2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[TB87]

I feel confident Frost will play again and get a chance to redeem himself of whatever faults were noticed. And that his leash will be long given his youth and contract.

His leash hasn’t been long since he’s turned pro in this organization.

Side note: Torts is the most easily hate-able coach this team has had in a long time. That’s saying something too because they enjoying hiring raging assholes on the regular. God Emperor Torts is in a league of his own. I might throw a party when he gets canned.

 

[deadhead]

Funny, I thought Sanheim was in Tort's doghouse, now he's playing 25 minutes a night on the first pair. Guess that "doghouse" has a swinging door.

 

[Curufinwe]

I have a feeling frost is going to be scratched again.

Can’t change the lineup after a win. It’s the law.

 

[Striiker]

Player development.

 

[freakydallas13]

Funny, I thought Sanheim was in Tort's doghouse, now he's playing 25 minutes a night on the first pair. Guess that "doghouse" has a swinging door.

Sanheim? "The team tried to trade him and the only reason he's still on the team is because of Krug's NTC" Sanheim? That guy?

 

[Cody Webster]

Funny, I thought Sanheim was in Tort's doghouse, now he's playing 25 minutes a night on the first pair. Guess that "doghouse" has a swinging door.

A swinging door...is that different from a revolving door?

 

[bennysflyers16]

Can’t change the lineup after a win. It’s the law.

But hart isn’t playing.

The guy is a hypocrite and piece of shit.

And Briere is even worse.

Funny, I thought Sanheim was in Tort's doghouse, now he's playing 25 minutes a night on the first pair. Guess that "doghouse" has a swinging door.

He’s the best D on the team , that’s why he’s playing.

And your dipshit GM and coach tried to give him away cause they are so awful.

You must work for the team right ?

 

[deadhead]

Sanheim sucked last year, he even admits that.
Briere was facing an 8 year contract that extended to age 34 when the rebuild is over.
Not surprising he might have wanted a 1st rd pick instead.
The same people bitching about almost trading him were trashing Fletcher for NOT trading him a year ago.

I'll give Sanheim credit, he answered the wake up call, got visibly bigger and stronger and is playing a more physical, aggressive game.

 

[Cody Webster]

Sanheim sucked last year, he even admits that.
Briere was facing an 8 year contract that extended to age 34 when the rebuild is over.
Not surprising he might have wanted a 1st rd pick instead.
The same people bitching about almost trading him were trashing Fletcher for NOT trading him a year ago.

I'll give Sanheim credit, he answered the wake up call, got visibly bigger and stronger and is playing a more physical, aggressive game.

It was the first year he sucked, oh noes!!! Everyone sucked.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sucked so much he had the best defensive goal results on the defense while playing the 2nd most minutes while partnering stiffs like Angelo and Risto.

 

[deadhead]

I wonder if one issue with Frost is he doesn't fit what they're looking for in a center.

In Torts defensive scheme the center is used like a 3rd D-man, that doesn't play to Frost's strengths (or Hayes).
In this case, size, speed and defense is more important than playmaking ability for a center.

It also allows you to play undersized wings who are offense first, like Atkinson, TK, Brink, Michkov, Barkey and Ciernak. Rizzo would also fit that mold, if he gets moved to wing. The wings have fewer defensive responsibilities.

It makes it easier to draft, top two way centers are almost impossible to find, but undersized, skill wings are far more common.

 

[Magua]

"Speed and defense is more important than playmaking ability for a center" -- I just want to point out that's a fold the franchise level statement. It might even be partially true for them! Meanwhile, Cates and Gauthier fit exactly what they want in a center. Bodes well. Also, Frost is the fastest center in the organization, so that part doesn't even make sense.

Frost is, at worst, average defensively. If he gives back a bit in physicality, I'd argue his defensive intellect and stick work is well above average. It means he can make it look easy at times, and lord knows, if it doesn't look hard it's not effective. The coach simply has a terrible slanted evaluation of him that doesn't match reality. The idea Frost is anything else is evaluating backwards from that.

 

[Cody Webster]

I wonder if one issue with Frost is he doesn't fit what they're looking for in a center.

In Torts defensive scheme the center is used like a 3rd D-man, that doesn't play to Frost's strengths (or Hayes).
In this case, size, speed and defense is more important than playmaking ability for a center.

