2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[freakydallas13]

If they pick 13th, they take Suzuki

 

[Magua]

Now I don’t have to type a response. This about covers it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Bob Clarke would definitely tell you they had Suzuki if they stayed at #13.

 

[freakydallas13]

Bob Clarke would definitely tell you they had Suzuki if they stayed at #13.

He'd just wait until 2021 to tell you about it.

 

[renberg]

In the end, it’s an immeasurably boring topic with nothing to learn. It’s a tactful distraction.

Agreed. Better conversation would be how do the Flyers clean up this mess. Who should stay? Who should go? What can the club reasonably expect to get in exchange for these guys?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I don't like it, so everyone must be lying about it. Hell of a defense mechanism.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Agreed. Better conversation would be how do the Flyers clean up this mess. Who should stay? Who should go? What can the club reasonably expect to get in exchange for these guys?

I think the meaningful answer here is that it depends on how they're valued around the league and by which teams. They don't have anyone who should be untouchable. With pieces like Provorov and Sanehim, you don't just need interested teams. You need the ones that have the right assets. Setting out to trade any one specific player is something I would criticize heavily.

They also don't have anyone who absolutely can't come back unless there are real problems with Hayes. But I'm not taking back Gudbranson to do it unless real assets are coming back. Hayes and Tortorella can be adults about it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't like it, so everyone must be lying about it. Hell of a defense mechanism.

It’s ironic because we’re not the ones that are using a defense mechanism here.

You’re ignoring legitimate reasons to cast doubt on it being reality because you can’t possibly believe that you’re wrong.

We don’t give a shit about Hextall being wrong. We’ve all talked about for years how terrible of a job he did despite being constantly told that we are Hextall stans.

It’s how the organization and Clarke have operated for years. It’s pure propaganda to protect the shield and their buddies.

 

[FlyTimmo]

This same convo with the same people will likely happen again in 3 months

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This same convo with the same people will likely happen again in 3 months

Less than.

 

[IronMarshal]

I resemble that remark. I take the dogs for walks and grew up during the Jurassic Era.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Ignoring their scouts to take the alleged "consensus" #2 in Nolan Patrick was the biggest mistake this franchise has made in years, and they're paying for it dearly.

So I really don't support that they rely on an alleged "consensus" instead of doing their own work.

Granted, the JOB pick was way outside the consensus, and ended up a bust, but that was a Hextall/Pryor pick.

I actually think their drafting under Flahr is going to end up looking pretty good. But admittedly still to be determined.

How many more times are you going to voice this garbage take considering you so fervently defended and loved the Patrick pick at the time?

 

[Magua]

Bob Clarke would definitely tell you they had Suzuki if they stayed at #13.

Actually, the scouts had Jason Robertson and Robert Thomas tied at 13. Suzuki was next.

After Hextall was canned, a new manager came in, with the same scouting staff, and declared Ratcliffe an untouchable level prospect from that class. Makes you think.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The players have literally seen more success when they’ve ignored the coaches and instead played the way they knew worked.

Multiple players have admitted to being happy to get away from this teams awful coaching/management and their horrible archaic ways.

It's as un-fun for the players as it is to watch.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ah yes, January 2021. No reason you don't hear about disorder in who to draft in 2017 until this point. None at all.

Very strange coincidence that no one talks about this until years after Patrick is drafted.

Veeeeeerrrrrrry strange.

The Fletcher Era saw the leakiest FO we've known in ages. But that bombshell magically stayed secret.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don't like it, so everyone must be lying about it. Hell of a defense mechanism.

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[Beef Invictus]

My favorite part about the Patrick pick totally ruining the franchise discourse is they were slated to pick 13th. Yes, it stings, even if they made the chalk pick. But it’s also not as if they went scorched earth for that pick. Fletcher traded the 13th overall pick (+) to rent a 3rd pair defenseman.

It was a stroke of superb luck in the first place. And it’s impossible to separate Patrick’s brain issues — he looked like he was on the path to being at least a useful player in his first 2 seasons. Him “busting” is complicated. And if the Flyers didn’t win the 2nd pick, I also don’t expect them to trade Schenn. Which means this talent deprived team would not have Farabee or Frost.

In the end, it’s an immeasurably boring topic with nothing to learn. It’s a tactful distraction.

Even more fun is the argument that the Schenn trade was some massive Hextall loss. Because Farabee doesn't exist or something and until he suddenly changed course to play the world's worst attempt at a gotcha, he adamantly insisted Frost is a bust.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If they pick 13th, they take Suzuki, so they still might have traded Schenn during the draft.

But at this point, whining about Holmgren, Hextall or Fletcher is pointless. Ancient history.
All that matters is the rebuild going forward.

I have no idea why you assume they'd take Suzuki.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't like it, so everyone must be lying about it. Hell of a defense mechanism.

Not everyone. Just the one guy with a rich history of lying whose story changed and makes no sense. And which has been refuted for being inaccurate.

 

[Chinatown88]

Sometimes I look read through this thread and look at the 3432432432 attempt from esteemed posters to engage in discourse only to see that it has gone the same way for the 3243242323 time and I'm at this stage with all of you folks.

 

[Tripod]

I have no idea why you assume they'd take Suzuki.

Because the ALWAYS draft the best guys with every pick. Except when they don’t....then they claim they were going to but got overruled by a fired GM.

Didn't you hear? We had Stankoven above Andrea, but Fletch vetoed it. We will hear it soon.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Yup. All a grand conspiracy cooked up by Bob Clarke and spread to various reporters across the NHL. Evil bastard.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yup. All a grand conspiracy cooked up by Bob Clarke and spread to various reporters across the NHL. Evil bastard.

Not a conspiracy. Just one dude lying followed by others in the org contradicting him.

Constantly misrepresenting what is being said makes your position look bad and harms your credibility.

 

[Curufinwe]

Clarke wanted them to take Pastrnak in 2014 and Debrincat in 2016.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Clarke wanted them to take Pastrnak in 2014 and Debrincat in 2016.

It’s crazy to think that if Clarke had his way we could be icing a team with:
Pettersson/Makar/Miro
Robertson
Tage
Rantanen
Pastranak
Morrissey
Skjei