2023-24 Roster Thread 3: We Three Flyers

[tnfrs]

That's the point.

Walker and Hathaway are the only two that are guaranteed to start, and both are solid players who should have a lot of TDL value.
I don't think you'll see a lot of Staal and Seeler on the ice at the same time, they're a bit redundant.
And they're stuck with some players, Couts, Sanheim and Risto are basically unmovable right now.

This is more like what Howie does every summer, patch "holes" with veterans, then see if some kids can make them expendable.
In the NHL, due to having options and a minor league team, and guaranteed contracts, that process takes longer to play out.

The purpose of the scrub veterans is to allow the team the option of not rushing a prospect just because there's a hole in the roster, any prospect worth playing won't be blocked by someone like Staal.

i was responding to guy asking why I thought roster spots were opening next year, I wasnt questioning why theyre here or if theyll have value, those are just the guys that wont be here in 2025. I know why theyre here now and I know its not long term

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're rebuilding around Tortorella by making the focus of the franchise a player who Tortorella hates?

He's years away. Try not to ignore that every single other thing has been to pander to him. You're getting tunnel vision and missing big picture.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's the point.

Walker and Hathaway are the only two that are guaranteed to start, and both are solid players who should have a lot of TDL value.
I don't think you'll see a lot of Staal and Seeler on the ice at the same time, they're a bit redundant.
And they're stuck with some players, Couts, Sanheim and Risto are basically unmovable right now.

This is more like what Howie does every summer, patch "holes" with veterans, then see if some kids can make them expendable.
In the NHL, due to having options and a minor league team, and guaranteed contracts, that process takes longer to play out.

The purpose of the scrub veterans is to allow the team the option of not rushing a prospect just because there's a hole in the roster, any prospect worth playing won't be blocked by someone like Staal.

Staal and Poehling are locks.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

That's the point.

Walker and Hathaway are the only two that are guaranteed to start, and both are solid players who should have a lot of TDL value.
I don't think you'll see a lot of Staal and Seeler on the ice at the same time, they're a bit redundant.
And they're stuck with some players, Couts, Sanheim and Risto are basically unmovable right now.

This is more like what Howie does every summer, patch "holes" with veterans, then see if some kids can make them expendable.
In the NHL, due to having options and a minor league team, and guaranteed contracts, that process takes longer to play out.

The purpose of the scrub veterans is to allow the team the option of not rushing a prospect just because there's a hole in the roster, any prospect worth playing won't be blocked by someone like Staal.

I dont think you really believe this will happen. They will be staples in the top 6 unless they hare hurt or just flat out very bad.

GH will also not be traded in his first year. Reason he signed here is to be close to family as just had a kid apparently.

When does it no become rushing a 23/24 year old? They will be blocked in a way as torts will not sit his boy. Staal will get an A I bet as well on his jersey

Staal and Poehling are locks.

and seeler. As well as Nic D

 

[Beef Invictus]

While I'm at it, what has been done to build around Michkov? Nothing.

Meanwhile everything else done was to build around Tortorella. The Flyers are constitutionally incapable of building around a player. That's why Tortorella is their franchise savior.

 

[Striiker]

Tortorella is acting like an assistant GM (or co-GM?), not a coach.

He's been given way too much say in the roster and, as we saw last year, even quit doing the coaching part of his job when he decided it took too much effort.

All the players he wanted gone are gone, his pets were brought in, and his favorite guys who should have been traded are still here.

 

[Redpath]

He's years away. Try not to ignore that every single other thing has been to pander to him. You're getting tunnel vision and missing big picture.

Who we choose to use a lottery pick on, who is years away, who is the highest skilled prospect we have ever drafted is the big picture.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

While I'm at it, what has been done to build around Michkov? Nothing.

Meanwhile everything else done was to build around Tortorella. The Flyers are constitutionally incapable of building around a player. That's why Tortorella is their franchise savior.

