know how to utilize his players properly and still manages to get some assists and showing way more positives in every game than negatives, including being heads and shoulders above every other player on his team expect maybe McKenzie Weegar - and yet here we are, talking down the tournament Fantilli has had so far, as an 18-year old, with some of the biggest plugs Canada ever iced at this event as his most common line mates. People really need to stop overanalyzing every little nuance and take the grand picture for perspective.

I think people just want to look at a quick statline and equate that to value, but yeah. The rosters and differences in linemates between Fantilli and Carlsson were always going to be a factor.

Outside of Fantilli completely shitting the bed and Carlsson going on some monumental tear, nothing that happened in this tournament was really going to make that much of a difference in terms of player value. If we end up drafting Carlsson, Madden and Verbeek probably already preferred him for whatever reason.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

2023 NHL Draft: The top 15 overage prospects

These 15 players deserve another look at the draft table this year.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I think people just want to look at a quick statline and equate that to value, but yeah. The rosters and differences in linemates between Fantilli and Carlsson were always going to be a factor.

Outside of Fantilli completely shitting the bed and Carlsson going on some monumental tear, nothing that happened in this tournament was really going to make that much of a difference in terms of player value. If we end up drafting Carlsson, Madden and Verbeek probably already preferred him for whatever reason.

I hope that is the reason if they go with Carlsson. I hope its because they already preferred him and not because of a small tournament like how it was with Habs with Slafkovsky.

 

[Masch78]

2023 NHL Draft: The top 15 overage prospects

These 15 players deserve another look at the draft table this year.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

I really have no clue why Milic was not worth a 6th or 7th rounder last year. Gajan as well. Instead - especially we - go with big but questionable guys so often. I'd really love to see the Ducks going out with two goalies this year where one is Milic (3rd, 4th or 5th round) and one of Gajan or Fowler. But I doubt we will.

This will make us having Alexander, Clang, Buteyets, Milic and Gajan/Fowler. A good fundament imho.

 

[Gliff]

How Strong is the 2023 NHL Draft Class?

A Historical Comparison of This Years Top Prospects

chacemccallum.substack.com

Someone posted this on Reddit and it was an interesting read.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I feel like we need to eventually aim some discussion at our other picks. 6 in the top 88 yes number 2 is critical but we need some hits elsewhere especially at forward

 

[Kalv]

This is a bit tongue-in-cheek and I'm mostly talking out of emotion, Carlsson is a phenomenal prospect and will do a lot of damage in the NHL. But here's the "two-way-center" Carlsson losing the puck in a simple battle that led to one of the most historic Latvian goals ever.



He is super skilled offensively, with all the physical attributes and soft hands, I think his incredible hockey IQ is his most impressive attribute, actually. But whenever I'm comparing him to Fantilli, I am left with a feeling that Carlsson lacks intensity. In Burke's words, he cannot spell intense (it's not that bad with Carlsson tho, but to me, he lacks in that area). I have still not seen evidence of him being the "two way center" that some are saying he is (feels like they say it only because he's big) – to me he is mostly offensive specialist, that is not a liability at his own end. And he's losing quite a few battles to smaller players (albeit he's still 18, I don't think the effort is always there).

Fantilli has lost puck battles as well, but he is making opposing life difficult in so many other ways. Fantilli is still my pick, but, really, Carlsson is incredible as well. Just a different type of player.

 

[Leonardo87]

How Strong is the 2023 NHL Draft Class?

A Historical Comparison of This Years Top Prospects

chacemccallum.substack.com

Someone posted this on Reddit and it was an interesting read.

This stood out the most for me…

So altogether how strong is the 2023 NHL draft class? That depends on where your team is picking. Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli and Carlsson could all be first overall picks on their own, so it’s a great year to be bad.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I feel like we need to eventually aim some discussion at our other picks. 6 in the top 88 yes number 2 is critical but we need some hits elsewhere especially at forward

Ding ding ding with GM PV picking fantilli at #2… i whole heartedly agree. Let’s move on people

 

[Mr Rogers]

This is a bit tongue-in-cheek and I'm mostly talking out of emotion, Carlsson is a phenomenal prospect and will do a lot of damage in the NHL. But here's the "two-way-center" Carlsson losing the puck in a simple battle that led to one of the most historic Latvian goals ever.



