2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Rich Nixon]

A rebuilding team has a lot of kids coming up without NHL nicknames. You need a veteran nicknamer. It's yet another reason why Hayes is such an enviable tank commander.

eNN/60 is unmatched, but that metric doesn't quite account for quality of nickname yet.

 

[Magua]

eNN/60 is unmatched, but that metric doesn't quite account for quality of nickname yet.

If the nicknames were too good, his teammates might feel inspired and do too well. His awful nicknames help their draft position, you see.

 

[deadhead]

All free agents. No team had to give up any draft picks or players as compensation. All those teams had the cap space for those players. Nobody is taking on a $7 million Hayes who has been bumped from his center position to the wing. Hayes' value is significantly diminished and as soon as other clubs heard Tortorella say Hayes has bad habits, his value dropped even further. There's all kinds of red flags with Hayes. He's a lazy, cherry picking dog who is having a career year. NHL history is filled with those sorts of players.

Torts has a history of clashing with players, so there will be GMs who will discount that.
The point is those free agents got contracts, that given their age, are as onerous or worse than the remaining term on Hayes contract.

You're not going to get a king's ransom for him, but you probably won't have to pay to dump him either.

 

[flyerslducks]

I guess that I'm blinded by trying to get Hayes out of town.

Lol don’t worry we all want him out.

 

[flyerslducks]

I guess we’re just completely forgetting that Tortorella has publicly accosted Hayes for being shit defensively.

I’m sure the other teams haven’t noticed.

Lol right?! He’s not even at the end of his contract and he’s already being shifted to wing. And the shift to wing is happening when we legit have no centers!! We signed this fat f*** because we needed a center and now he’s so slow+sucks defensively…what a massive fail.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts has a history of clashing with players, so there will be GMs who will discount that.
The point is those free agents got contracts, that given their age, are as onerous or worse than the remaining term on Hayes contract.

You're not going to get a king's ransom for him, but you probably won't have to pay to dump him either.

Why would they discount that? Why would they not push it to their advantage to fleece Fletcher?

 

[Striiker]

You don’t need to use anything to your advantage to fleece Fletcher. The idiot does everything in his power to lower a players value before an opposing GM even makes an offer.

That’s how you end up with disasters like the Ghost trade.

 

[deadhead]

Lol right?! He’s not even at the end of his contract and he’s already being shifted to wing. And the shift to wing is happening when we legit have no centers!! We signed this fat f*** because we needed a center and now he’s so slow+sucks defensively…what a massive fail.

Jake sucked defensively but everyone excused him because he scored. Same thing.
Hayes is scoring like the player they thought they were signing, and players who score 20+ goals and 60+ points have a market.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ghost: belittled because he stat pads on a bad team
Hayes: applauded because he stat pads on a bad team

 

[captainpaxil]

I can’t think of a better piece of proof that Torts is an incompetent dinosaur than the fact that he thinks playing top prospects and trying to win are two different things.

Especially on a roster that has as many sub-NHL players as this one.

Time to retire, you miserable prick.

Can you put together a roster of healthy flyers property that could be a playoff team this year? I can't think of one. Establishing buy in from the mid tier guys we have will make getting it later from more talented guys easier.

 

[edbr3ak]

Flyers development in a nutshell: Have the AGM bury a prospect in the media for being too 'cute' offensively and say he needs to be more reliable in his own end to stick in the NHL. A year later have the head coach throw the same prospect under the bus for being too timid offensively and say he needs to start producing points or there's no place for him on the NHL roster.

I just can't seem to figure out why none of our prospects reach their full potential.

 

[Magua]

Ghost: belittled because he stat pads on a bad team
Hayes: applauded because he stat pads on a bad team

The funniest part is Ghost is a PP1 defenseman on the majority of teams, with scoring usage at ES. Him being a ~50 point guy isn’t really tied into usage on a bad team. It’s just what he is in spite of a bad team.

But Hayes is finally “the player they thought they were getting.” Did they also think they were getting a bottom 5 team? It glosses over he’s a train wreck in the details, wouldn’t be on a PP1, and wouldn’t be on a top line of any team but the worst offensive one in the league. It’s the very definition of padded usage on a bottom feeder that isn’t sustainable on a good team. Huzzah. Not to mention it’s based around 20ish games of high on-ice %s.

 

[deadhead]

The funniest part is Ghost is a PP1 defenseman on the majority of teams, with scoring usage at ES. Him being a ~50 point guy isn’t really tied into usage on a bad team. It’s just what he is in spite of a bad team.

But Hayes is finally “the player they thought they were getting.” Did they also think they were getting a bottom 5 team? It glosses over he’s a train wreck in the details, wouldn’t be on a PP1, and wouldn’t be on a top line of any team but the worst offensive one in the league. It’s the very definition of padded usage on a bottom feeder that isn’t sustainable on a good team. Huzzah. Not to mention it’s based around 20ish games of high on-ice %s.

