2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[Danko]

Kings fan here - would the Flyers move Seeler?

im assuming seeler and deslauries are going to be untouchable as they want to surround the kids with players to make them "pros."

 

[deadhead]

Kings fan here - would the Flyers move Seeler?

For the right price. A 3rd rd pick yes, a 6th rd pick, why bother?

 

[Cody Webster]

For the right price. A 3rd rd pick yes, a 6th rd pick, why bother?

Because he's not part of the future and you've told us about how all the young talent needs to play.

 

[Rebels57]

Kings fan here - would the Flyers move Seeler?

Not if Torts has his way.

I would think Briere will move him by the deadline though.

 

[deadhead]

Because he's not part of the future and you've told us about how all the young talent needs to play.

The young D-men also need veteran partners to "hold their hands."
Seeler showed last year that while limited, he could support multiple partners, Risto and TDA played their best hockey paired with him.
Attard might be better served with Seeler as his LHD rather than Zamula to start the season.

You want to play young players, you also don't want to play only young players and have the "blind leading the blind."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ah yes the myth of the old veteran defensive dman being necessary. That has led to many a bad signing for this team where the supposedly reliable dman ends up being carried by the supposedly unreliable young player.

 

[ponder719]

The veteran partner thing can work, but, crucially, that veteran partner actually has to have meaningful things to teach the kid that they can't learn from the coaching staff. The typical Quad-A types the Flyers love to overpay are not best suited for that; if we were partnering these kids with quality, high hockey IQ vets, then we might have something to talk about here.

 

[dats81]

I would not even consider Nick Seeler a true Veteran D.
Agewise, yes.
But in terms of role and games played? Only two full seasons and one playoff series as a rookie. Doubtful.

 

[Striiker]

Why would we trade one of our Tank Commanders?

I know Briere said he’s open to listening on anyone, but guys like Seeler and Risto would be untouchable for me. Those two dipshits are going to hand deliver us our franchise altering draft picks.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The veteran partner thing can work, but, crucially, that veteran partner actually has to have meaningful things to teach the kid that they can't learn from the coaching staff. The typical Quad-A types the Flyers love to overpay are not best suited for that; if we were partnering these kids with quality, high hockey IQ vets, then we might have something to talk about here.

A good veteran is certainly useful, but tragically that's not who the Flyers really have pegged as the "reliable mentor." They seek veteranyness for its own sake and actual quality comes second.

 

[wankstifier]

Seeler averaged 14:29 minutes per game last season. But maybe they think he's as indispensable on the 3rd pair as Deslauriers is on the 4th line

 

[Tripod]

Ah yes....the reliable Nick Seeler who just 2 years ago at age 28, played 0 games in the NHL or AHL because no one wanted him.

Sanheim
York
Zamula

...should be our 3 LHD that play next year.

 

[deadhead]

The veteran partner thing can work, but, crucially, that veteran partner actually has to have meaningful things to teach the kid that they can't learn from the coaching staff. The typical Quad-A types the Flyers love to overpay are not best suited for that; if we were partnering these kids with quality, high hockey IQ vets, then we might have something to talk about here.

Quite the opposite, you learn more from a veteran with marginal talent who's learned how to survive using his wits than an uber-talented teammate who's answer is "I dunno, I just do it."

Braun was a great mentor for that reason, and I suspect Seeler is for the same reason.

 

[sa cyred]

Ah yes the myth of the old veteran defensive dman being necessary. That has led to many a bad signing for this team where the supposedly reliable dman ends up being carried by the supposedly unreliable young player.

Im still trying to figure out what age / how many years pushes a defender from "young" to "vet".

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Quite the opposite, you learn more from a veteran with marginal talent who's learned how to survive using his wits than an uber-talented teammate who's answer is "I dunno, I just do it."

Braun was a great mentor for that reason, and I suspect Seeler is for the same reason.

Nick Seeler survived because Chuck Fletcher had a soft spot for him and this city and organization is a bunch of mouth breathers. No more, no less.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Quite the opposite, you learn more from a veteran with marginal talent who's learned how to survive using his wits than an uber-talented teammate who's answer is "I dunno, I just do it."

Braun was a great mentor for that reason, and I suspect Seeler is for the same reason.

Then why has this never, ever worked in a decade of trying it?

 

[deadhead]

Nick Seeler survived because Chuck Fletcher had a soft spot for him and this city and organization is a bunch of mouth breathers. No more, no less.

Seeler survived b/c he turned himself into a solid 3rd pair D-man, xGF 50.55%, xGFrel +4.65.
Could he play a top 4 role? Nah, his performance depended on being in a sheltered 3rd pair role.
But for a guy ticketed for the AHL, he did a fine job elevating his play.

Seeler is tough, smart and athletically limited. They'll end up moving him at the TDL if they don't get a good offer this summer.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Seeler is a guy who I think you'd get max value back at the trade deadline. GM's will overpay for a guy like that at the deadline...not so much over the summer.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Seeler is a guy who would look really good in a Gritty costume (permanently) or stocking cereal shelves

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Seeler survived b/c he turned himself into a solid 3rd pair D-man, xGF 50.55%, xGFrel +4.65.
Could he play a top 4 role? Nah, his performance depended on being in a sheltered 3rd pair role.
But for a guy ticketed for the AHL, he did a fine job elevating his play.

Seeler is tough, smart and athletically limited. They'll end up moving him at the TDL if they don't get a good offer this summer.

Nope, he survived because of Chuck Fletcher. He's the only reason that he was still playing hockey.

There's a reason he played like five games between 19/20 and 20/21 before he came to the Flyers organization.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Seeler survived b/c he turned himself into a solid 3rd pair D-man, xGF 50.55%, xGFrel +4.65.
Could he play a top 4 role? Nah, his performance depended on being in a sheltered 3rd pair role.
But for a guy ticketed for the AHL, he did a fine job elevating his play.

Seeler is tough, smart and athletically limited. They'll end up moving him at the TDL if they don't get a good offer this summer.

He's a dime a dozen guy and the only reason he's here is Fletcher.

 

[Tripod]

Reminder....in the 2 years before joining the Flyers, Seeler played 12 NHL games and 6 AHL games. He watched the rest if the time.

18 games in 2 years pre-Flyers
120 games in 2 years with Flyers

Sell now while you can. This is a clear pump(lol) and dump chance.

 

[deadhead]

Nope, he survived because of Chuck Fletcher. He's the only reason that he was still playing hockey.

There's a reason he played like five games between 19/20 and 20/21 before he came to the Flyers organization.

Did CF tell Torts to play Seeler?
Seeler was signed as depth, to play for the Phantoms and be available for an injury call-up. These kinds of signings are normal in the NHL.
He earned his job, he wasn't given it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Did CF tell Torts to play Seeler?
Seeler was signed as depth, to play for the Phantoms and be available for an injury call-up. These kinds of signings are normal in the NHL.
He earned his job, he wasn't given it.

Tortorella fell in love with Seeler because he had a fight he liked. That was it. That was the whole reason. Tortorella is that simplistic and wretched in his approach to hockey.

 

[wankstifier]

What could they even get for Seeler?