Speculation: 2022-23 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 1

[Coily]

Sturm should have taken 19 just cuz.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Sturm should have taken 19 just cuz.

It would take some pretty big balls to ask for that number as a new Shark, like Jumbo sized balls.

 

[hohosaregood]

Shoulda asked for 12

 

[OffSydes]

It would take some pretty big balls to ask for that number as a new Shark, like Jumbo sized balls.

I think it might have been a Marco reference.

 

[Sharksrule04]

So if I’m understanding you right, you want to have bad players, but players who are at least NHL bad and not literal scrubs, forcing that the Weatherbys of the org don’t get spots by default?

Okay, I get where you’re coming from here. We’ll have to agree to disagree with the Kunin thing though, that one stands out as truly the worst move Grier has made other than the 11th overall trade.

The 11th overall trade has grown on me. I was very high on Lekk and Kemell but in the current state of the Sharks getting 3 semi-high picks might be better than the 1 high pick. It looks like a lot of teams weren't as high on some of those players as most people thought being that they dropped. So right now we could have Lekk/some other player or Bystedt, Lund and Havelid.

I would definitely agree though that the Kunin move is the worst of the Grier era so far. Not because I absolutely hate Kunin, I'm fine with him as a depth player, but because it was an overpayment for a player that it seems wasn't even going to be qualified by the Preds. I think Leonard and say a 6th or 7th for Kunin would have been a fine trade, but throwing in what will likely be a high 3rd round pick seems like overpayment. Then throwing 2.75M at him also seems like overpayment.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I’ve flipped and flipped on the 11th overall trade. I think there’s a chance that someone picked in that range from 11-20 will be a top of the lineup player. I don’t see the same thing for any of Lund, Bystedt or Havelid. Now that could change, but I see them as good complimentary guys. The issue is we have accumulated seemingly plenty of good complimentary guys for the past like 4 drafts. So why not take the chance to get a top of the lineup player?

Mateychuk had an unbelievable season at his age. He was absolutely dynamite when I watched him. There’s a chance he becomes a first pairing defenseman. Maybe not, but there’s a chance. Nazar had tons of upside. Kemell and Lekkerimaki would instantly be the best shooters in the system and both had very, very good seasons and tournaments. I just don’t see the same with the three we picked. I’m sure one or multiple will play in the NHL, but in what role is yet to be seen.

I could get the strategy if we were going for a rebuild over the next two seasons and we are trying to get a true star at the top of the draft, then it becomes a numbers game of trying to find the right complimentary pieces and maybe having a ton of them works. But that’s not the strategy explicitly, and Arizona and Chicago seem to have the monopoly on tanking next year.

 

[jarr92]

I’ve flipped and flipped on the 11th overall trade. I think there’s a chance that someone picked in that range from 11-20 will be a top of the lineup player. I don’t see the same thing for any of Lund, Bystedt or Havelid. Now that could change, but I see them as good complimentary guys. The issue is we have accumulated seemingly plenty of good complimentary guys for the past like 4 drafts. So why not take the chance to get a top of the lineup player?

Mateychuk had an unbelievable season at his age. He was absolutely dynamite when I watched him. There’s a chance he becomes a first pairing defenseman. Maybe not, but there’s a chance. Nazar had tons of upside. Kemell and Lekkerimaki would instantly be the best shooters in the system and both had very, very good seasons and tournaments. I just don’t see the same with the three we picked. I’m sure one or multiple will play in the NHL, but in what role is yet to be seen.

I could get the strategy if we were going for a rebuild over the next two seasons and we are trying to get a true star at the top of the draft, then it becomes a numbers game of trying to find the right complimentary pieces and maybe having a ton of them works. But that’s not the strategy explicitly, and Arizona and Chicago seem to have the monopoly on tanking next year.

Hey come on this is future all-star Filip Bystedt we're talkin about here.

Worked for Norris

 

[hohosaregood]

I’ve flipped and flipped on the 11th overall trade. I think there’s a chance that someone picked in that range from 11-20 will be a top of the lineup player. I don’t see the same thing for any of Lund, Bystedt or Havelid. Now that could change, but I see them as good complimentary guys. The issue is we have accumulated seemingly plenty of good complimentary guys for the past like 4 drafts. So why not take the chance to get a top of the lineup player?

Mateychuk had an unbelievable season at his age. He was absolutely dynamite when I watched him. There’s a chance he becomes a first pairing defenseman. Maybe not, but there’s a chance. Nazar had tons of upside. Kemell and Lekkerimaki would instantly be the best shooters in the system and both had very, very good seasons and tournaments. I just don’t see the same with the three we picked. I’m sure one or multiple will play in the NHL, but in what role is yet to be seen.

I could get the strategy if we were going for a rebuild over the next two seasons and we are trying to get a true star at the top of the draft, then it becomes a numbers game of trying to find the right complimentary pieces and maybe having a ton of them works. But that’s not the strategy explicitly, and Arizona and Chicago seem to have the monopoly on tanking next year.

I think there's two things here. The first being to trust your scouts. We've seen some stuff from DW Jr that he liked them at 11 but not any lower than that which would point to them having a tier cutoff around 10-11. He also indicated that they had another tier from like ~18-60, where the talent level was pretty even. So if your scouts felt better about 3 guys becoming top 9 players than 1 guy becoming a top 6 player then it's a move worth thinking about.

