2023-24 Roster Thread #7: A shave and a haircut, two bits

[Curufinwe]

Marek show 28th min elliotte saying he wouldn't be surprised of they lock up tk

Would be a weird if a team who keeps saying they want to build from the D out and thru the middle ended up with $15m invested in two RWs going up to age 33 and 36.

 

[GKJ]

Just something I'm thinking with what we've seen today, what if Laughton or Hathaway were traded to Edmonton for Connor Brown-plus?

 

[wankstifier]

Hopefully these extensions mean that they're making choices on players. Tippett and Poehling stay while Konecny and Laughton go?

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Hopefully these extensions mean that they're making choices on players. Tippett and Poehling stay while Konecny and Laughton go?

Laughton yes. Konecny, no way.

 

[GKJ]

There's no chance Konecny is leaving unless someone else does something stupid, he is the franchise guy now. He might be getting the C.

 

[Striiker]

His recent revelation of an ongoing health issue sounded something like Crohn's or IBS, an ongoing problem confused with the flu or food poisoning. Hope he gets healthy.

I really hope it's not Hockey Canada related

Those two are significantly impacted by stress, so it could easily be both an ongoing health issue and the investigation at once.

 

[Magua]

Lol... who are they trading? Farabee?

Ellis' $6.25MM isn't even on LTIR right now. Petersen and TDA come off the books for $6.7MM by 25-26. Uhhh Hart's $4MM. Hathaway's $2.8MM. If Laughton is still here, I'd believe it, but that's $3MM. Atkinson will either be gone completely or bought out. Cates will be a curious one.

It's pretty easy to fit Konecny's raise. It's assuredly happening. Really all their RFAs (Foerster, Brink, Zamula) probably aren't crazy re-signs either. At most, you're probably seeing Drysdale and Frost and York get long-term deals.

 

[deadhead]

Ellis' $6.25MM isn't even on LTIR right now. Petersen and TDA come off the books for $6.7MM by 25-26. Uhhh Hart's $4MM. Hathaway's $2.8MM. If Laughton is still here, I'd believe it, but that's $3MM. Atkinson will either be gone completely or bought out. Cates will be a curious one.

It's pretty easy to fit Konecny's raise. It's assuredly happening. Really all their RFAs (Foerster, Brink, Zamula) probably aren't crazy re-signs either. At most, you're probably seeing Drysdale and Frost and York get long-term deals.

And Michkov is on an ELC in 2026, probably same with Bonk. The 3 1st rd picks the next two years won't even be on an ELC until 2026 or 2027 at the earliest. So you won't even need cap room until 2030+ unless you're planning to make a "Hamilton" move, overpay a 29 year old FA.

I think the Flyer brain trust would rather extend their own players, use up that extra cap room the next four to five years, instead of overpaying for older mercenaries when Michkov arrives. The one exception would be G if he's still playing well when his contract expires after next season.

 

[sauce88]

Pretty sure Kaprizov is a UFA the year Michkov can come over. That's the type of impact player I would like to see them go for as opposed to the Hayes types of the world.

 

[Larry44]

Those two are significantly impacted by stress, so it could easily be both an ongoing health issue and the investigation at once.

Yes, good points. Either way, he was shitting his pants because he's accused of something that could end his career and land him in jail. Must've been very stressful having that hanging over your head.

 

[Magua]

Pretty sure Kaprizov is a UFA the year Michkov can come over. That's the type of impact player I would like to see them go for as opposed to the Hayes types of the world.

I mean, that would be a brilliant franchise changing move.

But I've seen this story before: an elite Russian winger hits UFA, but the Flyers prefer to spend on a middle 6 center. You know who will be a UFA as well in 2026? Kevin Hayes.

 

[sauce88]

I mean, that would be a brilliant franchise changing move.

But I've seen this story before: an elite Russian winger hits UFA, but the Flyers prefer to spend on a middle 6 center. You know who will be a UFA as well in 2026? Kevin Hayes.

