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Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

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Machinehead said:
I actually haven't looked at Byram in awhile, just wanna get an idea.

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Yeah, sure, I guess. I mean, I like the offense. I'll die on the hill that Fox's ideal partner is a puck mover.

He's not overly small either.

23, maybe there's growth there.

I'd take a flier on it depending on the deal.
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He's got 3 (4?) concussions in the bank.

He was f***ing awesome when he got bumped up to top 4 duty for Colorado during their run post Girard injury so there is that but he's sort of been living off of that reputation. His actual on ice play since has been spotty at best and he's yet to play a full slate worth of games in any given season (hes on pace to do that this year.)

Can legitimately put the puck in the net though so there is that but the risk is probably not worth the price.
 
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I'd way prefer Power to Byram. Not that it's likely Buffalo would give him up. I'd drive Lafreniere to airport in a Power deal, Schneider too.

will1066 said:
I'm hearing on the wire that Zibanejad was about to give his kid the bottle but faked a high leg kick and tossed it over to his wife, which promptly caused her to yell, "do you have to bring work home?"
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Sam voice:

"And.. he missed!"
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
He's got 3 (4?) concussions in the bank.

He was f***ing awesome when he got bumped up to top 4 duty for Colorado during their run post Girard injury so there is that but he's sort of been living off of that reputation. His actual on ice play since has been spotty at best and he's yet to play a full slate worth of games in any given season (hes on pace to do that this year.)

Can legitimately put the puck in the net though so there is that but the risk is probably not worth the price.
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He played 73 last year, is that not close enough? Every game so far this year. He also was traded last year, so one or two of the games he missed may not have even been due to health. He’s had 3, but no head issues since ‘21. He missed time after that due to a pair of lower body injuries. He’s talked about the head injuries in his first season and a half pretty extensively.
 
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ReleasO The KakkO said:
Fk me. I had checked PuckPedia after seeing him score his millionth goal tonite, which said he is in the final of a 3-year entry deal and is a current RFA.

Puck F*ckPedia I guess.
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They extended him, kicks in next year. Great AAV too. 7.14M

Meanwhile Lafren-big league chew is at 7.45 for a a single 57 point season in 5 years. Guenther is in his D+3 (when Laf had 39 points in 81 games) and has 43 in 47 games. He has 78 in his last 92 (not counting tonight).
 
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ReleasO The KakkO said:
Fk me. I had checked PuckPedia after seeing him score his millionth goal tonite, which said he is in the final of a 3-year entry deal and is a current RFA.

Puck F*ckPedia I guess.
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I had the same issue a while back, very annoying.
You need to check the filter and ensure that the 'next contract signed' option in contract details is set as 'no', then it gets rid of anyone who resigned during the season.
Should be set by default IMO
 
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Would Mario Ferraro to the Rangers be a good fit for thr deadline and to replace Ryan Lindgren down the road? 3.25 cap hit for next season and only 26 now
 
The NYR actually have gotten team friendly deals due to the NMC. At the time Zibanejad signed, 8.5M was a good deal for the team. He put up 41 G in 57 games, 50 points in 56 and then was PPG 81 in 81, was 28 years old, dynamic, and whispered about some Selke votes. He took a discount.

Shesterkin also took a discount. Argue the contract all you want but there were teams who wanted to give him $13M+ with the rising cap.

Fox took a team friendly deal too. Easily could have demanded 4-5 years but signed longer. His cap hit will be less than 10% of the cap in 25-26.

Panarin was a UFA mercenary who was paid market value but still rejected a higher offer from the islanders.

Miller was acquired with the NMC, but at $8M, is on a bargain contract for what he brings.

Trocheck and Kreider on a lesssr tier got partial NMC. They turn into limited NTC which is the par for the course for top 6 UFA deals. Trocheck is underpaid by about 2-3M per year and Kreider too. Remember Anders Lee got 7x7 and Kreider signed for 6.5
 
LokiDog said:
He played 73 last year, is that not close enough? Every game so far this year. He also was traded last year, so one or two of the games he missed may not have even been due to health. He’s had 3, but no head issues since ‘21. He missed time after that due to a pair of lower body injuries. He’s talked about the head injuries in his first season and a half pretty extensively.
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All 9 games he missed last year were as part of the Avalanche (he got traded after they played their 64th game, he played 55.)