He is super skilled offensively, with all the physical attributes and soft hands, I think his incredible hockey IQ is his most impressive attribute, actually. But whenever I'm comparing him to Fantilli, I am left with a feeling that Carlsson lacks intensity. In Burke's words, he cannot spell intense (it's not that bad with Carlsson tho, but to me, he lacks in that area). I have still not seen evidence of him being the "two way center" that some are saying he is (feels like they say it only because he's big) – to me he is mostly offensive specialist, that is not a liability at his own end. And he's losing quite a few battles to smaller players (albeit he's still 18, I don't think the effort is always there).

Fantilli has lost puck battles as well, but he is making opposing life difficult in so many other ways. Fantilli is still my pick, but, really, Carlsson is incredible as well. Just a different type of player.

I think that’s a good observation of Carlsson, it’s something I’ve wondered about as well. We don’t want a Ryan Johansen on our hands.

 

[Kalv]

I feel like we need to eventually aim some discussion at our other picks. 6 in the top 88 yes number 2 is critical but we need some hits elsewhere especially at forward

I'm pretty sure we're taking a goalie with one of them

I think that’s a good observation of Carlsson, it’s something I’ve wondered about as well. We don’t want a Ryan Johansen on our hands.

He is fantastic. Just with the current choice, I'd prefer Fantilli, let's put it like that. Anyone getting Carlsson, even if it ends up being us, should not be sad, lol.

 

[tomd]

McKenzie's final rankings will be very interesting. I'm guessing that Carlsson sneaks into the #2 spot by a whisker.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

How Strong is the 2023 NHL Draft Class?

A Historical Comparison of This Years Top Prospects

chacemccallum.substack.com

Someone posted this on Reddit and it was an interesting read.

I get the excitement of NHLe, but with that much data research, I wished the author would actually take it one extra step and compare the NHLe with actual production into the NHL. All of the statements are based upon "expectations" as opposed to the production to the NHL level. The conclusion that only the top-15 picks in the 2023 draft is where all the talent lies and then significant drop off. 2021 already has surprises at 23rd with Wyatt Johnson and at 60th with D Moser. The 2022 class has 23rd Snuggerud and 28th with Kulich.

 

[ScarTroy]

This is a bit tongue-in-cheek and I'm mostly talking out of emotion, Carlsson is a phenomenal prospect and will do a lot of damage in the NHL. But here's the "two-way-center" Carlsson losing the puck in a simple battle that led to one of the most historic Latvian goals ever.



He is super skilled offensively, with all the physical attributes and soft hands, I think his incredible hockey IQ is his most impressive attribute, actually. But whenever I'm comparing him to Fantilli, I am left with a feeling that Carlsson lacks intensity. In Burke's words, he cannot spell intense (it's not that bad with Carlsson tho, but to me, he lacks in that area). I have still not seen evidence of him being the "two way center" that some are saying he is (feels like they say it only because he's big) – to me he is mostly offensive specialist, that is not a liability at his own end. And he's losing quite a few battles to smaller players (albeit he's still 18, I don't think the effort is always there).

Fantilli has lost puck battles as well, but he is making opposing life difficult in so many other ways. Fantilli is still my pick, but, really, Carlsson is incredible as well. Just a different type of player.

Yeah when I watched that live as soon as they went the other way I knew that’s the type of play Latvia would score on. Carlsson definitely would want that one back, but man, #17 got absolutely walked there.

 

[gunnergunther]

From the games I’ve watched fantilli loses a lot of pucks for no reason. I guess you can make the excuse of lack of chemistry with his teammates, but a lot of the turnovers do scream lower iq. Like can he really not slow the game down? I guess he’s just 18 as well but I don’t see the player many are describing in these games, I’m often left wondering what game are they watching?

 

[Mr Rogers]

From the games I’ve watched fantilli loses a lot of pucks for no reason. I guess you can make the excuse of lack of chemistry with his teammates, but a lot of the turnovers do scream lower iq. Like can he really not slow the game down? I guess he’s just 18 as well but I don’t see the player many are describing in these games, I’m often left wondering what game are they watching?

that could be a sign of nerves as well. I think honestly we won't be able to conclude a whole lot from this tournament, although it would've been nice if he put up a few more points.

 

[nbducksfan19]

From the games I’ve watched fantilli loses a lot of pucks for no reason. I guess you can make the excuse of lack of chemistry with his teammates, but a lot of the turnovers do scream lower iq. Like can he really not slow the game down? I guess he’s just 18 as well but I don’t see the player many are describing in these games, I’m often left wondering what game are they watching?

Completely agree.