2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[FLYguy3911]

Jeff was incredibly too positive about our prospects and assets - just want to note that

I was not expecting to hear an Elliot Desnoyers shoutout this morning.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I was not expecting to hear an Elliot Desnoyers shoutout this morning.

15 pts in 25 games

 

[deadhead]

I was not expecting to hear an Elliot Desnoyers shoutout this morning.

Why? He looked pretty good when I watched LHV Saturday night, not sure he's a center (other than a 4C, a bit like Laughton in that regard) but hasn't played with skilled wings until they gave him Marody. But his skating looks good, has a nice wrist shot and is polished defensively.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

so Zombie Ellis got loose.. bit Cam.. now they are both loose infecting everyone..

it truely is endofdays...

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I don't think Torts has any serious attachment to MacEwen or Seeler. He likes how they play, but they're not "his" players.

If they were a competitive team, Seeler would have a lot of value as cheap depth (on a two way deal next year). But not for a rebuild.
And Braun is definitely a goner if there's any demand (which there should be, PO teams like veterans like him as a #7 D-man who can fill in for a game or two).
MacEwen, depends what they're offered, a 4th and he's gone, a 7th and he comes back.

Come spring, I expect a lot of LHV players to be up unless they make the playoffs (in which case the AHL playoff could be better development experience than playing out the string in Philly).

Next season I expect Attard, Foerster to start, maybe Desnoyers.
Zamula/Ginning will get a shot.
And Gauthier if he keeps developing.

Wanna bet they are here after the deadline? They are his type of player. Simple as that. So you think they value a 6/7th rd pick over what Seeler brings? I do not.

Can you provide a list of teams you think Zac would crack the top 12 come playoff time that would be interested.

You can expect anything, I do not see those phantoms, Attard and Foerster , starting with the Flyers until I see what stupid moves they make in the summer. Also do not expect a lot of players up from LHV. Can you also put a number and define a lot

 

[deadhead]

Wanna bet they are here after the deadline? They are his type of player. Simple as that. So you think they value a 6/7th rd pick over what Seeler brings? I do not.

Can you provide a list of teams you think Zac would crack the top 12 come playoff time that would be interested.

You can expect anything, I do not see those phantoms, Attard and Foerster , starting with the Flyers until I see what stupid moves they make in the summer. Also do not expect a lot of players up from LHV. Can you also put a number and define a lot

Colorado could use MacEwen right now.
Dallas, Kirivanta has 4 points in 32 games at RW.
and so on. Plus between now and the TDL, a few forwards are sure to go down with injuries.

LHV players who might get cameos (if they're out of the playoffs):
Foerster, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Bellows, Attard, Zamula, Ginning, Ersson.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Colorado could use MacEwen right now.
Dallas, Kirivanta has 4 points in 32 games at RW.
and so on. Plus between now and the TDL, a few forwards are sure to go down with injuries.

So your basing it on points. I have no doubt neither team would want him in any way. They will have better options. We shall see. He is the prime exmaple of Flyers hockey baby. Wont be shocked to see an ext coming at some point.

So do you think Fletcher has done a good job as GM? yes or no.

 

[deadhead]

So your basing it on points. I have no doubt neither team would want him in any way. They will have better options. We shall see. He is the prime exmaple of Flyers hockey baby. Wont be shocked to see an ext coming at some point.

So do you think Fletcher has done a good job as GM? yes or no.

No one has done a good job at GM since 2011-12.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[blackjackmulligan]

No one has done a good job at GM since 2011-12.

That wasn't the question. So at least you now realize Chuck has done a poor job. He has failed at every turn.

 

[deadhead]

That wasn't the question. So at least you now realize Chuck has done a poor job. He has failed at every turn.

He's the culmination of ten years of futility.

Holmgren started the mess, traded for and gave AMac a 6x5 deal, then hired Hextall, who had a good start, then blew 8 1st (including two top ten) and 6 2nd rd picks, signed Weise 4x2.3 and JVR 5x7, and gave Voracek an 8x8.25M deal.

Fletcher finished the team off with the Ghost/Risto deals, signing AV and Hayes 7x7.

It was a group effort, takes a village of idiots to burn it to the ground.

