2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[kudymen]

The irony of "haha defense mechanism" when being presented all the reasons to cast doubt and responding just with "yeah you must be right you idiots"

 

[Striiker]

"BOB CLARKE WOULD NEVER LIE TO US"

"IT'S ALL HEXTALLS FAULT"

 

[deadhead]

See I don't actually care about that aspect. The NHL lineup for the foreseeable future to me is irrelevant. Nothing matters, as long as they don't put themselves in a spot to draft actual elite level talent. Nothing matters until that is in place, sure as shit not Farabee, York, Frost, or Cates, or Tippet.

What they need to have is a fire sale to accumulate draft assets, and more importantly more favourable draft positioning. That means moving Konecny, along with others. I think Torts is going to strongly oppose such an approach. He's not going to sit quietly should they want to move Laughton as well.

He's going to force his GM to cater to his wishes, because right now he does have carte blanche in this organization. Hayes, and TDA have already had any trade value nuked - but he's going to want them off the team no questions asked. Hayes is the perfect tank commander for the next x amount of years. TDA is a guy a team could sell off at the next deadline, and try to work with the player until then.

Actually, we have no idea what Torts will push, other than youth and speed.

He's been clear that age is one factor b/c the rebuild is going to take multiple seasons.
He's also said that contracts may dictate some moves the next couple years (eat a year or two off to make a player easier to move)

So Laughton and Hayes are clear candidates to be moved.
Provorov wants out, and Torts isn't in love with him (expresses both respect and frustration).
Seeler can be moved if they get a decent offer, but more valuable as depth than a 6th rd pick.

Risto might be a candidate, but 4x5 makes him hard to move, ditto with Sanheim.
TDA is in the doghouse, you don't get sat down for 5 games coming off your best stretch of the season unless you did something serious to piss Torts off.
Atkinson is impossible to move and a veteran Torts will like to retain on a young team.

TK has two years left, they could wait until next summer or move him now - but unless things turn around very quickly, I don't see a big money extension during a rebuild starting at 28.

Hart probably isn't available, Ersson has struggled a bit in the AHL, Kolosov is years away, and they don't know if Fedotov can make it over.

I doubt Farabee, Frost, Cates, Tippett, Foerster, York, Andrae, Zamula or Attard are available unless someone makes "an offer you can't refuse." All will be 28 or younger in 5 years (except Attard 29), that is, in their peak years when hopefully this team is a contender.

 

[bennysflyers16]

It was always Nico or Patrick and we all loved it.

There was some rumbling about Heiskanen , but this was universally praised draft pick.

We would have melted down if Makar was the pick who played at the same junior level that I wasn’t far off playing in.

End this stupid discussion

 

[Hextallent63]

I've been watching the exit interviews. they are interesting. but it keeps making me remember mike richards and some of his comments to the media. i wish someone was straight up like he was. ill always remember his one interview on the bike.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It was always Nico or Patrick and we all loved it.

There was some rumbling about Heiskanen , but this was universally praised draft pick.

We would have melted down if Makar was the pick who played at the same junior level that I wasn’t far off playing in.

End this stupid discussion

Nah, Hextall bad.

 

[Danko]

ASF Pretty much guarantees that provorov is not gonna be a flyer next season

"both the team and the player want to move on from eachother"

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It was always Nico or Patrick and we all loved it.

There was some rumbling about Heiskanen , but this was universally praised draft pick.

We would have melted down if Makar was the pick who played at the same junior level that I wasn’t far off playing in.

End this stupid discussion

We were wrong. More importantly Hextall was wrong. The scouting staff was right.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Every time I open this thread, I laugh at myself. Do you understand how weird it is that a position exists that it so unreasonble that I have to take the side of Ron Hextall and traditional hockeymen? I'm in shambles.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

ASF Pretty much guarantees that provorov is not gonna be a flyer next season

"both the team and the player want to move on from eachother"

It’s weird because Friedman has been consistently saying that for months now. But until this episode ASF has essentially been saying it’s a toss up if Provorov goes or not.

 

[deadhead]

Who cares anymore? Most of the actors responsible for a decade of futility are gone or on their way out the door.

Briere/Torts may fall flat on their faces, but at least they're committed to rebuilding, at worst in three years the Flyers are where they were in 2018, some tradeable assets, a bunch of young assets - but this time the next GM won't be forced to "aggressively reload." And hopefully the top ten picks the next few years will turn out better than Provorov and Patrick.

The lack of a viable long-term strategy meant business as usual was patching and praying.
Now they're ripped the scab off the wound and are prepared to treat the infection.

 

[deadhead]

It’s weird because Friedman has been consistently saying that for months now. But until this episode ASF has essentially been saying it’s a toss up if Provorov goes or not.