It also allows you to play undersized wings who are offense first, like Atkinson, TK, Brink, Michkov, Barkey and Ciernak. Rizzo would also fit that mold, if he gets moved to wing. The wings have fewer defensive responsibilities.

It makes it easier to draft, top two way centers are almost impossible to find, but undersized, skill wings are far more common.

The amount of made up bullshit you come up with is pretty amazing, I'll give you that.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The amount of made up bullshit you come up with is pretty amazing, I'll give you that.

Or maybe , just wait for it ,

The coach is a Dino POS that Hates skill

 

[JojoTheWhale]

None of this is even about Frost. Engaging on the specifics of his game is a waste of time. We’re entering Year 14 of the default being making excuses for why they can’t get out of their own way.

They find ideals and toss aside everything that doesn’t fit them. This is the design. It’s smartest guy in the room bullshit. The proof is in the people they keep hiring. Not an ounce of humility in a position of hockey power to be found.

 

[VladDrag]

None of this is even about Frost. Engaging on the specifics of his game is a waste of time. We’re entering Year 14 of the default being making excuses for why they can’t get out of their own way.

They find ideals and toss aside everything that doesn’t fit them. This is the design. It’s smartest guy in the room bullshit. The proof is in the people they keep hiring. Not an ounce of humility in a position of hockey power to be found.

It’s a little bit about Frost lol

 

[Striiker]

"Speed and defense is more important than playmaking ability for a center" -- I just want to point out that's a fold the franchise level statement.

Bellemare > Giroux

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It’s a little bit about Frost lol

It's exactly as much about Frost as it will be the next guy they do this to down the line. We care about Frost because it's the current mistake and because he can be more than he is now. We feel the urgency. We'll care about the next guy too.

They don't now and they won't in the future. Frost is just a symptom. The problem is an organization rotten to its DNA. Their levels of incompetence corrupt everyone who walks through the door.

They've turned me into @FlyerNutter

 

[Flyerfan4life]

"Speed and defense is more important than playmaking ability for a center" -- I just want to point out that's a fold the franchise level statement. It might even be partially true for them! Meanwhile, Cates and Gauthier fit exactly what they want in a center. Bodes well. Also, Frost is the fastest center in the organization, so that part doesn't even make sense.

Frost is, at worst, average defensively. If he gives back a bit in physicality, I'd argue his defensive intellect and stick work is well above average. It means he can make it look easy at times, and lord knows, if it doesn't look hard it's not effective. The coach simply has a terrible slanted evaluation of him that doesn't match reality. The idea Frost is anything else is evaluating backwards from that.

well Torts admitted he doesnt understand offense.. so ur facts checkout

 

[VladDrag]

It's exactly as much about Frost as it will be the next guy they do this to down the line. We care about Frost because it's the current mistake and because he can be more than he currently is. We feel the urgency. We'll care about the next guy too.

They don't know and they won't in the future. Frost is just a symptom. The problem is an organization rotten to its DNA. Their levels of incompetence corrupt everyone who walks through the door.

They've turned me into @FlyerNutter

100% it was just a silly joke

 

[trostol]

This organization really needs to be sold to someone who understands..ya know...hockey

 

[Striiker]

This organization really needs to be sold to someone who understands..ya know...hockey

Haven’t you heard what a big fan Hilferty is?!?

 

[KaraLupin]

After watching some video with assistant coach Rocky Thompson, Frost came to the conclusion that he wasn’t “engaged enough” in what was happening on the ice.

“(When) I’m anticipating and moving my feet, that’s when I make plays,” Frost said. “I don’t think I did a good job of that the first two games. It was justified.”

 

[Beef Invictus]

I wonder if one issue with Frost is he doesn't fit what they're looking for in a center.
.

Yes, welcome aboard. We've been pointing this out for years. They don't want playmaking centers. They'd prefer to have four different versions of Cates. That's what they try to develop everyone into while being desperate to punish any deviation.

The difference here is we recognize this as a massive problem and you think it is good. So do the Flyers. It's a big reason why they are bad.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It's exactly as much about Frost as it will be the next guy they do this to down the line. We care about Frost because it's the current mistake and because he can be more than he is now. We feel the urgency. We'll care about the next guy too.

They don't now and they won't in the future. Frost is just a symptom. The problem is an organization rotten to its DNA. Their levels of incompetence corrupt everyone who walks through the door.

They've turned me into @FlyerNutter