 

[BernieParent]

Have you dealt with doctors, especially with someone with complicated issues?
TV doctors produce miracles, real doctors often fly by the seat of their pants making educated guesses, many which turn out to be wrong.
Sometimes crap happens and it's nobody's fault.
Often you don't find the real cause until after a "normal" rehab fails, and it becomes apparent that the original diagnosis, although reasonable at the time, was wrong.


I'd be shocked if they bought out Hayes, if you retain 50%, I'm sure there will be suitors.
It would make far more sense to retain, or take a bad veteran contract back, than buy him out.

I have dealt with many, many doctors both professionally and due to my wife's chronic illness. What sets professional athletes apart from we of the unwashed masses is that their employer also employs people to a) prevent injuries, b) diagnose injuries, and c) treat injuries, and these athletes jump all queues to get near immediate tests and procedures. I can understand the Ellis situation, despite the FO completely botching the communication of this to the fans, because it seems like a very complex and uncertain multi-factor condition. When it happens again and again, they lose all credibility. And when they have a long track record of announcing that players are near ready to return or even do come back, and then have them go right back to LTIR, that is incompetence. Then again, this is the franchise whose medical staff almost killed Lindros through misevaluation.

 

[deadhead]

I have dealt with many, many doctors both professionally and due to my wife's chronic illness. What sets professional athletes apart from we of the unwashed masses is that their employer also employs people to a) prevent injuries, b) diagnose injuries, and c) treat injuries, and these athletes jump all queues to get near immediate tests and procedures. I can understand the Ellis situation, despite the FO completely botching the communication of this to the fans, because it seems like a very complex and uncertain multi-factor condition. When it happens again and again, they lose all credibility. And when they have a long track record of announcing that players are near ready to return or even do come back, and then have them go right back to LTIR, that is incompetence. Then again, this is the franchise whose medical staff almost killed Lindros through misevaluation.

It hasn't happened "again and again."
Ellis is just plain weird.
Couts may have been a botched first surgery, but wasn't revealed until the end of his rehab, they certainly didn't rush him back.
Atkinson was injured last spring, they shut him down, he had all summer to heal.

On the other hand, Farabee was a complete success, JVR a routine broken bone, etc.
Laczynski was finally getting back to 100% off double hip surgery, when he gets injured.
Allison, breath on him and the man is on IR.
Frost shows no ill effects from his shoulder injury.
Hayes was successful surgery and rehab, but the doctors failed to identify the infection.
Brown is back after his shoulder injury.

If this happened to Brown or Laczynski instead of Ellis and Atkinson, we'd just shrug our shoulders and say too bad.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I get respecting someones wishes regarding their medical details but it's just... weird in this industry.

Going from not playing, to cleared for contact, the team posting a million videos of him battling like a psycho with Risto, to IR with a possible career ending injury.

The last few years I really struggled to watch/follow the team at all. But now they have entered the level of train wreck that it's hard to not pay attention.

 

[ugiswrong]

Fletcher sucks but we are suicidal about Isak Rosen and some second rounders, who cares. Purge Cevin and enjoy Torts and tune into other teams.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He's the culmination of ten years of futility.

Holmgren started the mess, traded for and gave AMac a 6x5 deal, then hired Hextall, who had a good start, then blew 8 1st (including two top ten) and 6 2nd rd picks, signed Weise 4x2.3 and JVR 5x7, and gave Voracek an 8x8.25M deal.

Fletcher finished the team off with the Ghost/Risto deals, signing AV and Hayes 7x7.

It was a group effort, takes a village of idiots to burn it to the ground.

Well Hextall was the one who orchestrated the Andy Mac deal by the way.

Fletcher has taken the team backwards. He has failed at every turn. This is his mess. He created it, the blaming others at this point is not valid imo.

Speaking of Hextall, wonder when he gets fired? He has done nothing despite inheriting 3 sure fire 1st ballot hall of fame players.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What have I been saying for two years?
This goes back to the Carter/Richard trades, they've been deluding themselves for a decade.

2017-18 team had 98 points, had some young players Provorov (21), TK (20), Patrick (19), Ghost (24), Couts (25), Laughton (23), Sanheim (21), but the key players were G (30), Voracek (28), Simmonds (29), Filppula (33), Raffl (29), Amac (31).

So of course they sign JVR (29) to a 5 year deal, as if they were one player away.
Then they implode in 2018-19 due to Spinal Tap goalies.

