2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[FlyerNutter]

Also, @FlyerNutter

^^ Gina Valentines burner account

I always knew those hands were too clean

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Since he left Philly, he's been essentially a 3rd pair, PP specialist.
Not a bad player, but nothing special either.
I mean who cares.

Sure, AV should have just put him on the 3rd pair and never gotten Risto, but it would have made little difference, the team still would have sucked.
Ghost couldn't make Zona a good team, he wasn't making the Flyers a good team.

Carolina put him on the 3rd pair, let him walk so they could sign TDA at a lower cost.
That tells you want a good team thought of him.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Wow, it's already been a year since authentic fans were singing the praises of Zack MacEwen and predicting the Flyers would be in a dogfight for a wild card spot. Where does the time go.

Any news on how Torts is holding Cates accountable for gifting Carolina the GWG with that flakey turnover on Monday?

You're allowed to make mistakes as long as you try hard. Why else would nic d be an every game player? I bet if I tried hard enough torts would bench Frost to make room for me

 

[Striiker]

The best part of Sanheim dominating to start the year is that the Authentic fans will claim it's thanks to Tort's development genius, not that he's no longer stuck behind that fraud Provorov and with AHL partners.

 

[Starat327]

The best part of Sanheim dominating to start the year is that the Authentic fans will claim it's thanks to Tort's development genius, not that he's no longer stuck behind that fraud Provorov and with AHL partners.

I often wonder what would've happened if we hadn't let Fletcher torpedo this team.

 

[Striiker]

I often wonder what would've happened if we hadn't let Fletcher torpedo this team.

At least one cup.

 

[Starat327]

This looks like two teams playing their first game of the season. Bad hockey both ways.

Oh, TK. Rushed a wide open net.

Fans yelling "shoot" there were total morons.

Bad penalty by Sanheim.

Sir, this is an Arbys.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He was never on the third pair in Arizona which is where he spent the vast majority of his time since being traded.

Another obvious lie, easily disproved.

Look, if you ignore what he's actually been, then he's been anything else you can imagine in order to defend a failure from a feeble GM.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I often wonder what would've happened if we hadn't let Fletcher torpedo this team.

Chuck Fletcher's penis cries all day.

 

[Striiker]

WILD!

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

WILD!

Charlie getting ready to head down to the arena:

 

[Striiker]

Charlie getting ready to head down to the arena:

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Charlie working on an article

 

[Starat327]

WILD!

@Hollywood Cannon
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[CerpinTaxt]

WILD!

yea but Frost leading the team in 5v5 scoring last season not enough sample size to keep him in the line up despite early season "struggles".

Charlie is wild. (Sanheim is awesome by the way)

 

[deadhead]

I often wonder what would've happened if we hadn't let Fletcher torpedo this team.

It would still suck. If you keep Ghost and G and don't trade for Risto, you still have no defense, no depth on offense, etc. Keep Voracek and he still gets hurt, don't trade for Ellis and you have Patrick and Myers, and so on.

As long as the FO didn't want to rebuild, it was inevitable that they would eventually implode.

 

[deadhead]

He was never on the third pair in Arizona which is where he spent the vast majority of his time since being traded.

Another obvious lie, easily disproved.

I said on a GOOD team.
Did you ever look at the crap Arizona rolled out on defense last season?
Their only quality D-man, Chychrun, couldn't stay healthy, and then was traded.
the other D-men - Moser 16:02 (ES), Valimaki 15:49, Nemeth 14:29, Stecher 14:07, J Brown 12:57

I mean AMac was on the 1st pair on the Islanders - did that make him a 1st pair D-man?
Ghost on Carolina, a GOOD team, was 5th in ES TOI at 14:44.

 

[thedjpd]

The best part of Sanheim dominating to start the year is that the Authentic fans will claim it's thanks to Tort's development genius, not that he's no longer stuck behind that fraud Provorov and with AHL partners.

Yeah, I think you're reaching hard.

I think Sanheim's dominance has nothing to do with Torts, and everything to do with the fact that he woke up because of an almost trade and really took himself seriously this summer. Nobody believes that he just suddenly added 20lbs of muscle over one summer or whatever, but even if he did, why did it take him till age 27 to do that? He couldn't do that last year, and just chose to stay skinny as a rail?

Flyers got lucky here, for sure, but I do definitely think there was some leisure in some of these guys' attitudes. Nobody believed he didn't have the talent - but many, maybe even himself, knew he didn't have the right attitude.