How exactly do you build around a player who won't be here for maybe 3 years and a player you didn't know was going to be yours until the draft occurred?

I would assume the answer is "draft picks" and we had 2 1sts this year, traded into the 2nd where we didn't have a pick heading into the draft and we currently have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year with the strong likelihood that we add to that.

Exactly what could we have done more to build around Michkov?

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

He's years away. Try not to ignore that every single other thing has been to pander to him. You're getting tunnel vision and missing big picture.

I think you're the one who has lost the plot lol.

Torts got a couple muckers and grinders on short term contracts to fill out the 4th line and fill in some gaps on defense. The team made the largest investment in Michkov, who is about as far from a Torts guy as you can get. If everything was about Torts, there were plenty of taller, physical 2 way centers available at 7.

Signing Marc Staal to a 1 year deal isn't giving Torts the team he wants now and for the future. It's throwing a dog a little scrap of 7 day old leftover chuck steak under the table while you sit at the table chowing down on a 32 ounce dry aged tomahawk ribeye.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Any hockey Canada news yet ?

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Any hockey Canada news yet ?

From the misc thread

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Any hockey Canada news yet ?

#buried

 

[wasup]

I just looked up Ryan Poheling stats for the last two years 9g 8a in 57 games and 7g 7a in 53 games . We paid 1.4 mil to sign the guy . WTF

 

[Ironmanrulez]

I just looked up Ryan Poheling stats for the last two years 9g 8a in 57 games and 7g 7a in 53 games . We paid 1.4 mil to sign the guy . WTF

Culture is expensive....

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who we choose to use a lottery pick on, who is years away, who is the highest skilled prospect we have ever drafted is the big picture.

Who they are building the team around (the coach and not said lottery pick, while thinking they're already almost done) is the big picture.

 

[Beef Invictus]

How exactly do you build around a player who won't be here for maybe 3 years and a player you didn't know was going to be yours until the draft occurred?

I would assume the answer is "draft picks" and we had 2 1sts this year, traded into the 2nd where we didn't have a pick heading into the draft and we currently have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year with the strong likelihood that we add to that.

Exactly what could we have done more to build around Michkov?

You get the timeline right by drafting everyone you can to maximize contention window.

They can have more draft picks. They choose not to because they have told us they're only three years away. They are incompetent. It's going to get more of the same thing they always do until they fire everyone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think you're the one who has lost the plot lol.

Torts got a couple muckers and grinders on short term contracts to fill out the 4th line and fill in some gaps on defense. The team made the largest investment in Michkov, who is about as far from a Torts guy as you can get. If everything was about Torts, there were plenty of taller, physical 2 way centers available at 7.

Signing Marc Staal to a 1 year deal isn't giving Torts the team he wants now and for the future. It's throwing a dog a little scrap of 7 day old leftover chuck steak under the table while you sit at the table chowing down on a 32 ounce dry aged tomahawk ribeye.

He also got them to keep all the most valuable players while only trading the most damaged ones. That's a long term issue. Time is an asset and they're wasting it.

Signing Staal gives Tortorella what he wants, and removes a chance to find out if any prospects can be a longer term solution. The team is the same thing it has always been.

 

[deadhead]

I just looked up Ryan Poheling stats for the last two years 9g 8a in 57 games and 7g 7a in 53 games . We paid 1.4 mil to sign the guy . WTF

He's 24, former 1st rd pick, 1.43 and 1.24 pp/60 the last two seasons.
xGF% 44.72% on a bad Montreal team, %53.77% on Pitt last season. xGFrel -0.89, -1.69.

Wheeler had him rated #11 in the Habs system in 2021 (overall rank at #6)

11. Ryan Poehling, C, 22 (Laval Rocket)

Poehling doesn’t really feel like a prospect anymore. Even though he turned 22 a month ago, I don’t think there’s a ton of runway left for him to become more than what he is at this point in his career, which is a versatile depth forward who works low in the defensive zone, supports his linemates effectively offensively, has pro size, can skate at a pro level, and can penalty kill. He does have some skill off the cycle and playmaking talent as a passer, but he’s limited as a finisher and he lacks creativity with the puck, limiting his ability to make more than the simple first play.

