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I Eat Crow said:
Consider me still sus about the Astros. Was Yordan Alvarez always a man child or did he bulk up when he became Astros property? There's also the issue of Jeremy Pena falling out of the blue sky out of nowhere for them. Falling into shit by losing Correa and Brantley, and come out of it smelling like roses.
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What gets me is the bullpen.

I cannot put into words how much of a nobody Rafael Montero is, and he turns into Dennis Eckersley at age 31.
 
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Machinehead said:
What?????

Eckersley was an all-star at 22 and was an elite pitcher for just about two decades.

2022 was Montero's first full stick-around MLB season at 31.
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Eckersley became a closer when he was 32, which was easily the better half of his career, minus a couple seasons earlier on in his career.
 
Machinehead said:
What?????

Eckersley was an all-star at 22 and was an elite pitcher for just about two decades.

2022 was Montero's first full stick-around MLB season at 31.
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Eck won 20 games once at a time every team (except the Mets) had a 20 game winner or 2 (He didn't even make the all star team that year) but was mostly mediocre once he turned 25. You don't turn elite starters into closers. He only became an elite pitcher after he became a closer. He won CY and MVP awards as a closer when he was 37.
 
sbjnyc said:
Eck won 20 games once at a time every team (except the Mets) had a 20 game winner or 2 (He didn't even make the all star team that year) but was mostly mediocre once he turned 25. You don't turn elite starters into closers. He only became a dominant closer when he turned 33. He won CY and MVP awards as a closer when he was 37.
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He had an ERA below 4 eight times before he turned 33. He was never not a very solid pitcher at the very least. He had a late breakout, compared to his early career, that much is true, but that's a thing that happens.

The Astros are getting honest to God Triple-A players to break out in their 30's.
 
Machinehead said:
He had an ERA below 4 eight times before he turned 33. He was never not a very solid pitcher at the very least. He had a late breakout, compared to his early career, that much is true, but that's a thing that happens.

The Astros are getting honest to God Triple-A players to break out in their 30's.
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Well I was whining about Monterro being good on the Astros upthread so I hear you on that but thinking a pitcher is elite because his ERA was below 4 is crazy talk. Here is Eck's ERA+ from age 25 to when he earned his CY and MVP.

(age 25) 99 91 116 78 110 83 128 129 88 137 163 603 130 195 (age 37)

So to me that looks like he was pretty average until he became a closer. But look at you using ERA instead of more advanced stats. :)
 
I’m not going back and reading everything but I see Eckersley being discussed and I saw his entire career and I could tell you he was a excellent starting pitcher especially 1978 when the Red Sox collapsed. He was a strange pitcher - who had two careers and reinvented itself as a finesse closer. Oakland always had great pitching and I’m sure Tony La Russa had a lot to do with it.
He was Mariano like - had a great look too with the hair and attitude.
He was also a raging alcoholic and that killed his career as a starter.
 
Kocur26 said:
I’m not going back and reading everything but I see Eckersley being discussed and I saw his entire career and I could tell you he was a excellent starting pitcher especially 1978 when the Red Sox collapsed. He was a strange pitcher - who had two careers and reinvented itself as a finesse closer. Oakland always had great pitching and I’m sure Tony La Russa had a lot to do with it.
He was Mariano like - had a great look too with the hair and attitude.
He was also a raging alcoholic and that killed his career as a starter.
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IMO Smoltz was the better starter and Eckersley was the better reliever, at least for their respective times.
 
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sbjnyc said:
Well I was whining about Monterro being good on the Astros upthread so I hear you on that but thinking a pitcher is elite because his ERA was below 4 is crazy talk. Here is Eck's ERA+ from age 25 to when he earned his CY and MVP.

(age 25) 99 91 116 78 110 83 128 129 88 137 163 603 130 195 (age 37)

So to me that looks like he was pretty average until he became a closer. But look at you using ERA instead of more advanced stats. :)
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Montero wasn't putting up those numbers in the minors.

How good Eck was is a pointless argument.

My point is Montero is on the spider tack.
 
Machinehead said:
Montero wasn't putting up those numbers in the minors.

How good Eck was is a pointless argument.

My point is Montero is on the spider tack.
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Aren't they specifically looking for this now every inning? Only Cole is the moron following the rules, like me sitting in traffic in the exit lane while all the assholes cut in last second
 
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sbjnyc said:
IMO Smoltz was the better starter and Eckersley was the better reliever, at least for their respective times.
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Smoltz was the better pitcher period .

Hmmmm…..
Is Pablo Lopez again on the Yankees’ radar?
According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, Miami pitcher Pablo Lopez is the "biggest name" that has been reportedly available for trade so far. The New York #Yankees almost got him last season before the deal fell through. There are rumors in the insiders' circle that the Yankees may make an attempt to bring him to Yankees Stadium in pinstripes next season.

In 2022, the 26-year-old right-hander won 10 games and made 32 starts, both of Will Yankees do a Torres-Pablo Lopez trade with Marlins? #repbx

I love this ;

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Yankees interested in Japan’s Masataka Yoshida as Aaron Judge complement

Masataka Yoshida would fit the Yankees as he is a left-handed hitter and the type of contact hitter they prefer.
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I like Rizzo, he’s a pro that has won something. Also should help with the shift rules next season.

You just have to accept he will miss 3 weeks every season with a back injury.
 
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Machinehead said:
I think their time would be better spent investigating why 31 year old bums off the street go to Houston and become Trevor Hoffman, but that's just my opinion.
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The funny thing about this is I don't think Montero was necessarily doing anything sketchy. His stuff has always been pretty good, he just didn't know how to utilize it.

Like for all the illegal shit Houston does, they also do the legal shit really well (which if I had to guess, is what happened with Montero.) If you want to point fingers at their sketch factor, I'd point at the 39 year old who was coming off of TJ and just won the Cy Young. That one doesn't pass the smell test at all.
 
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The funny thing about this is I don't think Montero was necessarily doing anything sketchy. His stuff has always been pretty good, he just didn't know how to utilize it.

Like for all the illegal shit Houston does, they also do the legal shit really well (which if I had to guess, is what happened with Montero.) If you want to point fingers at their sketch factor, I'd point at the 39 year old who was coming off of TJ and just won the Cy Young. That one doesn't pass the smell test at all.
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He's gotta be on PED's. There's no way you end up that ugly without having something in your system.
 
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