2023-24 Roster Thread 3: We Three Flyers

[deadhead]

I doubt that they'd "absolutely" do anything.

Frost might be better at LW, less defensive responsibilities, but I don't see a guy who can hold the puck and control play, and he's not a kamikazee like Tippett, using size and speed to force action. So that remains to be seen, but he has a good shot.

We know Cates and Gauthier can play LW. We know Michkov can play RW. All three are being tried at center.

I see this more as a fluid situation, where experience at center will be valuable, even if the players move to wing in the future.
The same holds for Desnoyers and Avon.
Their play on the ice will determine where they end up, as well as whom the Flyers draft in the next couple years.

 

[Lindberg]

I doubt that they'd "absolutely" do anything.

Frost might be better at LW, less defensive responsibilities, but I don't see a guy who can hold the puck and control play, and he's not a kamikazee like Tippett, using size and speed to force action. So that remains to be seen, but he has a good shot.

We know Cates and Gauthier can play LW. We know Michkov can play RW. All three are being tried at center.

I see this more as a fluid situation, where experience at center will be valuable, even if the players move to wing in the future.
The same holds for Desnoyers and Avon.
Their play on the ice will determine where they end up, as well as whom the Flyers draft in the next couple years.

The Flyers rebuild is going to fail if they think this situation can be improved by in a matter of two years or so by now. They really need another two top 5 picks (if not a bit closer to top 3).

 

[renberg]

From the coverage of Michkov that is going on, I’m getting a sense that the future will hold a Bedard versus Michkov rivalry. Already some are saying that MM is too small for playing center at 5’10”. Excuse me but Bedard is the same height. From what I’ve seen of his play, MM can easily handle center ice. We shall see who can do what in the future but MM may well be an equal talent to Bedard. There’s going to be more than a few embarrassed faces who played down MM going into this last draft.

 

[Curufinwe]

Not another roadkill center.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, they haven't had good depth for a decade. They had a few guys scoring at the top, and a below average bottom six.

Because they despise talent and still do.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

How the Flyers see Torts: A savior
How people that actually grasp hockey see Torts: an out of touch asshole

How the Flyers see Risto: core player, quality top 4 D
Everyone else: massively overpaid 6/7 Dman

How the Flyers see Cates: stud 2 way center, future Selke winner
Everyone else: solid 3LW

Give me a call when Torts is gone and Michkov arrives. Maybe, doubtful but just maybe, by then they’ll have gotten a clue.

They're doing similar intense overrating of the ever intangible Laughton

 

[Beef Invictus]

don't see any reason he cant crack 30 as the 3rd line center. Unless of course you believe he cant improve.

Well he won't play enough time with good though linemates. That's why not.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I doubt that they'd "absolutely" do anything.

Frost might be better at LW, less defensive responsibilities, but I don't see a guy who can hold the puck and control play, and he's not a kamikazee like Tippett, using size and speed to force action. So that remains to be seen, but he has a good shot.

We know Cates and Gauthier can play LW. We know Michkov can play RW. All three are being tried at center.

I see this more as a fluid situation, where experience at center will be valuable, even if the players move to wing in the future.
The same holds for Desnoyers and Avon.
Their play on the ice will determine where they end up, as well as whom the Flyers draft in the next couple years.

Yes you have repeatedly proven you are just as bad at evaluating Frost as the team is

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The Flyers rebuild is going to fail if they think this situation can be improved by in a matter of two years or so by now. They really need another two top 5 picks (if not a bit closer to top 3).

2 years ? haha... they will think they are done by mid season THIS year..

 

[Lindberg]

2 years ? haha... they will think they are done by mid season THIS year..

I'll apply the wait and see approach here.

 

[BiggE]

2 years ? haha... they will think they are done by mid season THIS year..

Two years is possible but it would take back to back lottery wins in 24 and 25 along with multiple 22 and 23 picks turning pro and making immediate contributions. This is extremely unlikely to happen.

More realistic would be
23-24 bottom 5 team
24-25 bottom 10 team
25-26 85-90 point team, still no playoffs
26-27 90-100 point bubble team, at best wins one round
27-28 solid playoff team, dark horse contender
28-29 legit contender

Of course, the above is based on managements grasping the concept of rebuilding. Trying to rush things via shortsighted trades and signings will just lead to another decade of mediocrity

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well he won't play enough time with good though linemates. That's why not.

we shall see.

 

[Beef Invictus]

we shall see.

He won't be the 3C, so probably not

 

[Beef Invictus]

Two years is possible but it would take back to back lottery wins in 24 and 25 along with multiple 22 and 23 picks turning pro and making immediate contributions. This is extremely unlikely to happen.

More realistic would be
23-24 bottom 5 team
24-25 bottom 10 team
25-26 85-90 point team, still no playoffs
26-27 90-100 point bubble team, at best wins one round
27-28 solid playoff team, dark horse contender
28-29 legit contender

Of course, the above is based on managements grasping the concept of rebuilding. Trying to rush things via shortsighted trades and signings will just lead to another decade of mediocrity

Their 3 year timeline is built on delusion and complete ignorance of their own sport.

 

[BiggE]

Their 3 year timeline is built on delusion and complete ignorance of their own sport.

