2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[Tripod]

After watching some video with assistant coach Rocky Thompson, Frost came to the conclusion that he wasn’t “engaged enough” in what was happening on the ice.

“(When) I’m anticipating and moving my feet, that’s when I make plays,” Frost said. “I don’t think I did a good job of that the first two games. It was justified.”

What did you want him to say?

"I am taking feedback from an idiot who took his shirt off and wanted to fight a player and a coach who's horse kicked him in the head he hated him so much"

 

[KaraLupin]

What did you want him to say?

"I am taking feedback from an idiot who took his shirt off and wanted to fight a player and a coach who's horse kicked him in the head he hated him so much"

How about "I got to keep working on my game and my strengths". Not basically saying the same way he played last year is what is wrong.

Dude is folding. "Not moving my feet" is bullshit he was skating in those first 2 games.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

How about "I got to keep working on my game and my strengths". Not basically saying the same way he played last year is what is wrong.

Dude is folding. "Not moving my feet" is bullshit he was skating in those first 2 games.

hes accepted if he doesnt cowtow to god Torts he wont play..

but tbh it doesnt matter Torts decided Frosts future last year

just a matter of time till hes waived/traded for nothing

 

[deadhead]

How about "I got to keep working on my game and my strengths". Not basically saying the same way he played last year is what is wrong.

Dude is folding. "Not moving my feet" is bullshit he was skating in those first 2 games.

No, he wasn't. He was invisible except for one period when they were down 3 goals and the other team slacked off.

A player like Frost should jump out at you when you watch the game.

 

[Curufinwe]

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[CerpinTaxt]

Michkov is gonna regret wanting to be drafted by the Flyers if John is still around when he comes over

 

[Curufinwe]

What did you want him to say?

"I am taking feedback from an idiot who took his shirt off and wanted to fight a player and a coach who's horse kicked him in the head he hated him so much"

Shirtless Rocky is running the NHL's worst powerplay over an 87 game sample. Show him some respect.

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[Tripod]

How about "I got to keep working on my game and my strengths". Not basically saying the same way he played last year is what is wrong.

Dude is folding. "Not moving my feet" is bullshit he was skating in those first 2 games.

He is regurgitating what the idiots are telling him. It's quite simple. He needs to kiss the ring of Torts in order to play.

 

[Curufinwe]

The 4th line got killed in very limited minutes last night. Is their doctorate getting revoked?

Philadelphia Flyers @ Dallas Stars, 2023-10-21

 

[deadhead]

The 4th line got killed in very limited minutes last night. Is their doctorate getting revoked?

Philadelphia Flyers @ Dallas Stars, 2023-10-21

Uh, what stat line are you referring to?

6:16 CF 36.36%, SCF 2, SA 0, xGF 82.69%

The line that got rolled was Foerster - Laughton - TK.
The Flyers will struggle at LW, where Foerster and Tippett are new at playing that side.
But you also have Atkinson, TK and Brink, who are career RWs as well.
It would be nice to trade Atkinson, but unlikely to find a taker for that contract until next summer, and only if he has a top 6 season.

I've never been sold on Laughton at center, other than 4C.
But I don't think Poehling has the skill to play above 4C either.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The Flyers are stupid and still haven't changed their ways.

Annoyed.

 

[Random Forest]

Frost is a good player who deserves to be consistently in the line up (and needs to be if we actually expect him to become a long term core player), but he does have a bit of a Sam Gagner problem. Loads of talent, strong offensive instincts, highly creative, but also passive and timid. Gagner failed to become anything more than an ancillary offensive piece, despite incredible talent, because he only ever made things happen when the situation came to him. Players like that are good when opponents give them time and space but otherwise aren’t able to impose their will on games in other ways. I want Frost to succeed, and he’s obviously not in a position to do so right now, but we do have a very big sample size to observe his strengths and flaws. Those issues don’t disappear simply by increasing his role. Even in the perfect situation, I think he’s still a 45-55 point player given his flaws. Which is solid, but not exactly a piece that demands a bigger role. I don’t like how he’s being managed right now, but I also struggle to have that much outrage over it.

Most like outcome, IMO, he gets back into the lineup and produces at the rate he did last year, but he’s gone before his bridge deal is over, and he ends up carving out a career as a solid secondary offensive piece for teams that need offensive depth, bouncing around the league and never quite establishes himself as a core piece. Ie, Sam Gagner.

 

[VladDrag]

Frost is a good player who deserves to be consistently in the line up (and needs to be if we actually expect him to become a long term core player), but he does have a bit of a Sam Gagner problem. Loads of talent, strong offensive instincts, highly creative, but also passive and timid. Gagner failed to become anything more than an ancillary offensive piece, despite incredible talent, because he only ever made things happen when the situation came to him. Players like that are good when opponents give them time and space but otherwise aren’t able to impose their will on games in other ways. I want Frost to succeed, and he’s obviously not in a position to do so right now, but we do have a very big sample size to observe his strengths and flaws. Those issues don’t disappear simply by increasing his role. Even in the perfect situation, I think he’s still a 45-55 point player given his flaws. Which is solid, but not exactly a piece that demands a bigger role. I don’t like how he’s being managed right now, but I also struggle to have that much outrage over it.