So the choice was either reset or try to win in a short window before G and Voracek aged out.

With Patrick exposed as damaged goods, Ghost hobbled with injuries, going for it was not necessarily the wrong move, the execution was b/c they didn't do it as a "crash and burn" exercise, knowing they'd have to rebuild after a couple years competing.

If you go "crash and burn," you don't give AV a 5yr deal, you don't sign Hayes to a 7 year deal, you do make the Niskanen and Braun deals, add a veteran center on a short-term deal, etc. Those moves, which I'm sure even if initiated by Fletcher, were signed off by the "brain trust," demonstrate that the FO overestimated the talent on this team, especially after they knew Patrick was damaged goods.

Otherwise, they should have traded Voracek and G while they had maximum value, taken a step back, been honest with the fan base, and spend 2-3 years building up the young talent base.

You've been saying for two years that we are two years away and that Fletcher has done a good job.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Jalen Chatfield scored against Dallas on Saturday, so now it's just Braun and Rist0 who have played 25+ games without a point.

Two players still have zero points after playing at least 25 games

They are both top 6 defenseman for Chuck Fletcher's 27th place Philadelphia Flyers. Justin Braun, 35 years old - signed to a 1 year, $1m deal on 7/13/2022 Rasmus Ristolainen, 28 years old - signed to a 5 year, $25,000,000 deal on 3/10/2022...

forums.hfboards.com

You hate to see it

 

[FLYguy3911]

Finally got the Isak Rosen bingo space I've been looking for.

 

[deadhead]

Well Hextall was the one who orchestrated the Andy Mac deal by the way.

Fletcher has taken the team backwards. He has failed at every turn. This is his mess. He created it, the blaming others at this point is not valid imo.

Speaking of Hextall, wonder when he gets fired? He has done nothing despite inheriting 3 sure fire 1st ballot hall of fame players.

Fletcher has done a bad job, but he didn't "take this team backwards."

If Fletcher had done nothing, this team would still suck, Couts and Voracek on the IR, G but no Hayes so still no top line, Ghost and Hagg instead of TDA and Risto, still wouldn't have a first pair, Patrick and Myers instead of Ellis, and so on.

We saw last year that G wasn't nearly enough to carry this team to respectability. The talent just isn't there.

The team was already dying, Fletcher just nailed the coffin shut.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher has done a bad job, but he didn't "take this team backwards."

If Fletcher had done nothing, this team would still suck, Couts and Voracek on the IR, G but no Hayes so still no top line, Ghost and Hagg instead of TDA and Risto, still wouldn't have a first pair, Patrick and Myers instead of Ellis, and so on.

We saw last year that G wasn't nearly enough to carry this team to respectability. The talent just isn't there.

The team was already dying, Fletcher just nailed the coffin shut.

When the team is vastly worse off because of your moves you have taken the team backwards. It's really simple.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Fletcher has done a bad job, but he didn't "take this team backwards."

If Fletcher had done nothing, this team would still suck, Couts and Voracek on the IR, G but no Hayes so still no top line, Ghost and Hagg instead of TDA and Risto, still wouldn't have a first pair, Patrick and Myers instead of Ellis, and so on.

We saw last year that G wasn't nearly enough to carry this team to respectability. The talent just isn't there.

The team was already dying, Fletcher just nailed the coffin shut.

He has taken them backwards. That is a simple fact. Despite what you typed above. It isn't that simple the way you describe above those things taking place.

He has no plan to fix this and never had a plan of any sort at all. He is spineless coward. Should be in jail for stealing a paycheck.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

When the team is vastly worse off because of your moves you have taken the team backwards. It's really simple.

dont you know... reverse is the new forward..

 

[TB87]

The last sentence is perfect haha

 

[flyers0909]

Fletcher has done a bad job, but he didn't "take this team backwards."

If Fletcher had done nothing, this team would still suck, Couts and Voracek on the IR, G but no Hayes so still no top line, Ghost and Hagg instead of TDA and Risto, still wouldn't have a first pair, Patrick and Myers instead of Ellis, and so on.

We saw last year that G wasn't nearly enough to carry this team to respectability. The talent just isn't there.

The team was already dying, Fletcher just nailed the coffin shut.

When the only options as a GM are doing nothing or nailing the coffin shut.