Was just looking at the list, they won't be able to help themselves with Anders Lee also being a free agent.

 

[Magua]

Was just looking at the list, they won't be able to help themselves with Anders Lee also being a free agent.

Boone Jenner.

 

[BigToe]

 

[captainpaxil]

Are we comitted to rebuilding or are we signing tk?

 

[deadhead]

I mean, that would be a brilliant franchise changing move.

But I've seen this story before: an elite Russian winger hits UFA, but the Flyers prefer to spend on a middle 6 center. You know who will be a UFA as well in 2026? Kevin Hayes.

What Russian wing? Only one I can think of is Panarin, and he was going to NYC - which is where I'd go with $100M! Get a nice condo for a few million and live the good life. He wasn't coming to Philly.

Anyway, Flyers aren't throwing big money at wings if they have Farabee and Michkov, they'd be hunting for a center.

 

[mja]

What Russian wing? Only one I can think of is Panarin, and he was going to NYC - which is where I'd go with $100M! Get a nice condo for a few million and live the good life. He wasn't coming to Philly.

Anyway, Flyers aren't throwing big money at wings if they have Farabee and Michkov, they'd be hunting for a center.

We didn't even try. We had the cap space to make a play, and Chuck Fletchered it like the goddamned coward he is.

 

[deadhead]

We didn't even try. We had the cap space to make a play, and Chuck Fletchered it like the goddamned coward he is.

Panarin wasn't in play, same way Fox wasn't in play.
In free agency (or in Fox's case, potential free agent) the player decides where he wants to go, not fans.

 

[mja]

Panarin wasn't in play, same way Fox wasn't in play.
In free agency (or in Fox's case, potential free agent) the player decides where he wants to go, not fans.

You offer him the richest contract in the league and dare him to turn it down. If he does, then so be it, but at least you took the shot.

We didn't even try. And it's not because he wasn't available. It's because he wasn't a center.

 

[deadhead]

Panarin didn't make the Rangers a winner, nor did having a #1 and #2 pick.
Fox and a 4th rd pick are the difference for that team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Panarin didn't make the Rangers a winner, nor did having a #1 and #2 pick.
Fox and a 4th rd pick are the difference for that team.

Ah ok so it is good that the Flyers don't try to have high picks and high talent. Yes I agree. Building from the 4th line out in the image of the Islanders and style of the Blues will work! I have faith. It's the two lowest probability paths to success combined, but I bet the universe smiles upon that audacity.

 

[BillDineen]

I am wondering if the decision to rebuild and call it that publically was related to knowing the Hart situation was coming down the pipeline? Would they have been buyers at this deadline if Hart was never involved?

 

[deadhead]

I am wondering if the decision to rebuild and call it that publically was related to knowing the Hart situation was coming down the pipeline? Would they have been buyers at this deadline if Hart was never involved?

No, this goes back to before Briere was hired and Torts came out and said this team was 4-5 years away (i.e. as long or longer than his contract). When Briere was hired that spring, he made it clear he was on board with Torts in that a rebuild was required, they weren't going to tank, but they were going to focus on adding young assets.

The problem was CF and Scott, the G trade should have been followed by trades of Sanheim and Risto, no TDA deal, etc. But Scott would never sign off on a rebuild and CF knew a rebuild meant he was gone.

Briere traded Provorov and dumped Hayes, TDA, Hodgson and Connauton, let Braun, Lemieux, Willman walk, clearing more contract slots. Only additions were Poehling (24), Hathaway (2yr deal), and Staal (1yr deal).

Added 1st, (2) 2nds, 5th, 6th rd picks, Grans (21), Rizzo (22), Walker (29), Peterson (29).
Walker is a trade asset, Peterson simply a salary dump.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Panarin didn’t make the Rangers a winner, but the Flyers have elite talents. I don’t know what we’re doing anymore, but it’s not hockey discussion.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Not that we didn't know this already, but our forwards are pretty slow.