2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[wankstifier]

How much of the league would've waived Ristolainen?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

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Lmao thank you!!!!

 

[Rebels57]

He still did what he did which was outside of normal behavior. Can a franchise sign him without alienating a size of its fan base? Is any organization going to trust that he won’t go bizarro again and that the next time it would stick? Those are big gambles to take with any player whose behavior has gone rogue. See Odubel Herrera

Consensual "rough sex" isnt grounds to be banished from MLB..especially since she baited him into it under false pretenses. A lot of current athletes playing professionally have done a lot worse.

 

[deadhead]

Why we shouldn't try to tank - b/c there are 3-4 teams out there so bad we'd have to give way half our roster to finish with a worse record. We already have Michkov and Gauthier in the pipeline, at this point a fire sale to tank would just make a rebuild harder (and we'd lose the lottery in any case, we are the Flyers!).

Doesn't mean Briere shouldn't move out veterans to garner assets this year, more draft picks and prospects please. And next season as well. But forget about being as bad as Anaheim or San Jose.

 

[VladDrag]

Michkov and Gauthier are no where close in terms of prospects... I like Gauthier's raw tools, but I have question marks about how his game will translate to the pro level. I want to see more dynamic offensive play from him before I hop on the Gauthier train.

 

[Evergreen]

He corrected to Ersson. I can't disagree

I don't think Andrae is quite ready. I think giving him more meaningful minutes, including top PP time, with LHV--at least to start the season--would be good for him. If he plays well, he'll almost certainly get a call-up at some point due to injuries.

I thought Foerster was great last night, so I think he's on the team day 1. He's already shown he can play at the NHL level based on his successful stint last year.

I think it could go either way with Brink. Yes, they could move Laughton down to the 4th line to open up a top-9 spot for Brink, but how long would it make sense to keep that up? Perhaps it would be better to give Brink some time in the AHL, simply because he hasn't really played much hockey over the last couple seasons and he hasn't actually proven he can dominate at the AHL level yet. Part of me would love to see him awarded a spot with the Flyers because he really has earned it with his fantastic camp. Another part of me thinks he'd be better served going down to the Phantoms, killing it down there, and getting called up as soon as there's a need. I just don't want to see him make the team, not perform well, and then get sent down to the AHL on a low note. I'd rather see him go down on a high note, with tons of confidence, and just keep that going.

 

[deadhead]

I think at worst with Gauthier you have a bigger, more polished version of Tippett.
A 30+ goal scoring LW.
At best, a physical two way center.

But his solid post draft performance so far reduces the odds that he'll be a flop.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think at worst with Gauthier you have a bigger, more polished version of Tippett.
A 30+ goal scoring LW.
At best, a physical two way center.

But his solid post draft performance so far reduces the odds that he'll be a flop.

At worst with Gauthier you have a 30+ goal scorer.

 

[deadhead]

“We don’t want to have kids lose ice time. Marc is going to be a mentor,” Tortorella said. “I know he’s already grabbed a couple of guys after a practice and talked to and worked on stuff with them. Marc Staal is going to play, but that’s what I kind of have to referee. Is it getting in the way of a development of a guy? Or is that guy just not ready, and Staalsy plays? Those are things I can’t forecast.”

Won't surprise me if by April, Laughton, Hathaway, Seeler and Walker have new addresses.
Harder to move Atkinson or Risto or Deslauriers at the TDL. We'll see what happens in June.

They want to be "competitive," but no one has even whispered the word "playoffs." This year is about working in the kids. They're probably thinking 80-85 points, and drafting around #10. Last year was 92 points to make the playoffs, year before 100 - with no Boston to skew the field, I think in the East, you'll need close to a 100 points to make the playoffs this year,.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

At worst with Gauthier you have a 30+ goal scorer.

Just remember, we’re the ones that overrate prospects.

 

[deadhead]

Gauthier is a top 5 pick who showed steady improvement in his first D+1 season in college and in international play. The odds of being a flop are very low at this point, no fatal character or playing flaws have been revealed. With his size, speed and shot, he's a good bet to be a goal scoring wing at worst.

Nothing is certain, but he's got the best shot in the organization, should fill out to 6'2 210 or so with above average speed. That's the profile of a top goal scoring wing. He produced in the WJC at 19, at the WC and as a college freshman on a weak team with little help.

Caufield 36g 19-17 36 (freshman on Wisconsin with better talent than BC last year)
Gauthier 32g 16-21 37

The open question with Gauthier is he a LW or a Center?
He's more valuable at center, this year with some top talent around him, we'll get a good read on his upside there.

 

[renberg]

We'll start to see where Gauthier is when BC opens up its play at Quinnipiac tomorrow night.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because this has gotten lost in the weeds, the problem with Poehling isn't Poehling. It's the process. Tortorella demanded that the roster be filled out with 10 goal PK guys while stating they don't need talent. The team has honored that dumbass wish. That's bad. I have this best idea where you chase the best talent you can and let it push guys down the roster. The Flyers prefer to deliberately set the bar low from the start, and then wonder why they're bad.

