2022/23 Roster Thread XV: Where Optional Skates are Mandatory

[Hollywood Cannon]

Well he disagreed with Yandle's benching so I wouldn't say that he's an authority on the matter...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well he disagreed with Yandle's benching so I wouldn't say that he's an authority on the matter...

Such an awesome culture built by the Culture Club.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’d be playing him as many minutes as possible.

They are going to cater to the whims, and moods of a moronic HC therefore tanking any slim chance at a potential trade for Hayes.

The big picture once again eludes them. I’m not a huge Hayes defender but he’s not drawing satanic markings on the walls, or killing goats before practice. He’s not the best defensively, and has never been a player to play with unrelenting pace.

Torts needs to get over this sick fascination of a team of ditch diggers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No team in sports can slaughter value quite like the Flybags.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’d be playing him as many minutes as possible.

They are going to cater to the whims, and moods of a moronic HC therefore tanking any slim chance at a potential trade for Hayes.

The big picture once again eludes them. I’m not a huge Hayes defender but he’s not drawing satanic markings on the walls, or killing goats before practice.

Didn't you hear? Being in God Emperor Torts' doghouse is a badge of honor and it actually adds value to the player!

 

[FlyerNutter]

No team in sports can slaughter value quite like the Flybags.

There is going to come a time when Torts will be more hated than Fletcher.

Chuck is a dumbass, but at least has the knowledge to generally treat people well. I’ll give him that for the most part. We are about to be lead into the future in large part by a guy who is a proud asshole.

Curious when the marketing team stops pushing him, because it’s coming at some point.

Imagine Torts with Zegras. Early career Kane. McDavid. Tortorella was a brutal hire.

 

[deadhead]

I’d be playing him as many minutes as possible.

They are going to cater to the whims, and moods of a moronic HC therefore tanking any slim chance at a potential trade for Hayes.

The big picture once again eludes them. I’m not a huge Hayes defender but he’s not drawing satanic markings on the walls, or killing goats before practice. He’s not the best defensively, and has never been a player to play with unrelenting pace.

Torts needs to get over this sick fascination of a team of ditch diggers.

There's something Hayes is doing that sticks in Torts' craw.

TK and Tippett are making plenty of mistakes on defense, but both are making things happen on offense, and I think just as important, play with a lot of energy - it's easier to fix mistakes by young players than to get players to play with a high motor.

I think what Torts wants to prevent is players thinking if they have a hot streak on offense they can stop wprking on defense - scoring, even for top players, tends to run hot and cold - but effort and defensive play are in a player's control, unlike the bounce of a puck.

 

[Curufinwe]

Frost (1.56) and Tippet (1.64) scoring at roughly the same rate per hour at ES is not surprising. Only JVR (2.98), TK (2.45), Hayes (2.42) and Farabee (1.98) are ahead of them now .

But DeAngelo (0.73) and Seeler (0.7) being almost the same is surprising, and also disturbing. If you pay a 2nd + 3rd + 4th to bring in an offensive dman who can't defend, you would hope he could at least score a lot more at ES than a 3rd pairing nobody.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Ghost is at 1.65 ESP/60.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[FlyerNutter]

There's something Hayes is doing that sticks in Torts' craw.

TK and Tippett are making plenty of mistakes on defense, but both are making things happen on offense, and I think just as important, play with a lot of energy - it's easier to fix mistakes by young players than to get players to play with a high motor.

I think what Torts wants to prevent is players thinking if they have a hot streak on offense they can stop wprking on defense - scoring, even for top players, tends to run hot and cold - but effort and defensive play are in a player's control, unlike the bounce of a puck.

Torts is an extremely one dimensional coach, who cannot fathom someone playing the game unless the appearance of 100% balls to the wall effort is there.

Not every player in this league, got themselves to the NHL with such a style. Nor is it the most effective for every player.

Tortorella is a buffoon, that’s going to be further exposed as time goes on. He’s the worst choice for a rebuilding team that needs to focus on young talent extraction. Time will show it to be true.

This team is ready to cater to its HC. It’s why he wants Briere so badly. Catering to John Tortorella in 2022 onward.

 

[deadhead]

Torts is an extremely one dimensional coach, who cannot fathom someone playing the game unless the appearance of 100% balls to the wall effort is there.