The other thing, this is more a personal opinion, is that I think the value in the draft isn't so much in getting future line up players, it's more about acquiring trade currency. For a team like ours with so little value in the overall pool, it's not necessarily a bad idea to plant more seeds and get a few more kids that you can potentially pawn off for legit players someday. Or they replace somebody already in the lineup and you ship the old guy out. Obviously this is true regardless of the single 11OA or the three picks we got.

 

[themelkman]

So Seattle just got Bjorkstrand for almost free, but our cap space doesn’t matter at all right because there’s nothing we could do with it?

 

[TheBeard]

So Seattle just got Bjorkstrand for almost free, but our cap space doesn’t matter at all right because there’s nothing we could do with it?

I thought you wanted to take on salary along with picks, not take salary and give more picks away?

 

[Jargon]

I think there's two things here. The first being to trust your scouts. We've seen some stuff from DW Jr that he liked them at 11 but not any lower than that which would point to them having a tier cutoff around 10-11. He also indicated that they had another tier from like ~18-60, where the talent level was pretty even. So if your scouts felt better about 3 guys becoming top 9 players than 1 guy becoming a top 6 player then it's a move worth thinking about.

The other thing, this is more a personal opinion, is that I think the value in the draft isn't so much in getting future line up players, it's more about acquiring trade currency. For a team like ours with so little value in the overall pool, it's not necessarily a bad idea to plant more seeds and get a few more kids that you can potentially pawn off for legit players someday. Or they replace somebody already in the lineup and you ship the old guy out. Obviously this is true regardless of the single 11OA or the three picks we got.

Yeah, I think ultimately, our cupboards have been so bare for so long, we need quantity to just rebuild the entire farm system for both trade and development. Definitely agree.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I thought you wanted to take on salary along with picks, not take salary and give more picks away?

Bjorkstrand is a good player

 

[hohosaregood]

On the bright side, Kraken are probably out of the running for Bedard. But I'll settle for Fantilli if it comes down to it

 

[Lebanezer]

So Seattle just got Bjorkstrand for almost free, but our cap space doesn’t matter at all right because there’s nothing we could do with it?

That trade is inexplicable. All they had to do was not sign Gudbranson and then they could have moved out worse lesser pieces.

 

[jarr92]

So Seattle just got Bjorkstrand for almost free, but our cap space doesn’t matter at all right because there’s nothing we could do with it?

I'd rather not finish #11 again so I'm happy Seattle made the trade, but idk about you

 

[Saskatoon]

I’ve flipped and flipped on the 11th overall trade. I think there’s a chance that someone picked in that range from 11-20 will be a top of the lineup player. I don’t see the same thing for any of Lund, Bystedt or Havelid. Now that could change, but I see them as good complimentary guys. The issue is we have accumulated seemingly plenty of good complimentary guys for the past like 4 drafts. So why not take the chance to get a top of the lineup player?

Mateychuk had an unbelievable season at his age. He was absolutely dynamite when I watched him. There’s a chance he becomes a first pairing defenseman. Maybe not, but there’s a chance. Nazar had tons of upside. Kemell and Lekkerimaki would instantly be the best shooters in the system and both had very, very good seasons and tournaments. I just don’t see the same with the three we picked. I’m sure one or multiple will play in the NHL, but in what role is yet to be seen.

I could get the strategy if we were going for a rebuild over the next two seasons and we are trying to get a true star at the top of the draft, then it becomes a numbers game of trying to find the right complimentary pieces and maybe having a ton of them works. But that’s not the strategy explicitly, and Arizona and Chicago seem to have the monopoly on tanking next year.

I do think some people are underestimating the upside potential for Bystedt or Havelid. Sharks definitely drafted based on raw tools with those two. They absolutely could flame out but their isoalted skills are rated fairly high.

 

[themelkman]

I thought you wanted to take on salary along with picks, not take salary and give more picks away?

If I can get a first line forward for free I do that. You trade him later for a haul

I'd rather not finish #11 again so I'm happy Seattle made the trade, but idk about you

I would’ve rather spent the money on him than what we did. Come deadline time someone will pony up big for a guy like that

 

[WTFetus]

Guess the difference between Kunin and Bjorkstrand is a 4th…

 

[TheBeard]

Guess the difference between Kunin and Bjorkstrand is a 4th…

And an extra 2.7 million

 

[themelkman]

And an extra 2.7 million

And 35 points.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I will say it once again: the most valuable asset in this league is cap space. There is value in not spending to the cap because sometimes, marginally expensive top line players become available for absolutely nothing.

And before anyone accuses me of this (again), I’m not saying the Sharks should have acquired Bjorkstrand specifically. I’m saying that this trade is further proof of what I’ve been saying all along.

 

[Hodge]

If I can get a first line forward for free I do that. You trade him later for a haul


I would’ve rather spent the money on him than what we did. Come deadline time someone will pony up big for a guy like that

That’s not how the trade deadline works at all.

 

[sharski]

Brb registering capspaceboards.com

 

[wraith985]

Who needs Oliver Bjorkstrand when you have Luke Kunin, Nico Sturm, and Steven Lorentz for the same money? Certainly not the top 6 forward-starved San Jose Sharks.

 

[DG93]

So Seattle just got Bjorkstrand for almost free, but our cap space doesn’t matter at all right because there’s nothing we could do with it?

bUt hE's a LaZy PLaYeR