Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)

[70sSanO]

Just wondering.

Compared to McTavish what more does Carlsson bring?

John

 

[tomd]

Just wondering.

Compared to McTavish what more does Carlsson bring?

John

Very different players IMO. McTavish is more like a Horvat...shoot first and I think he'll be much more physical as he matures. Carlsson is much smoother and cerebral...I'm not sure I'd say pass first but more balanced between pass and shoot. Kopitar is my best comparable offensively.

 

[AngelDuck]

I completely disagree that Carlsson is a better two way player than Fantilli.

If anything, you draft Leo because you believe the offensive upside is higher

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I completely disagree that Carlsson is a better two way player than Fantilli.

If anything, you draft Leo because you believe the offensive upside is higher

Pretty much that, in terms of points you would envision that Carlsson puts up higher total of points.

 

[tomd]

I completely disagree that Carlsson is a better two way player than Fantilli.

If anything, you draft Leo because you believe the offensive upside is higher

This is exactly correct. And the difficult task for the Ducks is to look at both players today and envision what they'll become in 3-5-7-10 years. I don't envy them. I think Carlsson is just scratching the surface of his talent. Meanwhile, Fantilli has all the skills in the world but how much more will he develop? I honestly don't know who I'd pick between the two of them at this point. So so close.

 

[DavidBL]

This may be an odd opinion but I thinkni probably would have preferred seeing the two against players their own age rather than adults. While I admit playing against men gives us a glimpse of how NHL ready they are I feel like against guys their own age you might see Carlsson offensive upside more.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

So what becomes of either Fantilli or Carlsson next season? Stick with the Ducks? Return to his current team? AHL (I think each is eligible)?

Interesting that some of you think Carlsson is still a possibility. I had just assumed that Fantilli was a lock for 2OA.

 

[tomd]

This may be an odd opinion but I thinkni probably would have preferred seeing the two against players their own age rather than adults. While I admit playing against men gives us a glimpse of how NHL ready they are I feel like against guys their own age you might see Carlsson offensive upside more.

Best comparable against their own ages was the U20 tournament. Carlsson was 3-3-6 in 7 games and Fantilli was 2-3-5 in 7 games.

So what becomes of either Fantilli or Carlsson next season? Stick with the Ducks? Return to his current team? AHL (I think each is eligible)?

Interesting that some of you think Carlsson is still a possibility. I had just assumed that Fantilli was a lock for 2OA.

I personally don't think either of them should be playing in the NHL next year but opinions vary. Carlsson worked his way into the conversation over the past week or so but Fantilli is still the betting favorite.

 

[Kalv]

From the games I’ve watched fantilli loses a lot of pucks for no reason. I guess you can make the excuse of lack of chemistry with his teammates, but a lot of the turnovers do scream lower iq. Like can he really not slow the game down? I guess he’s just 18 as well but I don’t see the player many are describing in these games, I’m often left wondering what game are they watching?

Seeing him live 3 times and then also seeing other games on TV, I agree. That area would need to be improved for sure, he just seems to he alergic to cut down a bit and slow the game down to make the best decision.

He's still my favorite but this does concern me. We have 2 more games to watch him this tournament and I'm waiting for EP draft guite on 5th of May to keep evaluating him

 

[91Fedorov]

Ok, Fantilli hasn't put up 2 points per game in this tournament. I'm officially off the bandwagon. Perreault at #2 overall. These guys that everyone agrees are great will only disappoint.

We need to start drafting like the Raiders. Gut feelings from old men that are light headed from taking too much Viagra!

 

[forever1922]

Seeing him live 3 times and then also seeing other games on TV, I agree. That area would need to be improved for sure, he just seems to he alergic to cut down a bit and slow the game down to make the best decision.

He's still my favorite but this does concern me. We have 2 more games to watch him this tournament and I'm waiting for EP draft guite on 5th of May to keep evaluating him

He does manage to look for options when he's transitioning, but when he receives the puck he does take the rush decision every time. There could be many factors influencing him under these conditions, bigger players, faster pace, does he see the options, are his linemates open. Maybe the only place to find the answers to wether or not it's going to be an issue is his NCAA games, when he is comfortable with the pace, and in charge, does he do those things?

