2022/23 Roster Thread XX: Heading into the Homestretch

[CanadianFlyer88]

Fenway Sports Group actually prefers that the teams they own are good.

Three mid-table top league clubs in 2023. Not exactly a beacon of success...

 

[Redpath]

Oh, you don't know? I know. Let me show you:

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Someone remind me, who took over as GM a month before the 1984 draft?

I'm curious, if the Flyers hire Costonguay, what will the Clarke connection be?

I don't see the value in Clarke caring about a guy that he knew 30 years ago and hasn't worked with since.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm curious, if the Flyers hire Costonguay, what will the Clarke connection be?

I don't see the value in Clarke caring about a guy that he knew 30 years ago and hasn't worked with since.

I think her connection is to the firm hired to affirm his opinions?

 

[Redpath]

I think her connection is to the firm hired to affirm his opinions?

So anyone hired by the Flyers is inherently a Clarke crony?

 

[Beef Invictus]

So anyone hired by the Flyers is inherently a Clarke crony?

A Clarke crony or getting hooked up by this firm we have no reason to trust. That's how they work. That's their process.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Do we need to break out the flow chart again?

 

[Redpath]

A Clarke crony or getting hooked up by this firm we have no reason to trust. That's how they work. That's their process.

So the Flyers are apparently subverting the normal country club process by hiring an unaffiliated third party to vet candidates, one of which by all accounts completely defies the traditional Flyers mold, and there are still issues with that?

I can understand if you don't trust Hilferty because, well, we don't know anything about him, but it seems like you're just coming to the conclusion that you want to come to.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So the Flyers are apparently subverting the normal country club process by hiring an unaffiliated third party to vet candidates, one of which by all accounts completely defies the traditional Flyers mold, and there are still issues with that?

I can understand if you don't trust Hilferty because, well, we don't know anything about him, but it seems like you're just coming to the conclusion that you want to come to.

Well the last time they hired this firm, IIRC, at least two of the HC finalists were former clients of the Neil Glasberg who also happens to run the firm. The Flyers didn’t view this as a problem and hired a Glasberg client anyway in Tortorella.

So… they’re still conducting incompetent process.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t think Mellanby is a Clarke crony. If he was he would of been employed here a long time ago in some capacity. I didn’t pay attention to his work as a scout or whatever position he has held so I am meh on it anyway.
They have a long way to go to earn the trust of the fanbase on who they hire being the right person. I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So the Flyers are apparently subverting the normal country club process by hiring an unaffiliated third party to vet candidates, one of which by all accounts completely defies the traditional Flyers mold, and there are still issues with that?

I can understand if you don't trust Hilferty because, well, we don't know anything about him, but it seems like you're just coming to the conclusion that you want to come to.

It sure seems like this firm is more interested in helping their buddies more than they're interested in helping the Flyers. Why shouldn't there be an issue with that?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don’t think Mellanby is a Clarke crony. If he was he would of been employed here a long time ago in some capacity. I didn’t pay attention to his work as a scout or whatever position he has held so I am meh on it anyway.
They have a long way to go to earn the trust of the fanbase on who they hire being the right person. I hope they prove me wrong.

A Clarke crony? Nah, but it's annoying how often there has to be some connection. Even Doug Wilson, who briefly seemed like he might be an outsider, worked under Lombardi for several years. There isn't an original thought anywhere in this organization.

 

[Magua]

Well the last time they hired this firm, IIRC, at least two of the HC finalists were former clients of the Neil Glasberg who also happens to run the firm. The Flyers didn’t view this as a problem and hired a Glasberg client anyway in Tortorella.

So… they’re still conducting incompetent process.

Between this absolutely partial hiring firm and asking Billy King — the Peter Chiarelli of NBA GMs — to assist in the hire, I don’t know how anyone can conclude this isn’t incompetence.

Okay, so what if it’s not a Clarke crony if these are the people doing the search? It’s one extra thin layer up from rock bottom. If you’re optimistic, you’re not paying attention.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Costonguay: Another beneficiary of this firm that tells the Cronies what they want to hear to hook up their people
Wilson: Came up under Lombardi
Shero: Has known Clarke since childhood
Mellanby: Drafted by Clarke, played for him for years, brought to Florida by Clarke

That the list so far? Anyone I'm forgetting? Anyone, I hope, without clear prior connections to the advisors or a consulting firm that concluded a 2003 approach is wise in 2023 to pander to the advisors and bilk future money out of them?

 

[Redpath]

Well the last time they hired this firm, IIRC, at least two of the HC finalists were former clients of the Neil Glasberg who also happens to run the firm. The Flyers didn’t view this as a problem and hired a Glasberg client anyway in Tortorella.

So… they’re still conducting incompetent process.

It sure seems like this firm is more interested in helping their buddies more than they're interested in helping the Flyers. Why shouldn't there be an issue with that?

Sure, but it will be Hilferty and (possibly Briere's) decision. Unless Glasberg has a gun to their head, Hilferty hiring Costonguay would be a hire totally unrelated to him and the Flyer franchise, which I would have thought would be the dream for anyone bemoaning Clarke's cronyism.

