2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[deadhead]

Well, you can make a good case that Hayes, JVR and TDA were addition by subtraction.
Couts can't outskate Hayes, but he can outplay him by a wide margin if healthy.
Atkinson even at 34 can skate circles around JVR.

The Flyers will be faster and tougher to play against without those three.
Hayes and JVR simply don't fit an up tempo system. They are big without being physical.
And TDA has value only in sheltered usage. Talented but undisciplined.

Culture is sometimes just a buzz word for "fit," Flyers are moving to more of a speed game.

 

[Magua]

The top 6 is set, and the 4th line is set, and most of the 3rd line was set. We predicted that months ago and were told we were wrong, but as usual we were right.

"The young players must prove to us they're ready. It's up to them to make this team."

*2+ forwards and 2 defensemen do so*

"Shit, we weren't prepared for this. Ummm. Maybe just have them rotate in single lineup spots?"

 

[deadhead]

The top 6 is set, and the 4th line is set, and most of the 3rd line was set. We predicted that months ago and were told we were wrong, but as usual we were right.

Who told you "we were wrong?"
Brink and Foerster were never considerations for a 4th line role.
Desnoyers was, but he was clearly not ready.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who told you "we were wrong?"
Brink and Foerster were never considerations for a 4th line role.
Desnoyers was, but he was clearly not ready.

You told us we were wrong. You kept posting lineups filled with youth. We kept telling you that will never happen. It isn't happening.

"4th line role" is a laughable concept that only exists in the minds of terrible teams. Good teams don't hesitate to have a good 4th line by putting Brink and Foerster on it. The Flyers did that themselves once in a time, and had success. Pity they forgot that in their pursuit of resurrecting a fictional version of the sport that never was.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well, you can make a good case that Hayes, JVR and TDA were addition by subtraction.
Couts can't outskate Hayes, but he can outplay him by a wide margin if healthy.
Atkinson even at 34 can skate circles around JVR.

The Flyers will be faster and tougher to play against without those three.
Hayes and JVR simply don't fit an up tempo system. They are big without being physical.
And TDA has value only in sheltered usage. Talented but undisciplined.

Culture is sometimes just a buzz word for "fit," Flyers are moving to more of a speed game.

so funny how you have soured on hayes that fast

based on what?

 

[Magua]

 

[deadhead]

You told us we were wrong. You kept posting lineups filled with youth. We kept telling you that will never happen. It isn't happening.

"4th line role" is a laughable concept that only exists in the minds of terrible teams. Good teams don't hesitate to have a good 4th line by putting Brink and Foerster on it. The Flyers did that themselves once in a time, and had success. Pity they forgot that in their pursuit of resurrecting a fictional version of the sport that never was.

Good teams put winning before development.
Which is how we got Tippett and how Florida got Verhaeghe.

When you're a SC contender, you make decisions based on what the team needs, not what the player needs.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Good teams put winning before development.
Which is how we got Tippett and how Florida got Verhaeghe.

When you're a SC contender, you make decisions based on what the team needs, not what the player needs.

Development causes winning. Winning while as few players as possible are there to experience it does nothing. There is zero upside to playing Deslauriers and Hathaway. None. Zilch. Zero. This team won't win a single extra game because of them, but they will develop fewer players as a result. And both will be long gone by the time this team has chance of maybe being good again.

This isn't a f***ing SC contender rofl

 

[deadhead]

Playing Foerster on the 4th line won't develop him either, unless you want him to become a "mucker." Either play him in the top 9 or send him to LHV to play on the 1st line and PP.

You were whining that Frost didn't have good enough linemates last season, so you want to stick Foerster with Poehling and Hathaway to develop his offensive game?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Playing Foerster on the 4th line won't develop him either, unless you want him to become a "mucker." Either play him in the top 9 or send him to LHV to play on the 1st line and PP.

You were whining that Frost didn't have good enough linemates last season, so you want to stick Foerster with Poehling and Hathaway to develop his offensive game?