He's missed a ton of time in his young career. The head stuff is the most worrisome (especially with how tough his experience was with it) and I'll always say it, if you're getting hurt this much in your early 20's, it isn't likely to get any better as you get older. He had a LBI (high ankle sprain?) that kept him out for nearly half a season too. Thats a shit load of dev time missed and it's clearly had an impact.

I like the goal scoring but there are plenty of moments in his game that look like this:

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Hall stretches the lead | NHL.com

Taylor Hall gets the beautiful pass from Jack Roslovic, then burries it from out in front past James Reimer to put the Hurricanes up 4-1 in the 2nd period
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I can't even make sense of his thought process here other than he was sick of sharing oxygen with everyone else on the ice so he decided to go into a space where he could have it all to himself. This isn't a one off with him either, he does shit like this all the time and its a big reason why Colorado let him go to begin with (the misplay by Power isn't lost on me here, but that doesn't excuse what ever the f*** that was from Byram.)

If I'm making a trade for a top 4 D, I want a guy who is driving the results on his pair, not someone who can just exist with an elite player and be okay. Why settle?

TheDirtyH said:
I'd way prefer Power to Byram. Not that it's likely Buffalo would give him up. I'd drive Lafreniere to airport in a Power deal, Schneider too.
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He's a project.

You really need a coaching staff that is dialed into what they're doing with defensemen. This is not that place.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
All 9 games he missed last year were as part of the Avalanche (he got traded after they played their 64th game, he played 55.)

He's missed a ton of time in his young career. The head stuff is the most worrisome (especially with how tough his experience was with it) and I'll always say it, if you're getting hurt this much in your early 20's, it isn't likely to get any better as you get older. He had a LBI (high ankle sprain?) that kept him out for nearly half a season too. Thats a shit load of dev time missed and it's clearly had an impact.

I like the goal scoring but there are plenty of moments in his game that look like this:

www.nhl.com

Hall stretches the lead | NHL.com

Taylor Hall gets the beautiful pass from Jack Roslovic, then burries it from out in front past James Reimer to put the Hurricanes up 4-1 in the 2nd period
www.nhl.com www.nhl.com

I can't even make sense of his thought process here other than he was sick of sharing oxygen with everyone else on the ice so he decided to go into a space where he could have it all to himself. This isn't a one off with him either, he does shit like this all the time and its a big reason why Colorado let him go to begin with (the misplay by Power isn't lost on me here, but that doesn't excuse what ever the f*** that was from Byram.)

If I'm making a trade for a top 4 D, I want a guy who is driving the results on his pair, not someone who can just exist with an elite player and be okay. Why settle?



He's a project.

You really need a coaching staff that is dialed into what they're doing with defensemen. This is not that place.
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Because (if it were to happen) the price is relatively low and 23 is relatively young and the upside is relatively high. I feel like there’s little doubt he would do better beside Fox than Lindgren or Miller, and if he wasn’t the solution next to Fox, would at least form a fair second pairing with Borgen. The appeal of Byram is him being a buy low candidate with upside. Buffalo has two top 4 LHD locked up long term plus Samuelsson also locked up long term and Byram doesn’t seem to want to commit long term because 1) it’s Buffalo and he’s already won a Cup 2) he tracks to be behind Dahlin and Power no matter what he does. Two 1OA LHD on the roster isn’t a great situation for a 23yo LHD with clear top 4 upside.

Now, does our coaching suck? Yes. But is the upside clear and the potential to capitalize on a buy low moment there? I think so. If Byram’s not had concussion issues in 2.5+ years and managed 73 last year and plays 82 this year, I am willing to take that gamble. Even if it’s at the draft.
 