I'm going to guess he had ample time in NCAA to find the best plays, just from the points he piled up. But sometimes that was the scouts' criticism of his game. None demoted him from #2-3 projection because of it however.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

Still being positive but *shocker* I think the gap between Bedard and Fantilli is way more than everyone tried to lead on, I would still take Fantilli. Carlsson is the safer play and I think points aside which means next to nothing in this tourney, for anyone that’s watched he’s shown that he’s maybe a more mature player at this stage, and there are some legit concerns about Fantilli’s franticness and IQ. But at the same time, Fantilli hasn’t been bad and some players just aren’t meant for short tournament play to excel - especially rookies that rely on speed paired with Lucic in limited minutes. And on the 2nd big lottery we’ve lost let’s not go for the safe play, let’s gamble on the big prize boys. The tools and no toolbox guys, I get it - but he’s so young, showing great coachability traits, and sometimes you just have to put your nads on the table and go for glory. #Ducksforever

 

[Dryish]

I have no horse in this race, and barring the Finland game I haven't watched a single game that Canada has played (just some highlights on occasion), but it strikes me as odd to say that Fantilli has a problem with too high a game speed and bad reads.

I've seen footage and I can tell what people mean by that, but to me that looks more like putting a Lambo in a group of 30-year-old Ford Fiestas and complaining that the Lambo driver doesn't know how to coordinate checking in at your roadtrip accommodations properly because he arrives at the location three hours earlier than everybody else and gets all they keys from the reception. Put him on a line with guys who are attuned to playing at high speeds and making reads other people don't and he'll, in all likelihood, score.

Sure, that means that, at least right now, he's not going to elevate the entire roster into a cup contender the moment he's put in the lineup, but barring McDavid, Crosby, and maybe Bedard (if even) there's barely anybody who does that.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I have no horse in this race, and barring the Finland game I haven't watched a single game that Canada has played (just some highlights on occasion), but it strikes me as odd to say that Fantilli has a problem with too high a game speed and bad reads.

I've seen footage and I can tell what people mean by that, but to me that looks more like putting a Lambo in a group of 30-year-old Ford Fiestas and complaining that the Lambo driver doesn't know how to coordinate checking in at your roadtrip accommodations properly because he arrives at the location three hours earlier than everybody else and gets all they keys from the reception. Put him on a line with guys who are attuned to playing at high speeds and making reads other people don't and he'll, in all likelihood, score.

Sure, that means that, at least right now, he's not going to elevate the entire roster into a cup contender the moment he's put in the lineup, but barring McDavid, Crosby, and maybe Bedard (if even) there's barely anybody who does that.

Pretty much those are the only kind of players who can carry a 4th line as a 18 yearold into scoring against grown men/NHL veterans. Placing Fantilli with Lucic is like putting Carlsson with Silfverberg on a 4th line. Lucic on his line is like having a 200 pound iron ball chained to his legs, its a lot of weight to carry.

 

[nbducksfan19]

I have no horse in this race, and barring the Finland game I haven't watched a single game that Canada has played (just some highlights on occasion), but it strikes me as odd to say that Fantilli has a problem with too high a game speed and bad reads.

I've seen footage and I can tell what people mean by that, but to me that looks more like putting a Lambo in a group of 30-year-old Ford Fiestas and complaining that the Lambo driver doesn't know how to coordinate checking in at your roadtrip accommodations properly because he arrives at the location three hours earlier than everybody else and gets all they keys from the reception. Put him on a line with guys who are attuned to playing at high speeds and making reads other people don't and he'll, in all likelihood, score.

Sure, that means that, at least right now, he's not going to elevate the entire roster into a cup contender the moment he's put in the lineup, but barring McDavid, Crosby, and maybe Bedard (if even) there's barely anybody who does that.