Their delusion is breathtaking. The Oilers entered the NHL in 1979 with Gretzky and Messier and didn’t win the Cup til 84. The Pens didn’t win their first one until Mario’s 7th season. Hell, the Oilers have had McJesus for coming up on a decade and still no Cups.

This team has all of 2 blue chip prospects, one of which who won’t arrive til 2026 and neither of which compares to the guys I mentioned, and they think they can contend in 2-3 years?

Man, get me some of the shit they are smoking in the Flyers front office!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Their delusion is breathtaking. The Oilers entered the NHL in 1979 with Gretzky and Messier and didn’t win the Cup til 84. The Pens didn’t win their first one until Mario’s 7th season. Hell, the Oilers have had McJesus for coming up on a decade and still no Cups.

This team has all of 2 blue chip prospects, one of which who won’t arrive til 2026 and neither of which compares to the guys I mentioned, and they think they can contend in 2-3 years?

Man, get me some of the shit they are smoking in the Flyers front office!

6 years from Pitt drafting Malkin to winning. They also needed to draft an even better player in Crosby right after, then Staal, and Letang too. On top of building around them.

It was 14 years on from drafting Ovechkin and other major talents that Washington won. Colorado and TB needed many more than 3 years. But yeah, sure, mission accomplished in 3 years. Very sane approach, expectation, and plan.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

6 years from Pitt drafting Malkin to winning. They also needed to draft an even better player in Crosby right after, then Staal, and Letang too. On top of building around them.

It was 14 years on from drafting Ovechkin and other major talents that Washington won. Colorado and TB needed many more than 3 years. But yeah, sure, mission accomplished in 3 years. Very sane approach, expectation, and plan.

yea cuz this Org. has such a fantastic track record of successful team building...

oh wait, haahahah

 

[deadhead]

Depends what they mean by "competitive." In three years, they should be competing for a playoff slot.
That's not the same as being a legitimate SC contender, that requires being a top 8, preferably a top 4 team.

 

[tnfrs]

we're gonna be a bottom 5 team this year, and we're still going to be a bottom 5 in 2025 but it will be a roster heavy with prospects replacing all the expiring contracts and players that get eventually traded between now and next summer. 2026 we'll know what we have in Gauthier, and with Michkov coming the next year we probably start setting the table for him. We may not be considered cup favorites by the time Michkov gets here but we will be in a position where high end talent will be willing to sign with us, and we should also have some A+ prospects we can dangle in trades by then

 

[Beef Invictus]

Depends what they mean by "competitive." In three years, they should be competing for a playoff slot.
That's not the same as being a legitimate SC contender, that requires being a top 8, preferably a top 4 team.

Competing for a playoff slot does not a competitive team make. They think they're gonna be contenders.

Of course, they're so stupid I'm positive they actually believe that being average enough to make the playoffs is good enough. That dumbass "AnYtHiNg CaN hApPeN" falsehood. Fill all the right roles and you're good. You only need a few talented players, because there's only so many "talented roles."

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I doubt that they'd "absolutely" do anything.

Frost might be better at LW, less defensive responsibilities, but I don't see a guy who can hold the puck and control play, and he's not a kamikazee like Tippett, using size and speed to force action. So that remains to be seen, but he has a good shot.

We know Cates and Gauthier can play LW. We know Michkov can play RW. All three are being tried at center.

I see this more as a fluid situation, where experience at center will be valuable, even if the players move to wing in the future.
The same holds for Desnoyers and Avon.
Their play on the ice will determine where they end up, as well as whom the Flyers draft in the next couple years.

A fluid situation, eh? So one could say there will be a revolving door at center?

 

[freakydallas13]

Nice to know competing for a playoff spot is the goal. 3/4 of the teams in the leauge compete for a playoff spot, it's the epitome of a participation ribbon.

You might as well say you're going to be competitive at being a mediocre speed bump for playoff contenders.

 

[wasup]

Got this off the main boards , I guess Tort's really did fix RR . lol

 

[deadhead]

we're gonna be a bottom 5 team this year, and we're still going to be a bottom 5 in 2025 but it will be a roster heavy with prospects replacing all the expiring contracts and players that get eventually traded between now and next summer. 2026 we'll know what we have in Gauthier, and with Michkov coming the next year we probably start setting the table for him. We may not be considered cup favorites by the time Michkov gets here but we will be in a position where high end talent will be willing to sign with us, and we should also have some A+ prospects we can dangle in trades by then

Wouldn't count on that. Depends how some players develop, if Foerster is for real (looked very good in his 8 game cameo) and Couts and Atkinson are close to 100%, Flyers will roll three solid lines. The defense will have questions, but again, that's where coaching and player development come in. Can Zamula and Attard step up, Risto keep improving on defense, Sanheim rebound?

If a number of young players perform above expectations, that's a good thing, right?

2023-24: Foerster, Zamula, Attard, Ersson
2024-25: Gauthier, Brink, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Andrae, Ginning
2025-26: Bonk, Avon, 2024 1st rd pick, Rizzo
2026-27: Michkov, 2024 1st rd pick, Kaplan, Grans, Samson
[just showing how prospects are lined up the next few years, not predicting success for any of them]

There should be a steady supply of young players, both top 6/top 4 and depth bodies the next 4-5 years.
How fast the team improves will depend on how many of these players develop into real contributors.