In other words, a solid bottom six prospect, either he steps up and becomes worth an extension, or he gets moved at the TDL.
Exactly the kind of move on the margin that the Flyers rarely made the last decade.
At worst, if you have to bury him, the cap hit is $125K, and the salary cost, who cares? Comcast isn't exactly hurting for cash flow.

 

[Striiker]

If anyone can turn Poehling into a good player it’s the coach who proudly admits he hates youth, gets angry with players but refuses to tell them why, punishes them just to flex his power over them, and then f***s off to the pressbox and abandons his team instead of doing his job.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I just noticed something. If you click on someone using a burner account that has liked a post you get a no one has responded to this post yet message. Not sure if that is only for people on the igor list.

 

[04hockey]

if we could just neutralize the other 31 GM's the rebuild would be a breeze

 

[Redpath]

Who they are building the team around (the coach and not said lottery pick, while thinking they're already almost done) is the big picture.

The long-term, high-level prospect we invested a lottery pick into (When we had plenty of easy excused to pass on him + drafting him against Tortorella's wishes) is more indicative of the big picture than short-term depth signings are.

That Tortorella's wishes were vetoed on the largest, longest-term decision of the offseason really doesn't bode well for the "Building around Tortorella" theory.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He's 24, former 1st rd pick, 1.43 and 1.24 pp/60 the last two seasons.
xGF% 44.72% on a bad Montreal team, %53.77% on Pitt last season. xGFrel -0.89, -1.69.

Wheeler had him rated #11 in the Habs system in 2021 (overall rank at #6)

11. Ryan Poehling, C, 22 (Laval Rocket)

Poehling doesn’t really feel like a prospect anymore. Even though he turned 22 a month ago, I don’t think there’s a ton of runway left for him to become more than what he is at this point in his career, which is a versatile depth forward who works low in the defensive zone, supports his linemates effectively offensively, has pro size, can skate at a pro level, and can penalty kill. He does have some skill off the cycle and playmaking talent as a passer, but he’s limited as a finisher and he lacks creativity with the puck, limiting his ability to make more than the simple first play.

In other words, a solid bottom six prospect, either he steps up and becomes worth an extension, or he gets moved at the TDL.
Exactly the kind of move on the margin that the Flyers rarely made the last decade.
At worst, if you have to bury him, the cap hit is $125K, and the salary cost, who cares? Comcast isn't exactly hurting for cash flow.

who is a fringe nhl player. He isnt a prospect any longer at all

 

[Beef Invictus]

The long-term, high-level prospect we invested a lottery pick into (When we had plenty of easy excused to pass on him + drafting him against Tortorella's wishes) is more indicative of the big picture than short-term depth signings are.

That Tortorella's wishes were vetoed on the largest, longest-term decision of the offseason really doesn't bode well for the "Building around Tortorella" theory.

There were no easy excuses to pass on him, no idea what you're talking about there.

You also have no idea what Tortorella's wishes were. The guy is too f***ing lazy to even coach, I doubt he formed any firm opinion on the draft. You're just wishcasting now. Making shit up.

Your invented fantasy flies in the face off the hard fact that everything they've done has catered to him. Your position isn't tenable.

 

[renberg]

Rumors out of Anaheim that Carlsson will get nine games to show if he can play this season in the show. If he comes up short, he'll be going to their minor league affiliate. Personally, I'd send him back home to finish out the season. We'll just have to see what kind of seasons Bedard and Fantilli have but the best deal for the long term growth of an eighteen year old might be what thee Flyers have going with Matvei. Let him marinate for a year or two and then have him come over when he's fully physically mature. Then let him roll.