2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[Beef Invictus]

Meh, Torts was walking a fine line, on the one hand he acknowledged the injury and its impact, on the other hand he doesn't want a young player to use it as an excuse and just give up on the season. And given Farabee was on a nice long-term contract, the agent should have kept this in-house.

Why? Tortorella never keeps anything in-house and he had slammed Farabee.

Sure damages your "everyone loves being treated like shit by Tortorella, it's a badge of honor" lies. He has had two player revolts in his last three stops and is working hard to make that rate 75%.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

walking a fine line

Is his agent popping off? Is that what it is? He's popping off in the media that he's pissed off about Joel? Oh, for God's sake. They should just shut up.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Anyone else thoroughly underwhelmed by Briere’s tenure as GM so far? The only real “rebuilding move” was trading Provorov.


Positioning themselves to be as bad as possible for a few seasons by trading Laughton, Konecny, & Sanheim (accepting whatever for him because the bonus of subtracting him is the cap space savings) are all things that could’ve been done to facilitate a genuine rebuild. This is a half-assed rebuild at best so far.

I think he’s been fine so far. The market has been weird this year. Add to he is trying to navigate cleaning up the pile of shit Fletcher left. I imagine there has been a butterfly effect with Krug quashing a major deal and that left just Hayes to trade and they never were going to get much for him.
League wide it’s been really slow/quiet since the first few days of the month. It is way to early to freak out.

 

[Striiker]

Someone let me know when Briere makes his first move that’s primarily about rebuilding instead of other reasons.

So far there hasn’t been any.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Someone let me know when Briere makes his first move that’s primarily about rebuilding instead of other reasons.

So far there hasn’t been any.

I can't even get excited about Briere breaking the team's Provorov trance (which would ordinarily be huge!) because there's the vital context of Provorov "betraying" the team by making a drama or whatever. If he never has a tantrum about a shirt having too many colors, is he traded? Based on what we've seen, I can't say yes.

 

[Striiker]

I can't even get excited about Briere breaking the team's Provorov trance (which would ordinarily be huge!) because there's the vital context of Provorov "betraying" the team by making a drama or whatever. If he never has a tantrum about a shirt having too many colors, is he traded? Based on what we've seen, I can't say yes.

He was also rumored to be an issue in the locker room, had a bad attitude, clearly wasn’t living up to that contract, and wanted/needed a fresh start.

The fact that only 3 guys with off-ice issues were removed makes it clear the priority wasn’t getting value for the future.

Meanwhile guys like TK and Laughton are still here because the team values their present day play, even though we could get hauls for both.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Deslauries-Coots-Atkinson
Hathaway-Cates-Konecny
Laughton-Frost-Tippett
Farabee-Poehling

Staal-Walker
Sanheim-Risto
York-Seeler
Zamula

Hart
Peterson

Thats my guess at Torts' line up in game 1.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Deslauries-Coots-Atkinson
Hathaway-Cates-Konecny
Laughton-Frost-Tippett
Farabee-Poehling

Staal-Walker
Sanheim-Risto
York-Seeler
Zamula

Hart
Peterson

Thats my guess at Torts' line up in game 1.

so much youth...

good thing all those vets were just depth signings.

oh wait.... hahaa.

ps. ur lineup is prolly spoton. assuming both Atkinson and Cooter dont explode.

 

[flyerslducks]

Anyone else thoroughly underwhelmed by Briere’s tenure as GM so far? The only real “rebuilding move” was trading Provorov.


Positioning themselves to be as bad as possible for a few seasons by trading Laughton, Konecny, & Sanheim (accepting whatever for him because the bonus of subtracting him is the cap space savings) are all things that could’ve been done to facilitate a genuine rebuild. This is a half-assed rebuild at best so far.

Hopefully it still happens. I am not as optimistic as many about our team being in the bottom 5. Couts, Atkinson are big additions. We need to trade as many people as we can to get top 5 this year. Hart is my main guy I want to see gone so petterson can just be shit. hopefully we don’t have a good start at all and can have briere looking to make deals sooner than the deadline

 

[CapnZin]

I’m going to speculate one of Cates or Laughton competes for that 1C job - maybe Cates as a defensive matchup only. Should be Frosts, but he’s not a torts guy. The last time Couts played, my hairline was stronger. Back injuries are very finicky and the season is a long, intense battle. I highly doubt Couts can play at a 1C level right off the bat. I’d be surprised if he gets more than 15 minutes a game until months into the season. If you want him, and more importantly his contract, you gotta play the long game with him.

 

[TB87]

It is way to early to freak out.

I was expecting more to be done at this point. The team still has more talent than they should if they want to get a high pick in next year’s draft. Especially at FWD.

 

[Jack Straw]

The days are getting shorter now.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The days are getting shorter now.

boooo...

do not mention the death of summer...

 

[BernieParent]

Deslauries-Coots-Atkinson
Hathaway-Cates-Konecny
Laughton-Frost-Tippett
Farabee-Poehling

Staal-Walker
Sanheim-Risto
York-Seeler
Zamula

Hart
Peterson

Thats my guess at Torts' line up in game 1.

Why is there still no vomit emoji??!