Not every player in this league, got themselves to the NHL with such a style. Nor is it the most effective for every player.

Tortorella is a buffoon, that’s going to be further exposed as time goes on. He’s the worst choice for a rebuilding team that needs to focus on young talent extraction. Time will show it to be true.

And how many top teams have a bunch of skilled players who don't play defense.
You can get away with a Patrick Kane, but funny how DeBrincat puts up all those points and his teams still suck.
Colorado, TB, etc., how many one dimensional scorers are they carrying?

McKinnon, Point are solid defenders as well as scorers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is going to come a time when Torts will be more hated than Fletcher.

Chuck is a dumbass, but at least has the knowledge to generally treat people well. I’ll give him that for the most part. We are about to be lead into the future in large part by a guy who is a proud asshole.

Curious when the marketing team stops pushing him, because it’s coming at some point.

Imagine Torts with Zegras. Early career Kane. McDavid. Tortorella was a brutal hire.

Tortorella is open about having no understanding of the current game. He doesn't understand how current offense works. In turn that means he can't possibly scheme defensively for it. We are seeing a debacle on all fronts as a result, and as you said on top of that he is a dickhead who refuses to even bother communicating with players. They're on their own to figure out their development, or left in the clutches of Flahr and Lappy.

I wanted zero part of this guy for years, for these exact reasons. Lo and behold the guy is who we always knew he was. What a shock.

 

[FlyerNutter]

And how many top teams have a bunch of skilled players who don't play defense.
You can get away with a Patrick Kane, but funny how DeBrincat puts up all those points and his teams still suck.
Colorado, TB, etc., how many one dimensional scorers are they carrying?

McKinnon, Point are solid defenders as well as scorers.

You can feel free to stick alongside Torts.

I do not. He’s a POS, a terrible coach for a rebuilding team that has no business influencing the NHL in today’s game.

His hire is directly related to everything wrong about the Flyers, in particular to those outdated voices that continue to influence the team. They wanted him, and they believe everything he preaches.

Tortorella is a fraud.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And how many top teams have a bunch of skilled players who don't play defense.
You can get away with a Patrick Kane, but funny how DeBrincat puts up all those points and his teams still suck.
Colorado, TB, etc., how many one dimensional scorers are they carrying?

McKinnon, Point are solid defenders as well as scorers.

Debrincat's teams don't suck because of him, they suck because of everyone around him.

Please confirm that you understand this isn't the NBA where one player can make or break a team.

Feverish obsession with defense and safety over all else is a loser strategy. You win by scoring goals. The team hate scoring goals.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

There's something Hayes is doing that sticks in Torts' craw.

TK and Tippett are making plenty of mistakes on defense, but both are making things happen on offense, and I think just as important, play with a lot of energy - it's easier to fix mistakes by young players than to get players to play with a high motor.

I think what Torts wants to prevent is players thinking if they have a hot streak on offense they can stop wprking on defense - scoring, even for top players, tends to run hot and cold - but effort and defensive play are in a player's control, unlike the bounce of a puck.

Why not play to Hayes strengths instead of trying to change him at this stage? There is very little flexibility, if any in Torts approach.

How much homework you think Torts did before he took the job?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Why not play to Hayes strengths instead of trying to change him at this stage? There is very little flexibility, if any in Torts approach.

How much homework you think Torts did before he took the job?

Torts can only coach a certain type of player. The player needs to adjust to John, never the other way around.

Again, I ask to think what Torts would do should he have a Zegras, or McDavid on the team. Early career Necas, or T Thompson.

I can’t believe I’m defending Hayes, and Chuck here - but I’m starting to think Tortorella is one of the biggest issues on the Flyers. It’s terrifying he’s going to get more of a voice soon.

 

[deadhead]

Torts does not run a "safe" scheme. That is obvious to anyone who watches the games - in fact, his obsession with back checking is because he encourages them to gamble in the O-zone - but that means you're going to turn it over - so he wants everyone playing hard off the puck b/c if you get back quickly, you can end odd man rushes before they do damage. Same way D-men are encouraged to attack in the O-zone and aggressively pinch - but that requires the "high" forward to be aware of what his D-men are doing and CYA - playing aggressive won't work if you don't play smart.

Same way his forecheck is very aggressive, while he insists on winning board battles in the D-zone to nullify the forecheck of opposing teams.