If the team stopped treating 4th liners as if they can only be shitty muckers then they would be better for it and players could develop fine there. It's 2023. The Flyers refusal to admit it's not 2003 anymore is a major reason they're bad. Your reasoning is their reasoning. It's bad reasoning.

List where I said I want Foerster with Hathaway. I think I've been clear I don't want Hathaway. You've been extra heavy on the especially feeble strawman arguments lately. It's hard to defend the indefensible. And you know it isn't defendable, because you were posting lineups maximizing youth instead of what the Flyers are doing. As always you've abandoned your stated expectations to defend the opposite approach. There isnt a thing this team has ever done that you don't defend.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Playing Foerster on the 4th line won't develop him either, unless you want him to become a "mucker." Either play him in the top 9 or send him to LHV to play on the 1st line and PP.

You were whining that Frost didn't have good enough linemates last season, so you want to stick Foerster with Poehling and Hathaway to develop his offensive game?

Or, you know, they could field a fourth line that's like the other lines instead and play them more. You don't need strictly "muckers."

But hey, old outdated ideas of what a hockey team needs to be is this organization's MO.

As Beef said, we don't want a Hathaway on the team. He serves no purpose here even if he is a semi decent hockey player. Deslauriers? He is not that. You've acknowledged that yourself that those two serve no purpose for a rebuilding team as they won't be around when it is time so why are they here? What purpose do they serve? They're in the way.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The 4th line being set weeks or months ago is nuts. That is the line that should be the very least set of all of them. The idea that it's some untouchable unit is terrible. It's not even a good 4th line.

 

[PALE PWNR]

Is he Balon Greyjoy

 

[Curufinwe]

Playing Foerster on the 4th line won't develop him either, unless you want him to become a "mucker."

20 year old Jeff Carter averaged 12 minutes game, and only 9:20 at ES. Please spare us the it-can’t-be-done crap.

 

[renberg]

"Bringing in Hayes and getting rid of Jake makes the locker room better than ever"
"Bringing in Yandle makes the locker room better than ever"
"Getting rid of Yandle makes the locker room better than ever"
"Bringing in TDA won't affect such a great locker room"
"Getting rid of Hayes and TDA, and bringing in Staal and Hathaway makes the locker room better than ever"

 

[TB87]

Is he Balon Greyjoy

Euron lol

 

[deadhead]

20 year old Jeff Carter averaged 12 minutes game, and only 9:20 at ES. Please spare us the it-can’t-be-done crap.

So now Foerster is as talented as Jeff Carter?

 

[captainpaxil]

The 4th line being set weeks or months ago is nuts. That is the line that should be the very least set of all of them. The idea that it's some untouchable unit is terrible. It's not even a good 4th line.

don't avoid the real problem and that's that the first line was set and isn't good enough to get us anywhere.
The top youth of today are the grinders of tomorrow .

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Euron lol

nerds!!!

not one person here could have predicted that Torts is only interested in dinosaur hockey traits..

not even one person....

 

[Beef Invictus]

So now Foerster is as talented as Jeff Carter?

He doesn't need to be. Players can start on the 4th line and be successful. Many players do it every year.

 

[deadhead]

don't avoid the real problem and that's that the first line was set and isn't good enough to get us anywhere.
The top youth of today are the grinders of tomorrow .

Actually we don't know yet.
And I think that's what Briere is patiently waiting to see.
Is Couts the same player as before the injury once he shakes off the rust?
Are Foerster and Brink NHL ready?
Does Atkinson have anything left in the tank?

 

[Beef Invictus]

don't avoid the real problem and that's that the first line was set and isn't good enough to get us anywhere.
The top youth of today are the grinders of tomorrow .

Ive called all of that out numerous times. A set 4th line is just way, way, way stupider. Especially this particular 4th line.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

WTF did Germany go to war with France again? This is f***ing hockey John, not the 1st Reich.

 

[Magua]

WTF did Germany go to war with France again? This is f***ing hockey John, not the 1st Reich.

It’s not a real tweet. I made it as a joke last season. The believability is the concerning part!