2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[LegionOfDoom91]

Dave Scott never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

 

[deadhead]

It all comes down to Scott, or if he retires, Camillo.
The boss empowers those under him, the idea that Fletcher or Clarke or anyone else runs the show is silly.
The boss can delegate his (her) authority, but it's still his responsibility.

If Scott doesn't want to do his homework (the Internet means the "Truth Is Out There"), and relies on his "senior advisors", that's his fault. A senior executive should be able to think for himself and develop his own sources of information.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It all comes down to Scott, or if he retires, Camillo.
The boss empowers those under him, the idea that Fletcher or Clarke or anyone else runs the show is silly.
The boss can delegate his (her) authority, but it's still his responsibility.

If Scott doesn't want to do his homework (the Internet means the "Truth Is Out There"), and relies on his "senior advisors", that's his fault. A senior executive should be able to think for himself and develop his own sources of information.

Please don’t ever talk about Paul Holmgren ever again then.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's ridiculous and emblematic of this team's broken values that he didn't start in the NHL.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It all comes down to Scott, or if he retires, Camillo.
The boss empowers those under him, the idea that Fletcher or Clarke or anyone else runs the show is silly.
The boss can delegate his (her) authority, but it's still his responsibility.

If Scott doesn't want to do his homework (the Internet means the "Truth Is Out There"), and relies on his "senior advisors", that's his fault. A senior executive should be able to think for himself and develop his own sources of information.

Scott empowered Fletcher. Fletcher has established the current highly dysfunctional, collaborative modus operandi.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's ridiculous and emblematic of this team's broken values that he didn't start in the NHL.

His stint in the AHL made him who he is today. Didn’t you see how shitty he played in camp and in preseason?!

 

[IronMarshal]

Dave Scott never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

That depends on the size of school you attend. If the school is small enough, everyone is a varsity athlete. If you go to a school like I did with 1100 in the graduating class, you had better be really good, or really connected.

 

[Striiker]

We have a GM who has the best FA on the market throwing himself at him, and he had to sign elsewhere because he was too lazy to move JVR.

He didn’t even need to move JVR.

He just needed to not f*** our cap situation by throwing money at guys like Hayes, Ristolainen, Provorov, TDA, Deslauriers, MacEwen, etc.

 

[BiggE]

Lol.

The level of cronyism dysfunctional ineptitude in this organization is staggering.

 

[deadhead]

Please don’t ever talk about Paul Holmgren ever again then.

Holmgren was empowered by Snider, sort of like that painting in the Sistine Chapel.

His stint in the AHL made him who he is today. Didn’t you see how shitty he played in camp and in preseason?!

He didn't look like this in TC or the first couple AHL games I saw, wasn't moving nearly as well, especially laterally.
He's not a speed merchant, it's his agility and vision that makes him special.

I buy into the theory that some reporter put out that he bulked up too much over the summer and got too stiff as a skater, have to find the golden mean, he needed strength but you have to do it the right way without impairing your mobility.

PS: Mtl fans, we didn't just get York, we also got a 2nd rd pick that we packaged to move up and get Brink at #35.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Holmgren was empowered by Snider, sort of like that painting in the Sistine Chapel.


He didn't look like this in TC or the first couple AHL games I saw, wasn't moving nearly as well, especially laterally.
He's not a speed merchant, it's his agility and vision that makes him special.

I buy into the theory that some reporter put out that he bulked up too much over the summer and got too stiff as a skater, have to find the golden mean, he needed strength but you have to do it the right way without impairing your mobility.

PS: Mtl fans, we didn't just get York, we also got a 2nd rd pick that we packaged to move up and get Brink at #35.

Ed Snider was dead for two years before Fletcher was even hired. And Holmgren was bowing to Clarke by then, hence the hiring of his stooge. They have both been open about that. Your narrative of Holmgren being the puppet master and at the heart of blame rather than Fletcher is made up. It's not real. It flies in the face of all information we have, including information straight from the (hopefully virginal) horses' mouths.


Practice is a shitty sample size. AHL under Lappy is not a great measuring stick either. He had ample NHL time showing he should have been on the roster to start. Pretty much every call the team, and you, make based on tiny samples and practice ends up being much less correct than calls built on real actual games and large samples.

 

[wasup]

I don't need a card for that . Go look at my post today from yesterdays game . He is making good smart decisions but good ole Torts keep trotting out TDA cause he's the man . FFS

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Who is Ant talking about?

"And at the top is Scott, who right now is running the Flyers much in the way Uncle Junior Soprano was running the crime family. He’s in charge, but we all know who’s really pulling the strings."

 

[deadhead]

Ed Snider was dead for two years before Fletcher was even hired. And Holmgren was bowing to Clarke by then, hence the hiring of his stooge. They have both been open about that. Your narrative of Holmgren being the puppet master and at the heart of blame rather than Fletcher is made up. It's not real. It flies in the face of all information we have, including information straight from the (hopefully virginal) horses' mouths.


Practice is a shitty sample size. AHL under Lappy is not a great measuring stick either. He had ample NHL time showing he should have been on the roster to start. Pretty much every call the team, and you, make based on tiny samples and practice ends up being much less correct than calls built on real actual games and large samples.

You can watch a guy skate and it's pretty obvious when he's not demonstrating fluid movement.
York needed that time in the AHL, he's a completely different player than three months ago.

Holmgren didn't rebuild after the Carter/Richards trades, traded for and signed AMac, and fired Hextall for failing to win now.
Whether Clarke or Holmgren decided on Fletcher, Holmgren publicly stated he was hired to win now and that was the mandate.