Atax said:
Being critical is fine. You comes across as obsessive and a bit weird. There are a bunch of others who criticize him without being going to this extreme. You do you though.
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Are you crazy? There are people here who have some really extreme views on this team. Blame everything on Lindgren and Mika. That's loony shits. Pointing out facts is not extreme. People here have their favorite players and they get mad when you point their flaws. The excuses for Fox are nauseating. It's never his fault. $9.5M player. He was been bad this season along with the rest of them. We can rip everyone else except for Fox. That's obsessive and a bit weird. Fox is supposed to be a big part of this team. His offensive production has dropped. The Rangers PP is now a middle of the pack unit. His D partner stinks. Blame everyone else.

We all listen to pods and comment on them. Never mention the pod criticizing Foxy. Maybe Adam needs to train harder in the summer. You're hating on him. The same things are said about Lafreniere and it becomes the narrative. Alexis is a lazy bum who spends him summer playing golf. Maybe he would work harder on his skating.

Stop making excuses for Fox and all of them. These are multi-million dollars players. They want the big bucks and responsibility comes with those paychecks.
 
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I was watching the Winnipeg TSN feed of the Jets-Nashville game. Their broadcast crew was mentioning the Jets don't have many Stanley Cup rings on their roster. There are times when that experience is needed in the playoffs. Reilly Smith has a Cup ring and played in numerous big games for Vegas.

Early this morning, I read EF's 32T column and he mentioned Winnipeg rounding out their roster at the deadline.

Winnipeg is a slightly different story. Cheveldayoff’s taken big swings before, and you can feel the excitement among the fanbase at the possibility of another. He has to navigate what’s available to him, and will undoubtedly research the sexiest options. But what if those are impossible, due to trade protection or lack of true supply?

I see another possible path. The most mobile, lengthy, physical, nasty defender he can find — fitting the profile of recent Stanley Cup champions who were loaded with them. One or two forwards to make your group a little deeper. Not the marquee names, but “perfect fits,” the sum of the parts making you whole.
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Does that defenseman exist for anyone? Send him to the Rangers. Lindgren is probably the best alternative. He competes hard and plays hard.

Smith and Lindgren to Winnipeg as a package deal. 1st round pick along with a few other picks. The Rangers can flip the pick for another signed player. Smith plays for another Cup.

Pierre LeBrun wrote this a sellers market. Drury should sell. Winnipeg picked Drury's pocket in the Copp deal. Time to turn the tables on the Jets. Winnipeg doesn't need retention. They will have $11.5M of space on 3/7. There was no retention in the Copp deal. The Rangers had crazy amounts of cap space in 2022. Drury could use his 3 retention spots on playing 3rd party broker or using a spot to retain on one of his players.
 
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LokiDog said:
Because (if it were to happen) the price is relatively low and 23 is relatively young and the upside is relatively high. I feel like there’s little doubt he would do better beside Fox than Lindgren or Miller, and if he wasn’t the solution next to Fox, would at least form a fair second pairing with Borgen. The appeal of Byram is him being a buy low candidate with upside. Buffalo has two top 4 LHD locked up long term plus Samuelsson also locked up long term and Byram doesn’t seem to want to commit long term because 1) it’s Buffalo and he’s already won a Cup 2) he tracks to be behind Dahlin and Power no matter what he does. Two 1OA LHD on the roster isn’t a great situation for a 23yo LHD with clear top 4 upside.

Now, does our coaching suck? Yes. But is the upside clear and the potential to capitalize on a buy low moment there? I think so. If Byram’s not had concussion issues in 2.5+ years and managed 73 last year and plays 82 this year, I am willing to take that gamble. Even if it’s at the draft.
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He’s going to make decent money on his next contract and will cost assets.

There are going to be better options available over the next year. I get the mindset that we don’t need a perfect or close to perfect option but I don’t think they should be taking a risk on a guy like this who has plenty of warts beyond the injuries.

He’s a clear upgrade over Lindgren. I have massive doubts that he’d be a perfect partner for Fox than Miller.

I want someone who is a clear upgrade over both.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
He's got 3 (4?) concussions in the bank.

He was f***ing awesome when he got bumped up to top 4 duty for Colorado during their run post Girard injury so there is that but he's sort of been living off of that reputation. His actual on ice play since has been spotty at best and he's yet to play a full slate worth of games in any given season (hes on pace to do that this year.)