This obsession with entries, Flyers have 44% clean entries, opponents 48% - duh, that means over half the time both teams are chucking and chasing - that's the reality of the NHL, especially against teams that play good enough defense to stifle clean entries - you don't get to play a horrid defensive team like Zona every night. Being good at chucking and chasing requires some speed (Flyers have improved), some toughness (hitting D-men on a regular basis makes them hesitant going for the puck), and the ability to turn puck retrievals into goals (that's lacking right now).

Torts doesn't coach offense, Sirianni doesn't coach defense. That's why you have assistant coaches.

Why not play to Hayes strengths instead of trying to change him at this stage? There is very little flexibility, if any in Torts approach.

How much homework you think Torts did before he took the job?

You have to have the right personnel, Kane had Toews, Voracek had Couts.
It's asking a bit too much for Cates to cover for Hayes this season.

 

[Danko]

So from that press conference it sounded like Farabee told Sam C that its a similar injury to what he had...So im assuming its the disk replacement thing that Jack Eichel and Farabee both had...

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’d also be intrigued where this belief in the organization came from that under Vigneault, the players ran the show.

Because everything in Alain’s career, along with Michel just screamed players coaches.

The organization has an obsession with guys like Tortorella, about players conforming to a specific mold - with no room for modern player specific development.

 

[flyersnorth]

You hate to see it

Charlie and Kelly on BSH radio made a bet on which player will get a point first. Kelly took Braun and Charlie took Risto. If Kelly wins the bet, Charlie has to go on a 60 second anti-analytics rant.

That should be fun. I want Braun to get a point asap.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts does not run a "safe" scheme. That is obvious to anyone who watches the games - in fact, his obsession with back checking is because he encourages them to gamble in the O-zone - but that means you're going to turn it over - so he wants everyone playing hard off the puck b/c if you get back quickly, you can end odd man rushes before they do damage. Same way D-men are encouraged to attack in the O-zone and aggressively pinch - but that requires the "high" forward to be aware of what his D-men are doing and CYA - playing aggressive won't work if you don't play smart.

Same way his forecheck is very aggressive, while he insists on winning board battles in the D-zone to nullify the forecheck of opposing teams.

This obsession with entries, Flyers have 44% clean entries, opponents 48% - duh, that means over half the time both teams are chucking and chasing - that's the reality of the NHL, especially against teams that play good enough defense to stifle clean entries - you don't get to play a horrid defensive team like Zona every night. Being good at chucking and chasing requires some speed (Flyers have improved), some toughness (hitting D-men on a regular basis makes them hesitant going for the puck), and the ability to turn puck retrievals into goals (that's lacking right now).

Torts doesn't coach offense, Sirianni doesn't coach defense. That's why you have assistant coaches.


You have to have the right personnel, Kane had Toews, Voracek had Couts.
It's asking a bit too much for Cates to cover for Hayes this season.

It's obvious to anyone watching it is a safe scheme. Often limited to only two forecheckers, with strong emphasis on getting back to set up the classic Tortorella shot blocking umbrella around the slot and circles. On offense there is minimal attempt to force high danger chances, despite that being the norm these days. All about safety. Like he's always been.

This is another case where you simply have zero understanding of a coach. You had zero understanding of Hakstol. Or of AV. Or of Fletcher. You have zero understand of Tortorella. You have zero idea how this team thinks. It's why you're always wrong.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What could go wrong?

 

[flyersnorth]

DeAngelo (0.73)

What are his career numbers like? Is this an outlier season for him, or right around his usual ES output?

What could go wrong?

So, dead by April?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[freakydallas13]

I’d be playing him as many minutes as possible.

They are going to cater to the whims, and moods of a moronic HC therefore tanking any slim chance at a potential trade for Hayes.

The big picture once again eludes them. I’m not a huge Hayes defender but he’s not drawing satanic markings on the walls, or killing goats before practice. He’s not the best defensively, and has never been a player to play with unrelenting pace.

Torts needs to get over this sick fascination of a team of ditch diggers.

This should surprise no one after watching management torpedo Ghost's value, then have to add to move him.

Same as it ever was.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Safe to assume this is a pre existing condition , didn't they say this was a recurring injury ?

So Cam and Ellis, his two biggest trade guys were both damaged goods !!!

Just when you think Chuckles can't get worse !!