He's not on the top line of this team either. Since they don't have top line, just rotating lines.

On a good team, Ghost would be PP1 but on the 3rd line and sheltered.

Strangely enough, though due to injury, Gus is now on the 1st pair in Washington, does that make him a 1st pair D-man?
Though he seemed to have started the season on the 2nd pair, actually playing a few more seconds than Carlsson at ES (probably b/c Carlsson is playing 4+ minutes on the PP). Sheltered, has the highest rate of O-zone starts among Caps D-men.

 

[flyerslducks]

cant wait for ghost to go to a contender and net the coyotes a top pick. It will really show how much of a failure fletcher is

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Is Risto good no , is team good , if fully healthy we are not horrible . Is team managed well no .

It,s just people coming here day after day after day after day after day after day and whining the same thing all the time . Yes Deadhead is the eternal optimus and several the eternal pesimus and analytics are the favorite of the day for arguing but people acting like it is effecting their day to day life need to get a life .

And i'm not upset at all I actually feel sorry for some that HF boards is their life . It's not just this board , go to any board on here have their team lose a couple games in a row and the shy is falling down . Social media has turned into generally nothing but a bitch fest is actually quite sad .

Bro why you come here if we all are so negative. You can ignore poster. You can ignore threads. You can ignore a whole board. You can watch movies. You can play PC games. You can watch porn. You can do what ever you want.

Or you can come here.

But its your choice so stop complaining about a community that speaks bad about a bad franchise.

 

[BiggE]

Imagine if they never:
Hired AV
Dumped Ghost to make room for Fisto
Gave up a prime pick to acquire Fisto
Made things worse by extending Fisto
Not skipped on Caufield
Not blown 3 picks on TDA

Cuck, the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine if they never:
Hired AV
Dumped Ghost to make room for Fisto
Gave up a prime pick to acquire Fisto
Made things worse by extending Fisto
Not skipped on Caufield
Not blown 3 picks on TDA

Cuck, the gift that keeps on giving

I like how none of this is hindsight, either

 

[BiggE]

I like how none of this is hindsight, either

Yup, I hated every one of these moves the moment they were made. There are quite a few more, but I prefer my misery in limited doses.

 

[VladDrag]

He's not on the top line of this team either. Since they don't have top line, just rotating lines.

Hayes is leading the team in TOI/GP at 5v5. His line is very clearly the top line.

 

[TB87]

Season’s Beatings eh? A Violent Night reference? Lol

 

[Curufinwe]

Hayes is leading the team in TOI/GP at 5v5. His line is very clearly the top line.

It's just impossible to figure out who plays on the Flyers top line. A real mystery.

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Hayes 15:21
Farabee 14:21
Konecny 14;15
Laughton 13:54
Tippett 13:25
Cates 13:22
MacEwen 12:58
JVR 12:09
Frost 11:52
Allison 11:34
Bellows 10:58
Sedlak 10:36

 

[Lindberg]

It's just impossible to figure out who plays on the Flyers top line. A real mystery.

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Hayes 15:21
Farabee 14:21
Konecny 14;15
Laughton 13:54
Tippett 13:25
Cates 13:22
MacEwen 12:58
JVR 12:09
Frost 11:52
Allison 11:34
Bellows 10:58
Sedlak 10:36

That's a tough roster to look at. Adding in Couturier and Atkinson doesn't make it look that much better.

 

[flyersnorth]

I might regret asking this question - but what are people's opinion on Frost's season so far after 26 games?

3g, 3a, 6pts (12th on the team in terms of production).
On pace for 18 points.

41.1% on faceoffs.

xGF 10,1, xGA 10.3

GF/60 1.4, GA/60 2.3

Is he around where you expected?

 

[deadhead]

Imagine if they never:
Hired AV
Dumped Ghost to make room for Fisto
Gave up a prime pick to acquire Fisto
Made things worse by extending Fisto
Not skipped on Caufield
Not blown 3 picks on TDA

Cuck, the gift that keeps on giving

They'd be in the same place. Slightly better off, but nothing dramatic.

If they didn't hire AV, they'd have hired another "turn around" veteran HC.
if they kept Ghost, they would just have a similar player to TDA.
Caufield would help the scoring, but the defense would be even worse.

They'd have a decent prospect (#14), a couple more 2nd rd picks, not quite enough to jump start a rebuild.

 

[tucson83]

Flyers development in a nutshell: Have the AGM bury a prospect in the media for being too 'cute' offensively and say he needs to be more reliable in his own end to stick in the NHL. A year later have the head coach throw the same prospect under the bus for being too timid offensively and say he needs to start producing points or there's no place for him on the NHL roster.

I just can't seem to figure out why none of our prospects reach their full potential.

is their such thing as busts in nhl? or everything is the coaches fault even though some of our players that got picked up the best teams and coaching staff's in nhl arent on that roster. you are saying those coaches suck too?