It's not that complicated, Provorov will come up for an extension in a couple years, he's not someone the Flyers were going to make the centerpiece of a rebuild with York, Andrae, Sanheim on a long-term deal, as well as Zamula and Ginning, all LHDs.

The more interesting question is whether they keep York at RHD for the near future and wait until a 1RHD falls into their lap, or do they get a veteran patch and move him back to LHD. Either way, he's their only 1st pair D-man in the organization right now.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I wouldn’t want to talk about things that showcase all the times I was wrong either.

Most of the actors responsible are gone or on their way out the door? The scouts are on their way out? Briere and Comcast are on the way out the door?

So while some things have changed, no they’re not all out the door. The stench and rot remains.

 

[deadhead]

I wouldn’t want to talk about things that showcase all the times I was wrong either.

Most of the actors responsible are gone or on their way out the door? The scouts are on their way out? Briere and Comcast are on the way out the door?

So while some things have changed, no they’re not all out the door. The stench and rot remains.

Briere has no responsibility for the mistakes of the past.
"Comcast" was Scott. He's gone.

I'll bet there will be a shakeup in the scouting departments over the next two years, b/c of overlapping contracts, it's hard to immediately change everything (people you want may not come available for a while).

 

[TheKingPin]

Sounds like Provy is gone for a mid to late 1st.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere has no responsibility for the mistakes of the past.
"Comcast" was Scott. He's gone.

I'll bet there will be a shakeup in the scouting departments over the next two years, b/c of overlapping contracts, it's hard to immediately change everything (people you want may not come available for a while).

Comcast allowed Scott to do what he did and get the organization to where it is. They’re just as guilty.

To believe that Comcast was simply just Scott is completely shortsighted. We don’t agree here but Comcast tying it’s wagon to Tortorella is an example that shows they are still a problem.

 

[bennysflyers16]

We were wrong. More importantly Hextall was wrong. The scouting staff was right.

I was wrong in grade 11 when I broke up with the hottest girl in school.

Move on.

 

[Starat327]

I was wrong in grade 11 when I broke up with the hottest girl in school.

Move on.

Man, that sucks. I've never been wrong.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I was wrong in grade 11 when I broke up with the hottest girl in school.

Move on.

Nah, you were right. She didn’t deserve you.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The funniest part of the latest STG was that guy Russ calling out Mytreus again for going along with the Flyers created narrative heading into this year that things aren’t as bad as they appear(ed) in those summer round tables.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The funniest part of the latest STG was that guy Russ calling out Mytreus again for going along with the Flyers created narrative heading into this year that things aren’t as bad as they appear(ed) in those summer round tables.

Someone should tell Russ that he’s employed by the team and he can’t talk about those things but he’s totally not a shill.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Someone should tell Russ that he’s employed by the team and he can’t talk about those things but he’s totally not a shill.

He essentially added that caveat but said they still deserve criticism as those summer videos tried to create a narrative that fans are just being negative & they're fans for a reason as a defense mechanism.

 

[Flyer lurker]

It was always Nico or Patrick and we all loved it.

There was some rumbling about Heiskanen , but this was universally praised draft pick.

We would have melted down if Makar was the pick who played at the same junior level that I wasn’t far off playing in.

End this stupid discussion

There are easy things to blame hexy for.
Rubesov, Jay O brien go to town the criticism is deserved.

Why the revisionist nonsense goes on about Patrick I don't get. The only case you can make is the the flyer medical specialists are the worst in the league (see Ryan Ellis). But unless you have proof before the draft than flyers writers or fans on here were SAYING Makar will be a superstar and best pick in the draft, just keep your peace. ! Three/Four year revisionist nonsense when you knew Patrick wasn't going to make it, is not proof. Unless u mean proof that Clarke is a horse's backside.

 

[TB87]

But until this episode ASF has essentially been saying it’s a toss up if Provorov goes or not.

Charlie was saying on the latest BSH that there are STILL some in the front office who are concerned about who will replace Provorov’s minutes lol. Provorov has genuinely played like shit for 3 straight seasons. They’re now in a “rebuild.” Why should they give a flying f*** about this? Losing is now the goal. Anyone can take those minutes, and if (insert player name here) fails, it’s all the better because it’d lead to more losses.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Charlie was saying on the latest BSH that there are STILL some in the front office who are concerned about who will replace Provorov’s minutes lol. Provorov has genuinely played like shit for 3 straight seasons. They’re now in a “rebuild.” Why should they give a flying f*** about this? Losing is now the goal. Anyone can take those minutes, and if (insert player name here) fails, it’s all the better because it’d lead to more losses.

Yeah that’s more of what I was getting out. I’m guessing Friedman was more so weighing what he was hearing from Provorov’s camp where they 100% want(ed) out. As where ASF was weighing what he was hearing from the Flyers more so. Where I’d imagine there was still some who perhaps wanted to see if they could repair the relationship.