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Yeah, that’s why I said a trade is very unlikely. Hertl will block a trade to any team who is not in a great location AND a perennial playoff team. Columbus and Detroit are neither of those things.
Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part II
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Jargon
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I’m not sure Hertl had the kind of year that optimizes a return for him. I’d rather keep him and see how he does next year. I’d trade Couture, maybe. But honestly, I’m not sure we really need to. I think we’re a really bad team and we’re about to be mostly made up of really young guys — we need guys like Hertl and Couture to shelter them and help them along.
spintops
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I would love to move Couture - But listening to any interview he has ever done I don't think he will ever waive his NTC. He's going to retire a Shark IMO.
I could see Hertl getting tired of losing and eventually requesting a trade, which might be a good thing for us in the future. Let Couture usher in the new generation
Jargon
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I think Hertl has some growing up to do this summer. I think he could be an amazing leader for this team but he needs to calm down a little bit and not let every loss devastate him.
tiburon12
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They still have Jalapeño Cheddar 3D Doritos in that alternate universe?
Justin Braun retires after 13 seasons.
That seemed evident when his dad was allowed to coach the last game of the regular season. Hell of a career for a late rounder
hotcabbagesoup
"I'm going to get what I deserve" -RutgerMcgroarty
which reminds me....Jumbo's playing career is now 95% sure to be over and it saddens me that he went out with just a whisper.
grier needs to bring that beautiful man back so that i can give him his due.
grier needs to bring that beautiful man back so that i can give him his due.
sharski
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I honestly think jumbo held off retirement announcement partly on the small chance of a team giving him a call, and partly because I think he wanted Marleau to have the big retirement spotlight on his own this year
Yeah. We all saw how emotional he was during the Patty ceremony. I just don't think he's ready to officially hang em up. Dude loves hockey.
Jargon
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Really, really fascinating interview with Jack Han by @Sheng Peng - highly recommend.
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Jack Han on How Keeping Karlsson Can Actually Accelerate Sharks’ Rebuild
Jack Han calls the San Jose Sharks “the most interesting team you’re not watching.” Han is perhaps best known for his work in analytics, player development, scouting, and coaching in the Toronto Maple Leafs organization. Currently, he’s a coaching consultant for ZSC Lions, Connecticut Whale, and...
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hohosaregood
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The implication seems to be that the coaches may be good and that's weird.Really, really fascinating interview with Jack Han by @Sheng Peng - highly recommend.
Jack Han on How Keeping Karlsson Can Actually Accelerate Sharks’ Rebuild
Jack Han calls the San Jose Sharks “the most interesting team you’re not watching.” Han is perhaps best known for his work in analytics, player development, scouting, and coaching in the Toronto Maple Leafs organization. Currently, he’s a coaching consultant for ZSC Lions, Connecticut Whale, and...
Le Rosbeef
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Really, really fascinating interview with Jack Han by @Sheng Peng - highly recommend.
Jack Han on How Keeping Karlsson Can Actually Accelerate Sharks’ Rebuild
Jack Han calls the San Jose Sharks “the most interesting team you’re not watching.” Han is perhaps best known for his work in analytics, player development, scouting, and coaching in the Toronto Maple Leafs organization. Currently, he’s a coaching consultant for ZSC Lions, Connecticut Whale, and...
"I think the way for San Jose to shorten the rebuild is to try to manufacture some more players who can put up points"
AND I can buy his book?
Profound.
timorous me
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Ha, yes, this seems like some serious stating of the obvious, but I think his point is more complex and kind of interesting: basically that the Sharks are playing the kind of open style of game, led by Karlsson, that can help guys put up points, which serves to raise their trade value at the deadline (whereas many bad teams, like the Sharks under Boughner, try to play lower-event hockey in order to eke out as many points as possible from tight games).
So the idea would be to keep Karlsson, since he has a hand in this, and pick up a few guys as free agents this summer--guys with good offensive potential but in need of a return to form, so ideally on a short contract--and then flip them for picks or prospects that will net us long-term value.
I'm not sure I totally buy into this, because with the right deal I think trading Karlsson would be the best move we could (realistically) make right now to bring back value, and trading him also increases the likelihood of a very high 1st rounder in 2024, but it's something to chew on.
Jargon
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Yeah, I think it’s a really interesting thought. It’s sort of what they’ve done too, they found multiple players both in our system and from the waiver wire and ended up trading them for picks, etc. I agree, I think probably it’s still worth trading him both for the assets and because he’s single-handedly preventing us from picking higher, but I found the idea clever.