So how much blame should go to Holmgren v Clarke is irrelevant, they were both on the same page and wanted a GM who'd wheel and deal and get them back to the playoffs and end the rebuild.

 

[GKJ]

We knew about three cronyism. Where’s the chart?

ASF managed to take it back to day 1 of the franchise.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You can watch a guy skate and it's pretty obvious when he's not demonstrating fluid movement.
York needed that time in the AHL, he's a completely different player than three months ago.

Holmgren didn't rebuild after the Carter/Richards trades, traded for and signed AMac, and fired Hextall for failing to win now.
Whether Clarke or Holmgren decided on Fletcher, Holmgren publicly stated he was hired to win now and that was the mandate.

So how much blame should go to Holmgren v Clarke is irrelevant, they were both on the same page and wanted a GM who'd wheel and deal and get them back to the playoffs and end the rebuild.

York is the same player he was last year. The difference is that he has confidence and knows he can be more ambitious without being punished. Same good decision making. He didn't have a massive renaissance that made him "completely different" in 20 games under a coach prone to suppressing his best traits. If you want an example of a light bulb going off it's Tippett, not York.

Clarke has made it clear that he was the major driving behind Hextall being fired because he was angry at being left out. Holmgren exists because of Clarke. I have no idea why you want to pretend Holmgren is the big boogeyman, when you have to step over the much bigger problem to get to him. And after being hired, and being made the entire power structure along with his fat little pet Flahr, he's the reason for this corrosive and dysfunctional "collaboration" crap where he's empowered a bunch of delusional morons to slake their egos' thirsts.

 

[deadhead]

York is the same player he was last year. The difference is that he has confidence and knows he can be more ambitious without being punished. Same good decision making. He didn't have a massive renaissance that made him "completely different" in 20 games under a coach prone to suppressing his best traits. If you want an example of a light bulb going off it's Tippett, not York.

Clarke has made it clear that he was the major driving behind Hextall being fired because he was angry at being left out. Holmgren exists because of Clarke. I have no idea why you want to pretend Holmgren is the big boogeyman, when you have to step over the much bigger problem to get to him. And after being hired, and being made the entire power structure along with his fat little pet Flahr, he's the reason for this corrosive and dysfunctional "collaboration" crap where he's empowered a bunch of delusional morons to slake their egos' thirsts.

So you're saying when Holgmren was GM and Vice President, he was calling Bobby every day and asking him what to do?

 

[BiggE]

York is the same player he was last year. The difference is that he has confidence and knows he can be more ambitious without being punished. Same good decision making. He didn't have a massive renaissance that made him "completely different" in 20 games under a coach prone to suppressing his best traits. If you want an example of a light bulb going off it's Tippett, not York.

Clarke has made it clear that he was the major driving behind Hextall being fired because he was angry at being left out. Holmgren exists because of Clarke. I have no idea why you want to pretend Holmgren is the big boogeyman, when you have to step over the much bigger problem to get to him. And after being hired, and being made the entire power structure along with his fat little pet Flahr, he's the reason for this corrosive and dysfunctional "collaboration" crap where he's empowered a bunch of delusional morons to slake their egos' thirsts.

This franchise is screwed until all of Cuck, Clarke, Lombardi, Holmgren and Barber are shown the door. I’ll always love and respect Clarke, Barber and Homer for what they did as players, but they have long overstayed their welcome.

Cuck and Dean can just f*** off.

 

[Hextallent63]

So you're saying when Holgmren was GM and Vice President, he was calling Bobby every day and asking him what to do?

pretty much yes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So you're saying when Holgmren was GM and Vice President, he was calling Bobby every day and asking him what to do?

No, I am not saying that.

 

[freakydallas13]

With a GF/60 of 0.94, Nic D with the NTC is currently the least effective offensive forward in the entire league at ES (minimum 290 minutes).

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Three and half more years left at $1,750,000.

That's the kind of player Chuck locks up on day 1 of free agency. If he didn't, someone else would have given NDL half that!

 

[mja]

So you're saying when Holgmren was GM and Vice President, he was calling Bobby every day and asking him what to do?

Help me understand your obsession with Paul Holmgren. Is it just that you're loathe to pin any blame on Clarke out of misplaced nostalgia? What? It make absolutely no damned sense. There's no significance, no point whatsoever.

 

[deadhead]

Help me understand your obsession with Paul Holmgren. Is it just that you're loathe to pin any blame on Clarke out of misplaced nostalgia? What? It make absolutely no damned sense. There's no significance, no point whatsoever.

Whatever Clarke did, was behind the scenes. There's no evidence he played any role in day to day decisions.

So Holmgren's refusal to rebuild, his patches before Hextall, and even the firing of Hextall are his decisions.

Clarke may have pushed to dump Hextall, but Holmgren was the decision maker at the time and if you listen to Scott, all he was doing was mouthing Holmgren's words. Holmgren set the strategy and tone for the organization, then rode off into the sunset as the building burned behind him. Clarke may have influenced the hiring of Chuck, but Holmgren was going to hire someone similar, a "hockey guy" and give him the same mandate to win now, the future be damned.

I don't think it was "either/or," I'm sure Holmgren and Clarke talked on a regular basis and were generally in agreement at the time.
Now where the splits are today, who knows?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Lol.

remember when people said there was no smoke and a bunch of internet posters dont know anything about how things are actuly being run