Value of: Jordan Binnington

[MessierThanThou]

Binner and Oilers duo against Top Teams:

.875 vs Winnipeg (Stu was .615)

.946 vs Dallas with 35 saves, then an .895 (Stu was .870 vs them)

.704 vs Washington (Stu had an .786) ...Stu a little better here.

.966 vs Colorado with 28 saves (Stu's last game vs COL: .750, Game previous: .880, First Game: .964)

vs Toronto; first game: .976 with 40 saves, second game: .946 with 35 saves
(Stu vs Toronto .857)

vs NJD .1000 with 32 saves (Pickard was an .813)

Stu does perform better against Vegas.

Not the massive outperformance over Stu that we see with Gibson or Vejmelka, but Binner does seem to perform better than Stu against top teams, and it should be stated, on a team with a far more porous D than Edmonton...as you can even see with these large number of saves.

 

[TFHockey]

Shit. The slow part about Sundqvist might be a dealbreaker, but the Oilers have been looking for a big right-shot centre and tried Noah Philp...he didn't quite fill the need.

Also, @TF_Hockey I just read somewhere that Henrique is +6 goals for, so it would be nice to keep him...but Philp's ceiling is bottom six so I think he could be moved to make room for Sundqvist?

Binnington is my first choice now after saving Canada in the Four Nations. The dude is beyond clutch, and him coming to Edmonton would give me Mike Vernon in Detroit vibes. He also has a better GSAx than Skinner or Pickard while playing behind a worse defense. I would love to see him swapped for Skinner, and maybe the Oil could even add James Reimer for peanuts to be an actual backup.

Philp isn't quite ready yet, but he is big and fast. Certainly faster than most in the bottom six. I think he should be kept. I think the Oilers brass agree with that.

Henrique.. geez. He hasn't been bad and he hasn't been great. Tough to move a guy who signed here in free agency and for less than he could've had elsewhere. And at $3 Million AAV for two years. I fear we're stuck with him. Could be worse I guess

The Oilers need an upgrade in the bottom six. I think we all know that.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Philp isn't quite ready yet, but he is big and fast. Certainly faster than most in the bottom six. I think he should be kept. I think the Oilers brass agree with that.

Henrique.. geez. He hasn't been bad and he hasn't been great. Tough to move a guy who signed here in free agency and for less than he could've had elsewhere. And at $3 Million AAV for two years. I fear we're stuck with him. Could be worse I guess

The Oilers need an upgrade in the bottom six. I think we all know that.

As nice as the bottom six add would be, goalie and Top 4 D is, even after one year, the two most pressing priorities.

 

[sfvega]

Shit. The slow part about Sundqvist might be a dealbreaker, but the Oilers have been looking for a big right-shot centre and tried Noah Philp...he didn't quite fill the need.

Also, @TF_Hockey I just read somewhere that Henrique is +6 goals for, so it would be nice to keep him...but Philp's ceiling is bottom six so I think he could be moved to make room for Sundqvist?

Binnington is my first choice now after saving Canada in the Four Nations. The dude is beyond clutch, and him coming to Edmonton would give me Mike Vernon in Detroit vibes. He also has a better GSAx than Skinner or Pickard while playing behind a worse defense. I would love to see him swapped for Skinner, and maybe the Oil could even add James Reimer for peanuts to be an actual backup.

Sunny wouldn't be the dealbreaker for any deal, really.

 

[BlueSeal]

Eh, I get what you’re saying but that’s not a fair comparison to Lou. He was always known as a premiere goaltender unlike Binnington

Yeah, let's not compare Lou to a Stanley Cup Champion Goaltender who did a ton of heavy lifting as a rookie and helped Canada win the 4 Nations tournament and had he not gotten injured might have derailed the Avs out of their last Cup.

All respect to Lou but when you want to win, you get folks who get the Job done. Binnys stats are highly deceptive because when it's time to win it all, he shows up.