People at the top of their profession are never "nice" - they know they're at the top, work at it, and act like it. That's the part that was always missing here. He was that close to being gone (and for whatever reason, really wanted to stay).

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[Starat327]

"I think you're reaching hard here. Let me explain to you the inner thoughts of someone I sont know, and why he was determined to stick around instead of getting a trade from a garbage organization."

It would still suck. If you keep Ghost and G and don't trade for Risto, you still have no defense, no depth on offense, etc. Keep Voracek and he still gets hurt, don't trade for Ellis and you have Patrick and Myers, and so on.

As long as the FO didn't want to rebuild, it was inevitable that they would eventually implode.

Maybe. We'll never know. That said, just because it wouldn't be a cup contender doesn't mean it wouldn't be in better shape.

Theres a haul of assets alone that could change an organization in the Risto and Ghost trades alone.

 

[deadhead]

"I think you're reaching hard here. Let me explain to you the inner thoughts of someone I sont know, and why he was determined to stick around instead of getting a trade from a garbage organization."



Maybe. We'll never know. That said, just because it wouldn't be a cup contender doesn't mean it wouldn't be in better shape.

Theres a haul of assets alone that could change an organization in the Risto and Ghost trades alone.

#14-2021, #36-2022, #39-2023.
First, they would have been cap strapped with Ghost and Voracek.
Second, those picks won't arrive until 2024 or later, so they would have made little difference in the short-run.

A different GM would have done something else, maybe slightly more effective (worse draft position), still involving using draft picks b/c they had few other assets, but it's doubtful any GM would have got them close to the playoffs after 2020-21.

The fundamental problem was they were an aging 90 point team that had little left in the pipeline (Frost, Cates, Zamula, Ersson) and that had already peaked and was close to the cap due to the JVR signing, Voracek's contract and Hayes. After 2020-21 the team should have been torn down but the FO would never have allowed that. GMs don't decide to rebuild - that decision is above their pay grade (owners have to accept the consequences of a rebuild, tens of millions of lost revenue).

It wasn't until Torts came out and said they needed to rebuild that ANYONE used that word, and until Briere took over, the FO still refused to admit it was time.

 

[Starat327]

#14-2021, #36-2022, #39-2023.
First, they would have been cap strapped with Ghost and Voracek.
Second, those picks won't arrive until 2024 or later, so they would have made little difference in the short-run.

A different GM would have done something else, maybe slightly more effective (worse draft position), still involving using draft picks b/c they had few other assets, but it's doubtful any GM would have got them close to the playoffs after 2020-21.

The fundamental problem was they were an aging 90 point team that had little left in the pipeline (Frost, Cates, Zamula, Ersson) and that had already peaked and was close to the cap due to the JVR signing, Voracek's contract and Hayes. After 2020-21 the team should have been torn down but the FO would never have allowed that. GMs don't decide to rebuild - that decision is above their pay grade (owners have to accept the consequences of a rebuild, tens of millions of lost revenue).

It wasn't until Torts came out and said they needed to rebuild that ANYONE used that word, and until Briere took over, the FO still refused to admit it was time.

This is a whole lot of what-if ism. We have no idea what drafting at 14th would have done. We could have gotten a Joel Farabee, who didnt take three years to have an impact. We dont know if said player could have wow-ed and made the team. Especially if said player was playing aside a still great player in Claude Giroux.

That's before you even consider the possibilities that that pick could've been used in a trade for a functional NHL player instead of a marginal nhl/all tweener who we handed a 5M/year contract to.


Fletchers incompetence set this organization back years. Pretending like You have a crystal ball that sees into the alternate universe where Fletcher doesn't choose the least desirable outcome at every instance doesn't change that.

 

[Curufinwe]

I said on a GOOD team.

Another obvious lie, easily disproved.

Since he left Philly, he's been essentially a 3rd pair, PP specialist.

It's funny you asked "who cares', because you clearly care a great deal about Ghost, and his strong start with a good Detroit team is keeping you up at night.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think Sanheim's dominance has nothing to do with Torts, and everything to do with the fact that he woke up because of an almost trade and really took himself seriously this summer.

The problem with this theory is that Sanheim has had really good seasons before, long before the botched trade attempt and his alleged body transformation. The main difference now is that Provorov isn't in the way getting underserved top pairing and PP minutes.

 

[deadhead]

Playing Frost has cost Laughton, he went from 15 minutes a night to 10-11 the last two games.

 

[Curufinwe]

Cates should be the one on the 4th line, if Torts hadn't made him his adopted son. An offensive black hole, and not even strong on the puck in his own zone this season.