If the Hurricanes were a Glasberg client, would that disqualify Tulsky?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sure, but it will be Hilferty and (possibly Briere's) decision. Unless Glasberg has a gun to their head, Hilferty hiring Costonguay would be a hire totally unrelated to him and the Flyer franchise, which I would have thought would be the dream for anyone bemoaning Clarke's cronyism.

If the Hurricanes were a Glasberg client, would that disqualify Tulsky?

Even if it were Tulsky I'd be immediately concerned that they're feeding the Cronies BS they want to hear to get him hired. Looking out for their own interest and not their client's. I'd rather not have any hires come through this firm after the suspicious coaching "search."

I'd like to say she's the least evil of the candidates, but she's got the Vancouver stain on her. It figures the one time they kinda branch out, they branch out to another bottom-management organization.

 

[Redpath]

Even if it were Tulsky I'd be immediately concerned that they're feeding the Cronies BS they want to hear to get him hired. Looking out for their own interest and not their client's. I'd rather not have any hires come through this firm after the suspicious coaching "search."

I'd like to say she's the least evil of the candidates, but she's got the Vancouver stain on her. It figures the one time they kinda branch out, they branch out to another bottom-management organization.

If BS needs to be fed to the cronies to allow someone to get hired (Which I don't even buy), wouldn't you want them to be fed BS to rubberstamp an otherwise non-crony, progressive, qualified hire?

 

[Rebels57]

Even if it were Tulsky I'd be immediately concerned that they're feeding the Cronies BS they want to hear to get him hired. Looking out for their own interest and not their client's. I'd rather not have any hires come through this firm after the suspicious coaching "search."

I'd like to say she's the least evil of the candidates, but she's got the Vancouver stain on her. It figures the one time they kinda branch out, they branch out to another bottom-management organization.

She has no qualifications whatsoever and is currently being sued for a human rights violation. She's at the very bottom of my ranking.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If BS needs to be fed to the cronies to allow someone to get hired (Which I don't even buy), wouldn't you want them to be fed BS to rubberstamp an otherwise non-crony, progressive, qualified hire?

We sure she's progressive and qualified? Vancouver.

And the last person they supplied was the coprolite Tortorella.

 

[Magua]

I’d have a scrap of hope if Briere wasn’t being named GM without even a hint of consideration of other names. It’s just next up in the incest line. If he’s so chummy chummy with Comcast, knows the business side of the team well, and has his own overarching vision, maybe he’d even be a suitable President. He’d have some roster say, but they’d look for a shrewder hand in the weeds of roster building and unearthing competitive edges.

As it is, they’re using suspect resources to hire either a whatever PR person, so Briere has no real help besides whatever the f*** our analytics department is, and likely a holdover immovable Brent Flahr……..or a mediocre retread HockeyGuy who knows the ins and outs of bad trades and brunch at resort & spa NHL manager meetings. The processes stink to high heaven.

 

[Redpath]

We sure she's progressive and qualified? Vancouver.

And the last person they supplied was the coprolite Tortorella.

Progressive in that she's a young, non-hockey player, Flyer unaffiliated candidate? Yes

I'd say she's no less qualified than other successful Hockey Op Presidents we've seen league-wide.

And she's a different human being than Tortorella, so I'm sure we as fans are able to independently vet the two.

I don't even want her based off the worrying "we want the PoHO to be a marketing tool" mindset, but on the surface she seems like an ideal candidate that should be a welcome break from anyone worried about hiring Clarke-connected candidates.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Progressive in that she's a young, non-hockey player, Flyer unaffiliated candidate? Yes

I'd say she's no less qualified than other successful Hockey Op Presidents we've seen league-wide.

And she's a different human being than Tortorella, so I'm sure we as fans are able to independently vet the two.

I don't even want her based off the worrying "we want the PoHO to be a marketing tool" mindset, but on the surface she seems like an ideal candidate that should be a welcome break from anyone worried about hiring Clarke-connected candidates.

She's currently at Vancouver, so she isn't being successful. And as I've said, she ends up not being ideal because I have issue with this stupid firm.

Edit: As you mentioned though, the nature of the position as they've described it isn't great. If she's hired, and she is just more of the usual same Flyers stuff, then they'll let her provide real input. If she's actually different and modern-thinking about the game, then it'll be "shut up and tell the story."

 

[renberg]

The reality is that Hilferty, Camillo, Tortorella and Briere are fixtures in the FO. Whoever gets hired as Pres is going to have to be able to work with them. This is the FO team. We’ll have to see how successful they can be. They will be what their record says that they are. If they rebuild and grow, they’ll be kept around. If not, like Fletcher this year, they’ll be out with the evening trash. What the fans currently think of this new group matters very little. Railing for or against specific individuals does nothing. It’s Comcast’s call.

 

[Striiker]

As it is, they’re using suspect resources to hire either a whatever PR person, so Briere has no real help besides whatever the f*** our analytics department is, and likely a holdover immovable Brent Flahr……..or a mediocre retread HockeyGuy who knows the ins and outs of bad trades and brunch at resort & spa NHL manager meetings. The processes stink to high heaven.

You forgot Tortorella.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

LOCKED.

Moving forward -- 2023/24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate