2022/23 Roster Thread XVII: The Days are Getting Longer

[Striiker]

Lol.

Jay Snider is the hero we need right now

And ASF mentions the Red Wedding as a metaphor but it needs to be literal.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Guess it was too short notice to give Provorov his award.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Holmgren never wanted to step down as GM. He was forced out.

It was all Snider who wanted to turn it over to Hextall, and did.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Holmgren never wanted to step down as GM. He was forced out.

It was all Snider who wanted to turn it over to Hextall, and did.

Every report we have is that Homer willingly stepped aside when they were at risk of losing the heir they'd been grooming.

 

[Striiker]

WHAT?!

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If you think about it, that’s exactly as prestigious of an award as the PSWA should be giving out. Fits them perfectly.

 

[Rebels57]

That SanFillipo article was surprisingly good

 

[FlyerNutter]

I will always laugh to high hell how Meltzer laughed at Buffalo, or Edmonton like the Flyers were so much better run.

Eat up.

Also also. ASF is essentially throwing the same hockey ops team under the bus that’s leaking stories to him? How does that fly exactly.

 

[Striiker]

That SanFillipo article was surprisingly good

Bet you my left nut he hired a ghost writer.

 

[flyersnorth]

The Canucks definitely challenge the Flyers for worst-run organization.

But I took a glance at some other team sections on HF, and it's like every fanbase hates their organization. Rangers fans want Gallant fired. Panthers fans think their org is incompetent. Avs fans want to fire Bednar and the medical staff.

Funny stuff.

 

[TB87]

Avs fans want to fire Bednar and the medical staff.

Avs fan’s understandably want their medical staff fired. Their players get injured A LOT. A lot, a lot.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Canucks definitely challenge the Flyers for worst-run organization.

Edmonton is in the mix too, don’t let McDavid propping that thing up fool ya.

 

[Curufinwe]

Imagine how much better the Flyers future would be if Fletcher traded Risto at the last deadline, and not signed DeAngelo.

They would have $10m in extra cap space and at least four more draft picks. Replace them with York and Braun in the lineup, and the Flyers would be right about the same position in the standings.

 

[ponder719]

Imagine how much better the Flyers future would be if Fletcher traded Risto at the last deadline, and not signed DeAngelo.

They would have $10m in extra cap space and at least four more draft picks. Replace them with York and Braun in the lineup, and the Flyers would be right about the same position in the standings.

I know opinions are split on whether it would have been a good idea (I'm leaning it's better than the current situation, but we still shouldn't have) but that, coincidentally, would have been enough for Gaudreau.

 

[mja]

Bet you my left nut he hired a ghost writer.

Spoiler

 

[deadhead]

Imagine how much better the Flyers future would be if Fletcher traded Risto at the last deadline, and not signed DeAngelo.

They would have $10m in extra cap space and at least four more draft picks. Replace them with York and Braun in the lineup, and the Flyers would be right about the same position in the standings.

Yes, imagine if Scott had said "enough of this futility," Chuck, either start rebuilding or start packing.
All these moves can be traced to one statement, "we're going to aggressively retool."

 

[ajgoal]

Media is slowly, very slowly, waking up to truths that have been obvious for ages.

One of the fan narratives that exists on the Interwebs is that Bob Clarke and Paul Holmgren are still pulling the roster management strings of the Flyers and they’re the reason the team is still stuck in hockey purgatory.

And while that narrative is completely wrong when it comes to making roster decisions, it’s not far off line when it comes to the malaise that looms over the franchise because of a deep-rooted history of the people in charge all being so intimately linked together.

It's almost like I've heard this argument before.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

All of these moves can be traced to one statement, "I couldn't be more happy to introduce Chuck to the Flyers organization."

And just to be clear here, we are going with the angle that Chuck Fletcher had a gun to his head when it came to re-signing Risto and didn't do it on his own volition? Cool, cool.

While i'm here though, i'm going to transcribe what came before that statement...