I also am surprised that the coaches are employing a newer, modern system and it gives me hope that they’re actually good and just need better personnel. And if that’s the case, and they know exactly who they need for the system they’re running, I’m curious to see what kind of player Grier pursues this summer in FA, where I think he’ll at least be a little active.
I think, ultimately, after 3 years where it felt like DW was trying to force a bad hockey playing elephant through a keyhole with little rhyme or reason, it’s a little nice to feel like both GM and coaches have a very specific plan that they’re pursuing.
Stewie Griffin
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Considering we just finished 29/32 with no major injuries, and great years out of Karlsson and Couture (both of whom are due to regress) we should expect to finish 32nd in the league next year.
TheBigDrunkPanda
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To bad Vlasic didn’t retire with him
Grinner
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I'm all for Couture staying if he so chooses. I'm also good if he wants out to chase a cup. I feel the same about Hertl. EK65 I want to see traded
timorous me
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I am an unabashed Farhan supporter, so this definitely resonates with me. And what a pleasant surprise it would be if Grier actually is in the midst of implementing a version of an analytical/Moneyball approach with the Sharks.
Some people think of that in a very simple way, like it's just about saving money or getting high OBP guys, but I think it's really about finding value--and extracting value--in every way possible. Of course, this may not have been Grier's thinking right when he took over, as the Kunin deal would seemingly indicate, but even there you can see an opportunity (if Kunin returns to health and continues to improve his overall play) to flip Kunin for value at the TDL in the future. He was on pace, after all, for 13g and 21a when he got hurt. Combine that with his gritty play-style and you could see a lot of appeal to playoff teams.
Anyway, I'm just happy, like Jargon said, that we've got a different approach and way of looking at things, even if we don't all agree with every decision. As the year's gone on I think Grier and his front office mates are starting to develop a clearer sense of a plan, and that's exciting.
Skeksis25
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I just have no attachment to any current player. I remember being quite crushed when Owen Nolan was traded to the Leafs, despite it probably being the best thing to do. Never wanted Nabby, Patty or the Joes to leave the org. But now, there isn't a single player on the team that would bum me out if they are gone. Which doesn't help when the team is awful as well. I have never felt so apathetic about the team. Even with the prospects. I look around the league and I see point per game players popping up everywhere driving excitement. Players you are excited to play as in the next NHL videogame and stuff. My excitement level for this franchise has never been lower.
I have a feeling the draft is going to be another thing that doesn't go our way, we will draft some super underwhelming guy whose grit and leadership are lauded as his main attributes and we are going to just try to desperately reach for the lowest rung of mediocrity for the next decade. Really need some spark in this org.
I have a feeling the draft is going to be another thing that doesn't go our way, we will draft some super underwhelming guy whose grit and leadership are lauded as his main attributes and we are going to just try to desperately reach for the lowest rung of mediocrity for the next decade. Really need some spark in this org.
one2gamble
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This is only because they arent competing. Personalities and leadership would pop up during those playoff grinds. The compete level of this team was horrific the last 3 or so years, especially under Boog. It will swing back around here shortly.
Hodge
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The good news is that the lack of significant prospects apart from Eklund makes it extremely unlikely an influx of youth will vault us into 10th-20th overall pick territory anytime soon, especially while our veterans decline with age. That is the worst place to be in the current NHL.
We really only started the rebuild with the Meier trade two months ago. I guess you could argue the Burns trade was the beginning but I don't think Grier would have dealt him if he hadn't wanted to leave. It's going to take a long time to pay off but at least we're finally moving in the right direction.
sharks_dynasty
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I appreciate the new approach that Grier has implemented. He’s finding undervalued players and giving them a chance to enhance their value in an offensive oriented system. As some players value rises, he can trade them for picks or players that he wants long term. We should get a decent haul for Karlsson like we did for Meier. He’s astute enough not to trade good players like Barabanov or Peterson that fit the system of play, provide good value and are contributing offensively.
This approach should allow us to stock pile players and picks over time and speed up the rebuild process. Not to mention that the team is more fun to watch than when Boughner was coaching and has adapted to the current NHL style of play. We still have holes in goal, so I expect him to focus on addressing that this offseason.
This approach should allow us to stock pile players and picks over time and speed up the rebuild process. Not to mention that the team is more fun to watch than when Boughner was coaching and has adapted to the current NHL style of play. We still have holes in goal, so I expect him to focus on addressing that this offseason.
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