Can legitimately put the puck in the net though so there is that but the risk is probably not worth the price.
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LokiDog said:
He played 73 last year, is that not close enough? Every game so far this year. He also was traded last year, so one or two of the games he missed may not have even been due to health. He’s had 3, but no head issues since ‘21. He missed time after that due to a pair of lower body injuries. He’s talked about the head injuries in his first season and a half pretty extensively.
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no complaint on player
but it can't be ignored that those earlier concus. were severe
this is a guy who totally delivers, and then one wrong hit and we're effed
sure that applies to all players, but much more so imo to those w/big ones early on

Ekblad and Juulsen have come back

w/all these guys the ? is what is the cost for us so we can live w/it worst case


jerseyjinx94 said:
The NYR actually have gotten team friendly deals due to the NMC. At the time Zibanejad signed, 8.5M was a good deal for the team. He put up 41 G in 57 games, 50 points in 56 and then was PPG 81 in 81, was 28 years old, dynamic, and whispered about some Selke votes. He took a discount.

Shesterkin also took a discount. Argue the contract all you want but there were teams who wanted to give him $13M+ with the rising cap.

Fox took a team friendly deal too. Easily could have demanded 4-5 years but signed longer. His cap hit will be less than 10% of the cap in 25-26.

Panarin was a UFA mercenary who was paid market value but still rejected a higher offer from the islanders.

Miller was acquired with the NMC, but at $8M, is on a bargain contract for what he brings.

Trocheck and Kreider on a lesssr tier got partial NMC. They turn into limited NTC which is the par for the course for top 6 UFA deals. Trocheck is underpaid by about 2-3M per year and Kreider too. Remember Anders Lee got 7x7 and Kreider signed for 6.5
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unconditionally no nmcs to anyone going forward, period
would rather pay more per and have at least some control
 
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RangerBoy said:
I was watching the Winnipeg TSN feed of the Jets-Nashville game. Their broadcast crew was mentioning the Jets don't have many Stanley Cup rings on their roster. There are times when that experience is needed in the playoffs. Reilly Smith has a Cup ring and played in numerous big games for Vegas.

Early this morning, I read EF's 32T column and he mentioned Winnipeg rounding out their roster at the deadline.





Does that defenseman exist for anyone? Send him to the Rangers. Lindgren is probably the best alternative. He competes hard and plays hard.

Smith and Lindgren to Winnipeg as a package deal. 1st round pick along with a few other picks. The Rangers can flip the pick for another signed player. Smith plays for another Cup.

Pierre LeBrun wrote this a sellers market. Drury should sell. Winnipeg picked Drury's pocket in the Copp deal. Time to turn the tables on the Jets. Winnipeg doesn't need retention. They will have $11.5M of space on 3/7. There was no retention in the Copp deal. The Rangers had crazy amounts of cap space in 2022. Drury could use his 3 retention spots on playing 3rd party broker or using a spot to retain on one of his players.
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Not a bad idea with Winnipeg

They would likely move Stanley and Gustavsson with a 1st . Maybe Lindgren , Vesey and Smith

Minnesota stinking lately so they may panic to try stay in it waiting on Kaprizov and Ek to return
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
He’s going to make decent money on his next contract and will cost assets.

There are going to be better options available over the next year. I get the mindset that we don’t need a perfect or close to perfect option but I don’t think they should be taking a risk on a guy like this who has plenty of warts beyond the injuries.

He’s a clear upgrade over Lindgren. I have massive doubts that he’d be a perfect partner for Fox than Miller.

I want someone who is a clear upgrade over both.
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I think this is where I am with Byram. I like the player. But I'm not going to like the collective cost. The days of RFA's taking less are pretty much over. Byram is going to get a long term deal that takes up UFA years (as he should) and he's going to get PAID. AFP has him projected at 7 years and $7.3m per season.

To put that in perspective, they have:
Gavrikov at 5 years and $5.4m
Orlov at 3 years and $5m

Again, I like the player and I like what he could bring but if you're asking me to trade Schneider + _________ for him and then give him a long term deal @ $7m+ that's a tougher sell when I really think there are some guys available in UFA that they could add for just money while keeping what few assets they have to begin with.
 
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