I think this is too simplistic and not entirely accurate. Could he perform better with players who play to his speed, probably, but a big part of having elite offense/hockey IQ is knowing when to change pace to open up space and how to use teammates and move with/whiteout the puck to force the defense to make tough decisions. I just don’t think he is strong in that area (yet?), regardless of his line mates.

 

[tomd]

Fantilli saving his best for last it appears. You get the feeling with Fantilli that if his head catches up with his skills he could lead this tournament in scoring in a year or two. Tantalizing prospect.

 

[Rooch]

We need to start drafting like the Raiders. Gut feelings from old men that are light headed from taking too much Viagra!

If the Ducks draft Clelin Ferrell with #2 OA, we riot.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Fantilli saving his best for last it appears. You get the feeling with Fantilli that if his head catches up with his skills he could lead this tournament in scoring in a year or two. Tantalizing prospect.

Completely agree. My only reservation with Fantilli as a prospect is that the imo “head” part is the hardest to develop in a meaningful way. There are many examples of players who improved skating, shoot, got stronger ect, to make a big jump, but not a lot that all of a sudden became cerebrally elite.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I guess I’m not seeing the hockey IQ as having a dampening effect on his production this tournament. It looked to me like he has just lost control of the puck at a few critical moments

 

[AngelDuck]

He has a solid IQ, he just doesn’t slow the game down like some people think every high hockey IQ player should.

He’s going to make his money attacking defenders one on one and getting to the slot to use his shot

 

[The Duck Knight]

The more I see the more I think the Mackinnon comparison fits. Nate was good when he came into the league but it took him a few years to not just want to go 100 MPH and steamroll people all the time. I think there's going to be a similar adjustment curve with Fantilli. I think he'll put up 40-50 points for a couple years and people are going to question the pick but then he'll explode production wise once he figures out what works.

 

[tomd]

Completely agree. My only reservation with Fantilli as a prospect is that the imo “head” part is the hardest to develop in a meaningful way. There are many examples of players who improved skating, shoot, got stronger ect, to make a big jump, but not a lot that all of a sudden became cerebrally elite.

Yeah, just want to emphasize that the "head" part to me is just adapting to the higher level of competition. As others have said, I think his hockey IQ is fine and might even be excellent with more experience. Carlsson is ahead of him in the level of competition area b/c he's been playing against men for most of the past year.

After watching the Memorial Cup game last night, I was thinking how Fantilli would look against that level of competition. I think he'd be destroying it and comparisons to Bedard would be out there. As much as I really think Carlsson is going to be a great player, I think the Ducks will and should go for Fantilli. This is a nice year to be wrong about that though

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Best comparable against their own ages was the U20 tournament. Carlsson was 3-3-6 in 7 games and Fantilli was 2-3-5 in 7 games.


I personally don't think either of them should be playing in the NHL next year but opinions vary. Carlsson worked his way into the conversation over the past week or so but Fantilli is still the betting favorite.

Some context is needed here.

Carlsson's 6 points in 7 games at the WJC-20 ranked 3rd in team Sweden scoring. Fantilli's 5 points in 7 games at the WJC-20 ranked 9th in team Canada scoring.

I agree that both of them need an extra year at their respective programs, especially if Fantilli wants to play that physical game at top-6 TOI. That extra year of body development at an NCAA program can make him handle the heavy rigors of constant physical play in the NHL Verbeek said he would rather have prospects overripen.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

 

[Kalv]

The more I see the more I think the Mackinnon comparison fits. Nate was good when he came into the league but it took him a few years to not just want to go 100 MPH and steamroll people all the time. I think there's going to be a similar adjustment curve with Fantilli. I think he'll put up 40-50 points for a couple years and people are going to question the pick but then he'll explode production wise once he figures out what works.

Players are very often making that big step around 22-23 year old seasons. Happens to everybody, they enter some sort of their physical prime.

But yeah, if Fantilli plays next year I'm pretty sure he will not wolin the Calder but whatevs, he's the player I want at this point.