2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[blackjackmulligan]

They already have Seeler on a two way deal.
They might sign a veteran RHD if they trade Provorov and dump TDA, so York isn't stuck with a rookie on his right side as he learns the ropes as 1LW.

two way deal mean jack. He will be in the top 6 and he has earned that he should be. Smart move was to trade him for a 4th rd pick. Holmgren probably mandated he keep him though.

We both know they will not have york attard and Zamul in the top 6. spin it any way you want. They will also have a vet along with Nic D on that 4th line.

 

[deadhead]

two way deal mean jack. He will be in the top 6 and he has earned that he should be. Smart move was to trade him for a 4th rd pick. Holmgren probably mandated he keep him though.

We both know they will not have york attard and Zamul in the top 6. spin it any way you want. They will also have a vet along with Nic D on that 4th line.

Depends on TC.
Attard will probably be 3RHD, they don't trust him on defense yet, and would shelter his minutes

York - ???
Sanheim - Risto
Zamula/Seeler - Attard
Ginning

4th line right now might be Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison.
Torts will love Desnoyers, but he needs to get stronger, he'll have to show he's NHL ready in camp.

But I expect a bunch of changes this summer.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Depends on TC.
Attard will probably be 3RHD, they don't trust him on defense yet, and would shelter his minutes

York - ???
Sanheim - Risto
Zamula/Seeler - Attard
Ginning

4th line right now might be Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison.
Torts will love Desnoyers, but he needs to get stronger, he'll have to show he's NHL ready in camp.

But I expect a bunch of changes this summer.

doesn't matter if they trust him. You let him figure it out and help develop him at the NHL level. they are rebuilding no?

Attard AND Zamula are 23. Time to play them to see what they have in both of them. That is what a rebuilding team would do. Or do you disagree? Let them play the first 30-40 games then reevaluate. If they can’t cut it then send them down. Not a hard concept to implement.

Seeler is a lock 3rd pair, for you to keep denying this I don't understand. I will believe Ivan being moved when I see it. Tony D 70/30 he is back.

I think they move Allison for a mid rd pick or part of a hayes deal. Desnoyers will not be in that starting lineup.

so we shall see and have an idea in 8 weeks what the lineups will look like.

 

[Curufinwe]

Sanheim-Risto
York-DeAngelo
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Sanheim-Risto
York-DeAngelo
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

Oh geez I forgot about Seeler till just now *fart*

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Got a wild one as a thought, maybe Hart goes to Winnipeg if Helle is fully out the door?

Hart, Allison and the rights to JVR for 14th overall (2023) and Lambert.

 

[wankstifier]

Teams aside from the Flyers would trade for signing rights?

 

[deadhead]

doesn't matter if they trust him. You let him figure it out and help develop him at the NHL level. they are rebuilding no?

Attard AND Zamula are 23. Time to play them to see what they have in both of them. That is what a rebuilding team would do. Or do you disagree? Let them play the first 30-40 games then reevaluate. If they can’t cut it then send them down. Not a hard concept to implement.

Seeler is a lock 3rd pair, for you to keep denying this I don't understand. I will believe Ivan being moved when I see it. Tony D 70/30 he is back.

I think they move Allison for a mid rd pick or part of a hayes deal. Desnoyers will not be in that starting lineup.

so we shall see and have an idea in 8 weeks what the lineups will look like.

Well, you saw it.

York - ???
Sanheim - Risto
Zamula/Seeler - Attard/Grans
Ginning

Still think they're either bring in a veteran RHD or a 1st tier prospect in another trade,
But TDA is probably history, at this point they just want to cut their losses.
One reason they didn't want to retain in the Provorov trade was to save that option for Hayes, TDA and Walker at the TDL.

Looking at the return on that trade, anyone still skeptical about whether Briere is sincere about rebuilding?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well, you saw it.

York - ???
Sanheim - Risto
Zamula/Seeler - Attard/Grans
Ginning

Still think they're either bring in a veteran RHD or a 1st tier prospect in another trade,
But TDA is probably history, at this point they just want to cut their losses.
One reason they didn't want to retain in the Provorov trade was to save that option for Hayes, TDA and Walker at the TDL.

Looking at the return on that trade, anyone still skeptical about whether Briere is sincere about rebuilding?

yes I saw it, as he asked to be moved. Otherwise they didn't want to move him.

That still doesn't change anything in terms of Attard and Zamula. In fact this trade hurts Attard as you now have Risto Walker and Tony D on right side. Still dont see an opening until one or more Dman are moved. Also there was really no need for them to retain as he didn't need retention. Kings were just in a bad spot. Will they move York back to the left side and keep him there? Either way stop yo yo needs to stop.

Yes still skeptical as 1 trade will not convince me or others. More needs to be down as all they did was trade a disgruntled employee (good return) who it wanted out. It is a good start no doubt. Move TK Laughton and Hart then yes they are rebuilding.

 

[renberg]

It's the end of TDA in Philly. They didn't sit him for the end of the season for no reason. He locked horns with Torts and is seen as a negative influence around the team. Gone.

 

[GKJ]

Oh geez I forgot about Seeler till just now *fart*

You won’t when he brings us a 2nd at the trade deadline!

 

[ponder719]

You won’t when he brings us a 2nd at the trade deadline!

Or when he's #2 the rest of the season.

 

[Cody Webster]

He's wearing orange pads....

Doesn't appear to be the new era of orange though

 

[Rebels57]

Sanheim-Risto
York-DeAngelo
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

I hope they don't do that to York.