 

[Adam Warlock]

so much youth...

good thing all those vets were just depth signings.

oh wait.... hahaa.

ps. ur lineup is prolly spoton. assuming both Atkinson and Cooter dont explode.

It really would not surprise me...especially the dressing 7 D. I think we see a lot of that so Staal wont be scratched.

 

[BillDineen]

Edit:

Mentions skill, but also "size and grit" being how STL, BOS and LV this year won.

Asked Michkov about being moved to Sochi and being tough on teammates. Said he is ultra competitive and only 17.

Asked about autonomy and whether he has final say. Said stressed group decisions (Jones/Torts)

Traded Hayes being worried about his relationship with Torts and how it would be keeping him around in the room.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Edit:

Mentions skill, but also "size and grit" being how STL, BOS and LV this year won.

Asked Michkov about being moved to Sochi and being tough on teammates. Said he is ultra competitive and only 17.

Asked about autonomy and whether he has final say. Said stressed group decisions (Jones/Torts)

Traded Hayes being worried about his relationship with Torts and how it would be keeping him around in the room.

sameasiteverwas..

literal traded a suit for the same thing in a different suit

 

[Rebels57]

Edit:

Mentions skill, but also "size and grit" being how STL, BOS and LV this year won.

Asked Michkov about being moved to Sochi and being tough on teammates. Said he is ultra competitive and only 17.

Asked about autonomy and whether he has final say. Said stressed group decisions (Jones/Torts)

Traded Hayes being worried about his relationship with Torts and how it would be keeping him around in the room.

What a shit show

 

[deadhead]

Where do people get the idea that Torts doesn't like Frost?
Frost and Cates played even minutes since they became 1C and 2C in December.

Does Torts ride Frost hard? Sure, same way he rode St. Louis and Atkinson, he demands that his skill forwards be responsible on defense (not focused on defense, just fundamentally sound). But if they take care of business defensively, he gives them carte blanche on offense.

He pushed York to be MORE aggressive on offense, b/c York was being too careful.

Briere is right about size and grit, people assume TB was all about skill, but they had three really skilled forwards (Kucherov, Point and Stamkos), then a lot of guys like Palat, Colton, Gourde, Coleman, Goodrow, etc. and the biggest defense in the NHL. You need skill, but you also need a deep team that can contest the ice on every shift. Right now the Flyers are too small on defense and too thin on offense, they need a couple more skilled forwards, but also to build up "gritty" depth and a more physical defense. One does not preclude the other.

 

[Curufinwe]

Where do people get the idea that Torts doesn't like Frost?

Because he played him on the 4th line with useless plugs until Briere forced him to move Frost up the lineup.

You know this. We know this. And Torts is not going to notice you no matter how much fan fiction you write in support of his bizarre behavior.

Edit:

Mentions skill, but also "size and grit" being how STL, BOS and LV this year won.

Size, especially on defense, was a big part of how Vegas won.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Where do people get the idea that Torts doesn't like Frost?
Frost and Cates played even minutes since they became 1C and 2C in December.

Does Torts ride Frost hard? Sure, same way he rode St. Louis and Atkinson, he demands that his skill forwards be responsible on defense (not focused on defense, just fundamentally sound). But if they take care of business defensively, he gives them carte blanche on offense.

He pushed York to be MORE aggressive on offense, b/c York was being too careful.

Briere is right about size and grit, people assume TB was all about skill, but they had three really skilled forwards (Kucherov, Point and Stamkos), then a lot of guys like Palat, Colton, Gourde, Coleman, Goodrow, etc. and the biggest defense in the NHL. You need skill, but you also need a deep team that can contest the ice on every shift. Right now the Flyers are too small on defense and too thin on offense, they need a couple more skilled forwards, but also to build up "gritty" depth and a more physical defense. One does not preclude the other.

You keep talking about the size of Tampa Bays defense, as if that mutes them being really talented hockey players. Especially at the top of the roster.

 

[landsbergfan]

Size, especially on defense, was a big part of how Vegas won.

So was being 20 million over the cap

 

[Beef Invictus]

Edit:

Mentions skill, but also "size and grit" being how STL, BOS and LV this year won.

Asked Michkov about being moved to Sochi and being tough on teammates. Said he is ultra competitive and only 17.

Asked about autonomy and whether he has final say. Said stressed group decisions (Jones/Torts)

Traded Hayes being worried about his relationship with Torts and how it would be keeping him around in the room.

They won by being best at hockey. Focus on being best at hockey, and "size and grit" is a bonus. Not a priority. The team is incapable of understanding this.

 

[Curufinwe]

Vegas are so lucky that Mark Stone had a bad back that required multiple surgeries and limited him to playing half the season. Why cant the Flyers get lucky like that.

Heh, and Lehner is basically their Ellis.

 

[TheKingPin]

sameasiteverwas..

literal traded a suit for the same thing in a different suit

It’s a little different, but that’s only because Fletcher was so so so bad.

They need to trade the top players. That can still happen at the trade deadline or later this off-season in Harts case.

If nothing happens…it will be very frustrating. Having Michkov and Cutter is prettyy great, but they all know you need a lot more and high end assets.