I know what your saying, but he was a 60-point player in the last in last ~50 games of last season. That is with less than ideal usage, mostly es points too.

This is the crazy part. He was their best producer over that time, too. This is why Frost fans are screaming their heads off. He’s already exceeded you expectations of 45-55 points.

 

[deadhead]

If the Flyers hate speed and skill, how come they draft Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak & McPherson, and trade for Rizzo? The one traditional "Flyers pick", Knuble, is off to a rough start in college.

 

[Random Forest]

I know what your saying, but he was a 60-point player in the last in last ~50 games of last season. That is with less than ideal usage, mostly es points too.

This is the crazy part. He was their best producer over that time, too. This is why Frost fans are screaming their heads off. He’s already exceeded you expectations of 45-55 points.

I get this, but again, Sam Gagner had stretches of similar production early in his career too. I think Frost should be afforded every opportunity to prove that he is That Guy, but it’s not just about picking out his best career stretch and extrapolating what he could theoretically be. It’s about what he’s able to do on a game by game basis, which is why having regular invisible games and shifts is concerning. I agree that he should have more leash if for no other reason than for us to learn what he actually is, but simply based on his player profile, I struggle to see a guy who puts it together consistently enough to be a primary weapon.

I could be wrong, but players who become primary offensive players don’t often leave you wondering whether that potential is there. And I understand that many of his bigger fans would object to the notion that we have to “wonder”.

 

[FlyerNutter]

How come they haven’t been able to field more than two prime superstars since ‘91?

So into skill my ass

They’ve hired a lot of alumni since that time though eh

 

[tnfrs]

 

[tnfrs]

I get this, but again, Sam Gagner had stretches of similar production early in his career too. I think Frost should be afforded every opportunity to prove that he is That Guy, but it’s not just about picking out his best career stretch and extrapolating what he could theoretically be. It’s about what he’s able to do on a game by game basis, which is why having regular invisible games and shifts is concerning. I agree that he should have more leash if for no other reason than for us to learn what he actually is, but simply based on his player profile, I struggle to see a guy who puts it together consistently enough to be a primary weapon.

I could be wrong, but players who become primary offensive players don’t often leave you wondering whether that potential is there. And I understand that many of his bigger fans would object to the notion that we have to “wonder”.

46 points in his first full season, 19 goals and he did it for a coach that actively dislikes everything about his game and personality, at this point its not a question of potential in my opinion. He's never been given a fair shake in Philly and its not exclusive to the time Torts has been here, theyve dicked him around up and down to the A and back since he turned pro and have never let him settle into a role with regular linemates with complementary skill sets. Let him build some momentum and see what happens when he plays with confidence.

 

[Random Forest]

46 points in his first full season, 19 goals and he did it for a coach that actively dislikes everything about his game and personality, at this point its not a question of potential in my opinion. He's never been given a fair shake in Philly and its not exclusive to the time Torts has been here, theyve dicked him around up and down to the A and back since he turned pro and have never let him settle into a role with regular linemates with complementary skill sets. Let him build some momentum and see what happens when he plays with confidence.

I agree with him getting the opportunity you describe. I’m just not as confident that he becomes what we hope he can be if given that opportunity.

 

[tnfrs]

I agree with him getting the opportunity you describe. I’m just not as confident that he becomes what we hope he can be if given that opportunity.

I just wanna see Frost get the chance, people will still pay good money for a 2C from a bad team if he fails, someone will take that bet. sitting him an extended period of time doesnt do anyone any favors here

 

[BrindamoursNose]

If the Flyers hate speed and skill, how come they draft Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak & McPherson, and trade for Rizzo? The one traditional "Flyers pick", Knuble, is off to a rough start in college.

Because they're incompetent

 

[Ghosts Beer]

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I’m confused about what can be dismissed as a “small sample size.”

 

[tnfrs]

I’m confused about what can be dismissed as a “small sample size.”

if you ask Torts, theres no such thing, but 20 games id say no longer qualifies as small

 

[Cody Webster]

Uh, what stat line are you referring to?

6:16 CF 36.36%, SCF 2, SA 0, xGF 82.69%

The line that got rolled was Foerster - Laughton - TK.
The Flyers will struggle at LW, where Foerster and Tippett are new at playing that side.
But you also have Atkinson, TK and Brink, who are career RWs as well.
It would be nice to trade Atkinson, but unlikely to find a taker for that contract until next summer, and only if he has a top 6 season.

I've never been sold on Laughton at center, other than 4C.
But I don't think Poehling has the skill to play above 4C either.

So what you're saying is, they should have traded Laughton for a first and second when they had the chance....

 

[Ghosts Beer]

if you ask Torts, theres no such thing, but 20 games id say no longer qualifies as small

What are the rules for posting advanced stats?

I read “small sample” when Frost is the worst of two games. But then I also read post-single-game reports about how a line was “caved.”

Then we get your 5-game report that the PhD line is top 10 in the league in expected goals, but I presume that is a small sample.