2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I’m furious we waived Wade. It makes no sense

I’m not sure how it doesn’t make sense to you… he was passed by two younger / more talented players and the path to keeping those players up with the big club was exposing Allison to waivers.

If he gets claimed, oh well. He probably won’t. But if he does and Brink and Foerster stick, that’s a very small price to pay.

 

[Curufinwe]

I’m not sure how it doesn’t make sense to you… he was passed by two younger / more talented players and the path to keeping those players up with the big club was exposing Allison to waivers.

If he gets claimed, oh well. He probably won’t. But if he does and Brink and Foerster stick, that’s a very small price to pay.

There's a very good chance Brink and Foerster don't play that much and don't stick under Torts. See Zamula last season. They've already announced that the 4th line is untouchable, which is freaking absurd for a bottom tier team like the Flyers.

 

[Magua]

Having 2 young players on an NHL roster to rotate (at both forward and defense), while the veterans don't rotate, just screams, "Rebuild." If they're good enough to rotate, they're good enough to play in a meaningless season.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They waived Wade Allison to make room for Nic Deslauries.

This is not a serious organization.

 

[BiggE]

Bye Wade, try not to blow out your knee on the ride to LHV.

 

[Curufinwe]

Allison played as many NHL games last season as Konecny.

 

[BiggE]

The odds of Torts not dressing a healthy Nic D and Seeler every game is about the same as the odds to win the powerball. Hell, if Staal was 2-3 years younger, you could add him to the list too.

Walker is the only vet that Torts plans on sitting on a regular basis.

 

[Magua]

They waived Wade Allison to make room for Nic Deslauries.

This is not a serious organization.

 

[Curufinwe]

That photo needs to be cropped slightly on the right.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

There's a very good chance Brink and Foerster don't play that much and don't stick under Torts. See Zamula last season. They've already announced that the 4th line is untouchable, which is freaking absurd for a bottom tier team like the Flyers.

If you really don’t understand there’s a difference between Brink/Foerster and Zamula, idk what to tell you… completely different level of prospects.

Zamula is someone most would be overjoyed with if he turned into a cheap bottom pairing defenseman. Nobody would be happy if Foerster/Brink become bottom 6 players.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Flyers must think pretty highly of Zamula since he made the team over Cam York last season. And he's always had top 4 upside.

It's very funny that you are claiming Zamula is totally different case when there are quotes from Torts today saying how Brink will get sent down in a hurry if they don't like how he handles the NHL.

 

[Magua]

Michkov and Gauthier are no where close in terms of prospects... I like Gauthier's raw tools, but I have question marks about how his game will translate to the pro level. I want to see more dynamic offensive play from him before I hop on the Gauthier train.

Michkov has the potential to be the best winger on a contender. This is a legit 1st-2nd overall talent. Gauthier looks like a complementary player through and through. It's hard for me to envision Gauthier as someone who is better than the 4/5th forward (at wing) on a contender. That's if he hits on his 90th percentile outcome to be clear. That's a straight up success! But it's going to be a rude awakening if he's viewed as the 2nd best forward. The Devils, Lightning, Leafs, Sabres......at best, you're debating prime Gauthier being the 5th best forward on any of those teams.

To this point, Gauthier has shown no ability to drive possession, his playmaking is below average, his defense is mediocre, and I'm not a fan of his small space game. You're aggressively getting shooting and rush offense also based around shooting. How he creates his offense in non-rush situations (read: impatient shots from the Andromeda Galaxy) is not entirely translatable. I also don't think he has quite the same explosiveness as someone like Tippett off the rush, even if his shot seems more reliable and versatile.

 

[freakydallas13]

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Michkov has the potential to be the best winger on a contender. This is a legit 1st-2nd overall talent. Gauthier looks like a complementary player through and through. It's hard for me to envision Gauthier as someone who is better than the 4/5th forward (at wing) on a contender. That's if he hits on his 90th percentile outcome to be clear. The Devils, Lightning, Leafs, Sabres......at best, you're debating prime Gauthier being the 5th best forward on any of those teams.

He, to this point, has shown no ability to drive possession, his playmaking is below average, his defense is mediocre, and I'm not a fan of his small space game. You're aggressively getting shooting and rush offense also based around shooting. How he creates his offense in non-rush situations is not entirely translatable. I also don't think he has quite the same explosiveness as someone like Tippett off the rush, even if his shot seems more reliable.