Lou's still somewhere out there taking a long walk.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I'd say he's absolutely a step above those guys since he's won a cup without a star-studded roster carrying him.

And yes there are people who simply hate Binnington for some reason. They will cherry pick any sort of stat that makes him look bad and they will join any thread that mentions Binnington to comment how "bad" he is.

People don't like Binnington because he's a bit of a twat of a person. He can also let in some softies. I don't think there's any denying he's a big game goalie though.

 

[BlueSeal]

Who says I'm wrong?! Other than that phenomenal rookie season from Binnington, he's not shown to be consistent enough being a big money #1 goalie on the same level as Gibson/Markstrom. Plus at times Binnington acts immature when things don't go exactly his way. Despite Binnington's one playoff season with the Blues Cup winning run, in order I would take Gibson, then Markstrom over Binnington. Just showing up in the playoffs or for some playoff runs, doesn't make you a good goalie. Adin Hill and Matt Murray both fit that category. Regular season both goalies in their career have been okay, but both had very good playoff runs.

Stats only work for regular season nonsense. Playoffs are a whole different animal.

Binny has the experience and unlike everyone on your list was instrumental in getting the Cup to the STL, comparing him to fuggin Hill is an insult. Binny is a playoff warrior. Full stop. You can pay for that or do like the Blues did, trade for Ryan Miller who would be the company able, both in talent level and situation as a Gibson or Markstrom and potentially watch everything implode in front of your eyes like we did.

Don't fk around, if you're looking to win and need just a netminder Binny is your guy. The Oilers being lame AF about their netminding for years and years has absolutely costed them Cups, plural.

Stop that and get your guy and WIN.

 

[LaCarriere]

I think if stl retains ~2M he's becomes a better/more enticing option to be moved (if they can?).

May be a last minute trade if a contender loses a starter before the deadline, but I don't know if many teams bite at that salary unless stl takes some back.

30 goalies all with 30+ games and he's 23 in SV%. I'm guessing teams will roll with what they have unless their hand is forced. Outside of the usual suspects who you expect to be leading the stats board, theres so much parity in the middle of the pack and it usually comes down to who goalies have infront of them and what goalie can step up big for 4 rounds, not one OT period.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I think if stl retains ~2M he's becomes a better/more enticing option to be moved (if they can?).

May be a last minute trade if a contender loses a starter before the deadline, but I don't know if many teams bite at that salary unless stl takes some back.

30 goalies all with 30+ games and he's 23 in SV%. I'm guessing teams will roll with what they have unless their hand is forced. Outside of the usual suspects who you expect to be leading the stats board, theres so much parity in the middle of the pack and it usually comes down to who goalies have infront of them and what goalie can step up big for 4 rounds, not one OT period.

If you’re looking solely at this season sure. There’s going to be down sides to every goalie and a lot of it is fairly team dependent.

Last season he was probably statistics wise a top 5 goalie in the league. Year before stats wise pretty bad. That being said, the year before the defense was an absolute shit show and individually he was pretty solid which was pretty widely acknowledged by the fan base. This year both him and Hofer haven’t been as good as they were last year or the year before. But in no way does it feel like you aren’t sure what you’re going to get from him like it did in 21-22. He’s an absolute workhorse and the “antics” haven’t been a thing really since that 21-22 season even with the team context getting seriously worse. He was really good in the playoffs that season as a side note.

I don’t necessarily think retention is out of the question. It’s certainly out of the norm for Armstrong on multi-year deals. But assuming you’re looking at a nearly identical deal to the Markstrom one, our cap space likely isn’t going to be needed with the cap rising.

It’s pretty disingenuous to point to one OT period as the only separation when you’re talking about a goalie who won 16 games in one playoff run. And has a pretty good track record of showing up in big games. If you have to have a Vezina caliber goalie to make it through the regular season and reach the playoffs, you probably aren’t going to be raising the cup.