 

[Striiker]

He chose right

 

[Rebels57]

He chose right

You didn't see Lindros and LeClair together did you?

Although, for his play style I think his answer makes sense. LeClair already did what Knuble did....just a whole lot better. A prime Knuble would clean up a lot of Giroux and Voracek passes and wreak havoc in the crease.

 

[ponder719]

Knuble's career high was 34 goals, but as the cleanup man for two super-talented, utterly selfless, pass-first forwards, you could probably pencil him in for 35-40 a year. The other two pairs wouldn't have anywhere near as positive an impact on his career earnings.

 

[Striiker]

You didn't see Lindros and LeClair together did you?

Although, for his play style I think his answer makes sense. LeClair already did what Knuble did....just a whole lot better. A prime Knuble would clean up a lot of Giroux and Voracek passes and wreak havoc in the crease.

Over the past decade Voracek alone has more points than both Lindros and Leclair combined.

Easy choice.

 

[GKJ]

You didn't see Lindros and LeClair together did you?

Although, for his play style I think his answer makes sense. LeClair already did what Knuble did....just a whole lot better. A prime Knuble would clean up a lot of Giroux and Voracek passes and wreak havoc in the crease.

Knuble would also be a victim of the crease rule very often.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Not saying it's realistic or if it's even a fit, but had a curiosity I wanted to run over here.

Avs wanted to sign Hayes when he was a FA, and they have a track record of 'always getting their guy' eventually, usually when its too late. Of course a trade could be worked out without Girard, but thought he might be a fit in Philly with Provorov gone and it looking like Tony D will be out soon. He's a young talented D that could fit into their long-term plans.

So my thinking was Girard for Hayes @~5M + something. Laughton would also fill a huge need for the Avs, so wondering what might need to be added to get him in the mix. In return, the Avs can include the rights to JT Compher who will probably sign for around 5M and could be a stop gap during these rebuilding years. I figured Laughton is already 29 so i wouldn't be surprised to see him moved out as well, though I understand he's a valuable commodity so just wondering what else might need to be added. Olausson? 1st? both?

 

[Tarpongg]

Not saying it's realistic or if it's even a fit, but had a curiosity I wanted to run over here.

Avs wanted to sign Hayes when he was a FA, and they have a track record of 'always getting their guy' eventually, usually when its too late. Of course a trade could be worked out without Girard, but thought he might be a fit in Philly with Provorov gone and it looking like Tony D will be out soon. He's a young talented D that could fit into their long-term plans.

So my thinking was Girard for Hayes @~5M + something. Laughton would also fill a huge need for the Avs, so wondering what might need to be added to get him in the mix. In return, the Avs can include the rights to JT Compher who will probably sign for around 5M and could be a stop gap during these rebuilding years. I figured Laughton is already 29 so i wouldn't be surprised to see him moved out as well, though I understand he's a valuable commodity so just wondering what else might need to be added. Olausson? 1st? both?

You would think trading Laughton would make perfect sense- but welcome to the cult of the Flyers. “Sarge” sports 3 day facial hair and isn’t afraid to drop da mitts, is great in da room, so trading him is a bridge too far. I hope to be proven wrong, but the mouth breather Flyer podcasts don’t even mention his name in trade speculation, and if anyone is a Tortsy untouchable, it’s him

 

[wankstifier]

Laughton’s nickname is “Sarge”??

Also, I’d take anything for Hayes. More than a cap dump and a 7th is too generous

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Not saying it's realistic or if it's even a fit, but had a curiosity I wanted to run over here.

Avs wanted to sign Hayes when he was a FA, and they have a track record of 'always getting their guy' eventually, usually when its too late. Of course a trade could be worked out without Girard, but thought he might be a fit in Philly with Provorov gone and it looking like Tony D will be out soon. He's a young talented D that could fit into their long-term plans.

So my thinking was Girard for Hayes @~5M + something. Laughton would also fill a huge need for the Avs, so wondering what might need to be added to get him in the mix. In return, the Avs can include the rights to JT Compher who will probably sign for around 5M and could be a stop gap during these rebuilding years. I figured Laughton is already 29 so i wouldn't be surprised to see him moved out as well, though I understand he's a valuable commodity so just wondering what else might need to be added. Olausson? 1st? both?

At this stage I don't think Compher signs here. I don't know the nerd stats on Girard, but okay.

Laughton, I cannot see being traded at all.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Not saying it's realistic or if it's even a fit, but had a curiosity I wanted to run over here.

Avs wanted to sign Hayes when he was a FA, and they have a track record of 'always getting their guy' eventually, usually when its too late. Of course a trade could be worked out without Girard, but thought he might be a fit in Philly with Provorov gone and it looking like Tony D will be out soon. He's a young talented D that could fit into their long-term plans.

So my thinking was Girard for Hayes @~5M + something. Laughton would also fill a huge need for the Avs, so wondering what might need to be added to get him in the mix. In return, the Avs can include the rights to JT Compher who will probably sign for around 5M and could be a stop gap during these rebuilding years. I figured Laughton is already 29 so i wouldn't be surprised to see him moved out as well, though I understand he's a valuable commodity so just wondering what else might need to be added. Olausson? 1st? both?

I don't know what the front office would accept, but we need draft picks more than anything. We can still afford to take some cap dumps. I would drive Hayes and Laughton there for you, but I would make Hayes ride in the trunk.

 

[Starat327]

I don't know what the front office would accept, but we need draft picks more than anything. We can still afford to take some cap dumps. I would drive Hayes and Laughton there for you, but I would make Hayes ride in the trunk.

Great hate.
Great post.