Have you considered that Cutter is, at worst, a 30+ goal scorer?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Allison waived?

 

[Striiker]

CANT BREAK UP THE 4TH LINE HAHAHAHAHHAHHA

"DOESN'T LOVE GOONS" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"GOOD DEVELOPMENT COACH" HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’ve always said that the best way to build a contender is from the 4th line out. You get the 4th line you want and the rest will fall into place.

 

[deadhead]

I'm sure they offered him around the league and got no takers.
People were upset when Laczynski got waived, notice he didn't get claimed.

The fact that no team made a minimal offer for Allison says he's seen as a run of the mill 4th line forward and nothing more around the league.

Heck, Ottawa gave MacEwen a 3 year deal (at minimum wage, but still three guaranteed seasons).

 

[Tripod]

I don't care about the actually waiting of Allison. He likely clears given this time of year, every team is waiving guys.

What I don't like, is the entire process, and the lying by Mgt. If you are rebuilding, as stated, you don't spend 2.375 million on a 31 year old 4th line RW on a multiple year contract. Especially when you have:

TK, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison at worst....and had Foerster and Brink as roster possibilities. For a REBUILDING team, that 2.375 in cap space comes in handy to extract value from a team looking to gain cap space....like Ottawa who can't fit Pinto.

Add that to not trading Laughton for picks, adding 37 year old Staal, and it's clear they are saying 1 thing, and doing another. They WANT to push for a playoff spot.

 

[Tripod]

I'm sure they offered him around the league and got no takers.
People were upset when Laczynski got waived, notice he didn't get claimed.

The fact that no team made a minimal offer for Allison says he's seen as a run of the mill 4th line forward and nothing more around the league.

Heck, Ottawa gave MacEwen a 3 year deal (at minimum wage, but still three guaranteed seasons).

Yeah but McEwen has the ability to play in the top 6.

Only for the great Torts, mind you.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I'm sure they offered him around the league and got no takers.
People were upset when Laczynski got waived, notice he didn't get claimed.

The fact that no team made a minimal offer for Allison says he's seen as a run of the mill 4th line forward and nothing more around the league.

Heck, Ottawa gave MacEwen a 3 year deal (at minimum wage, but still three guaranteed seasons).

Would you have waived Allison or Nic D if you were the GM.

I don't care about the actually waiting of Allison. He likely clears given this time of year, every team is waiving guys.

What I don't like, is the entire process, and the lying by Mgt. If you are rebuilding, as stated, you don't spend 2.375 million on a 31 year old 4th line RW on a multiple year contract. Especially when you have:

TK, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison at worst....and had Foerster and Brink as roster possibilities. For a REBUILDING team, that 2.375 in cap space comes in handy to extract value from a team looking to gain cap space....like Ottawa who can't fit Pinto.

Add that to not trading Laughton for picks, adding 37 year old Staal, and it's clear they are saying 1 thing, and doing another. They WANT to push for a playoff spot.

pure incompetence. Probably Hilferty's fault it will be said in due time

 

[freakydallas13]

I'm sure they offered him around the league and got no takers.
People were upset when Laczynski got waived, notice he didn't get claimed.

The fact that no team made a minimal offer for Allison says he's seen as a run of the mill 4th line forward and nothing more around the league.

Heck, Ottawa gave MacEwen a 3 year deal (at minimum wage, but still three guaranteed seasons).

Good results don't excuse poor processes.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I’m not sure how it doesn’t make sense to you… he was passed by two younger / more talented players and the path to keeping those players up with the big club was exposing Allison to waivers.

If he gets claimed, oh well. He probably won’t. But if he does and Brink and Foerster stick, that’s a very small price to pay.

Shit Truck and Hathaway are younger ??

 

[Tripod]

What a new era. Feels so different doesn't it?

Reminder, we are spending 17 million on players not on our roster. 17 million.

 

[BiggE]

From right to left:
Gone, over his head, clueless, also clueless but has a lot of friends, the real boss

 

[BringBackHakstol]

ROTATING BRINK AND FOERSTER

I'm dead. No organization with a clue would ever do this. They are clueless beyond belief