"We sat here about a week ago and I said this GM search process would take weeks not months and here we are days now. It feels a lot longer to me. We went through a good process and it was timely. Paul Holmgren and I had a good idea of a slate of good candidates so we really rolled up our sleeves. We dug in through the course of last week into the weekend. We kind of completed things with Chuck on Sunday and it was a good process." - Dave Scott

 

[Curufinwe]

Spending $25,500,000 on a third pairing defenseman isn't part of a retool, aggressive or otherwise. It's just bad management.

 

[deadhead]

All of these moves can be traced to one statement, "I couldn't be more happy to introduce Chuck to the Flyers organization."

And just to be clear here, we are going with the angle that Chuck Fletcher had a gun to his head when it came to re-signing Risto and didn't do it on his own volition? Cool, cool.

While i'm here though, i'm going to transcribe what came before that statement...

"We sat here about a week ago and I said this GM search process would take weeks not months and here we are days now. It feels a lot longer to me. We went through a good process and it was timely. Paul Holmgren and I had a good idea of a slate of good candidates so we really rolled up our sleeves. We dug in through the course of last week into the weekend. We kind of completed things with Chuck on Sunday and it was a good process." - Dave Scott

No mention of Clarke? He must have felt disrespected!

Like I said, I'm sure they had a slate of "hockey men" who'd go with the program, not rock the boat and buy into the "aggressive retool." If it wasn't Fletcher, it would have been someone similar.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No mention of Clarke? He must have felt disrespected!

Like I said, I'm sure they had a slate of "hockey men" who'd go with the program, not rock the boat and buy into the "aggressive retool." If it wasn't Fletcher, it would have been someone similar.

So you are, in fact, stating that Chuck Fletcher did not want Rasmus Ristolainen and just went with the flow, right?

 

[Redpath]

Imagine how much better the Flyers future would be if Fletcher traded Risto at the last deadline, and not signed DeAngelo.

They would have $10m in extra cap space and at least four more draft picks. Replace them with York and Braun in the lineup, and the Flyers would be right about the same position in the standings.

Better yet, never trade for Risto in the first place and never spend assets to lose Ghost.

Sadly enough, even if Chuck had to get rid of Ghost, his contract would be expiring this summer for free. So instead he spent picks just to move cap space for two lost seasons. I hope it was worth it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Spending $25,500,000 on a third pairing defenseman isn't part of a retool, aggressive or otherwise. It's just bad management.

And of course, somebody has to mention the exasperating price paid to get this third pair dman.

 

[mja]

Like I said, I'm sure they had a slate of "hockey men" who'd go with the program, not rock the boat and buy into the "aggressive retool." If it wasn't Fletcher, it would have been someone similar.

Yes, we know, hence our frustration with the team. You realize this doesn't absolve Fletcher but rather the opposite, right?

 

[deadhead]

So you are, in fact, stating that Chuck Fletcher did not want Rasmus Ristolainen and just went with the flow, right?

A lot of GMs lust for big RHDs, look at what Savard and Chariot got paid (both trades and extensions) and they're 2-3 years old.
It's a "hockey man" thang.

It's never been about "absolving Fletcher" but recognizing he's been scapegoated for the failures of the FO that go back a decade.

The problems go back to 2012, when Holmgren refused to recognize the obvious - with Pronger out, the rebuild should have started with the Richards/Carter trades. Pronger made that team a contender, without him they were no longer a top 8 team.

Fletcher has badly executed a bad strategy - which may end up a good thing - if he had, for example, made some better moves, the Flyers could have been a marginal playoff team for four to five years with little cap room as they sign G or JG, kept Ghost to let him walk after this season, kept Voracek only to see him on IR, etc. etc. Drafting 15-20th (and 45-50 in the 2nd rd) and ending up with a bunch of marginal prospects. Last decade repeated forever (hockey purgatory).

 

[Rebels57]

The Canucks definitely challenge the Flyers for worst-run organization.

But I took a glance at some other team sections on HF, and it's like every fanbase hates their organization. Rangers fans want Gallant fired. Panthers fans think their org is incompetent. Avs fans want to fire Bednar and the medical staff.

Funny stuff.

And yet, to be honest, only the Canucks can currently hold a candle to the Flyers.

Even the Coyotes have a competent GM with a plan right now. Even with their arena debacle at the moment, they are in a better position going forward. We will see if Armstrong can pull it off though.