Bending over to accommodate coaches has led to numerous Ls lately and nobody involved with any of it (since it is all the same people) has learned anything. They are too stupid to learn.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

“We don’t want to have kids lose ice time. Marc is going to be a mentor,” Tortorella said. “I know he’s already grabbed a couple of guys after a practice and talked to and worked on stuff with them. Marc Staal is going to play, but that’s what I kind of have to referee. Is it getting in the way of a development of a guy? Or is that guy just not ready, and Staalsy plays? Those are things I can’t forecast.”

Won't surprise me if by April, Laughton, Hathaway, Seeler and Walker have new addresses.
Harder to move Atkinson or Risto or Deslauriers at the TDL. We'll see what happens in June.

They want to be "competitive," but no one has even whispered the word "playoffs." This year is about working in the kids. They're probably thinking 80-85 points, and drafting around #10. Last year was 92 points to make the playoffs, year before 100 - with no Boston to skew the field, I think in the East, you'll need close to a 100 points to make the playoffs this year,.

talk is cheap. very cheap.

It wont surprise me if walker and Seller are the only ones dealt.

Torts wants playoffs. Thats what he lives for, to deny that is comical.

 

[deadhead]

Because this has gotten lost in the weeds, the problem with Poehling isn't Poehling. It's the process. Tortorella demanded that the roster be filled out with 10 goal PK guys while stating they don't need talent. The team has honored that dumbass wish. That's bad. I have this best idea where you chase the best talent you can and let it push guys down the roster. The Flyers prefer to deliberately set the bar low from the start, and then wonder why they're bad.

Bending over to accommodate coaches has led to numerous Ls lately and nobody involved with any of it (since it is all the same people) has learned anything. They are too stupid to learn.

Poehling is 24, a former 1st rd pick who's embraced a bottom six role. You'd be crazy NOT to add players like that, with the option to extend him if he works out. He's exactly the kind of player the Flyers haven't added in the past.

Hathaway really only has value to them as trade bait, but if that 4th line does well, PO teams will be lining up for him - he's what every GM wants to add at reasonable cost at the TDL. The second year makes it a little tougher to deal, but the relatively low salary means you just take a low cost bad contract back, and bury him in the AHL.

Staal, who cares. He's here as an extra coach, Torts has made that clear. He won't block anyone. If a PO team wants veteran depth, they can have him for a song.

 

[Wats]

What are the odds of Tippett continuing that great stretch to end year into this season. Man was a beast.

 

[Danko]

What are the odds of Tippett continuing that great stretch to end year into this season. Man was a beast.

I said earlier this preseason that I thought he was gonna score a bunch and got books thrown at my head

 

[Kelmitchell2]

“We don’t want to have kids lose ice time. Marc is going to be a mentor,” Tortorella said. “I know he’s already grabbed a couple of guys after a practice and talked to and worked on stuff with them. Marc Staal is going to play, but that’s what I kind of have to referee. Is it getting in the way of a development of a guy? Or is that guy just not ready, and Staalsy plays? Those are things I can’t forecast.”

Won't surprise me if by April, Laughton, Hathaway, Seeler and Walker have new addresses.
Harder to move Atkinson or Risto or Deslauriers at the TDL. We'll see what happens in June.

They want to be "competitive," but no one has even whispered the word "playoffs." This year is about working in the kids. They're probably thinking 80-85 points, and drafting around #10. Last year was 92 points to make the playoffs, year before 100 - with no Boston to skew the field, I think in the East, you'll need close to a 100 points to make the playoffs this year,.

Laughton should have already been moved, there's really no need for him or even a good spot for him, one of the kids could take his spot on the 3rd Line

 

[SuchySays]

You guys are absolute livid we are going to be good this year.

 

[freakydallas13]

You guys are absolute livid we are going to be good this year.

Not "good", but definitely not bad enough to finish with a top 5 pick.

We'll be exactly where the Flyers management wants to be: mediocre.

 

[VladDrag]

What are the odds of Tippett continuing that great stretch to end year into this season. Man was a beast.

Depends on his usage. He has skill and plays well, but his usage last year lead to a lot of his raw points. That's not an attack on him, he played well last year, but he got 1st line and top pp usage. With Couts/Atkinson coming back and one of Foerster/Brink likely making the team this year, he's going to have more of a challenge maintaining that top line/top pp usage.

It this point, it's very hard to project his totals going into this season, but if I had to, I'd say 25 +\- 3 goals is probably a decent guess.

We'll start to see where Gauthier is when BC opens up its play at Quinnipiac tomorrow night.

Do you know if this is on ESPN+?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

You guys are absolute livid we are going to be good this year.

BUY BUY BUY...

 

[FLYguy3911]

Do you know if this is on ESPN+?

Looks like it yeah.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Not "good", but definitely not bad enough to finish with a top 5 pick.

We'll be exactly where the Flyers management wants to be: mediocre.

Leafs Sundin era.

Without Sundin.

But they will be hard to play against, and win with effort baby. Doubling down on Islanders hockey, what’s not to cheer for?

 

[Curufinwe]

I just gotta say how great it is to start a season without having Provorov penned in for 23+ minutes a game and a bunch of undeserved PP usage.