2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Magua]

The smartest thing the Flyers could do in a Provorov trade (or trades in general) is be willing to take back a negative value contract for 1-2 years, opening the pool to cap strapped teams and netting another asset in the process. With JVR and Ellis' salaries freed up, they have no excuse to not buy assets. If they're spending on anything in free agency besides near minimum interesting cases or a short term flip deal, they're f***ed in the head.

 

[flyerslducks]

Yzerman is not Fletcher. He is not stupid enough to give up any DCs of value while he is doing a rebuild. He also won't give up talent on his roster. There are other places where Provorov can be dealt if Fletcher can get creative (LOL). Try Vancouver, LAK, Florida, Toronto and others for starters.

Ya fletcher will get fleeced in a deal from yzerman for sure. He would probably get oel back from van lol

 

[renberg]

Ya fletcher will get fleeced in a deal from yzerman for sure. He would probably get oel back from van lol

If he could get OEL and a signed Horvat from Vancouver for, say, Provorov and Hayes, I could handle that. Just about any trade that the Flyers make has to include ditching a dog from the Flyers kennel by attaching a quality player to him and taking on a bad contract from another club.
The League is full of clubs right now who would like to move some bad contracts or players that they can't sign. Unfortunately Fletcher won't be able to take advantage of this situation.

 

[landsbergfan]

The whole “trade Hayes while he’s hot” narrative that has been playing out is hilarious to me. I’d love to get another 25 year old prospect and a 4th as much as the next guy, but I still don’t see it happening

 

[Beef Invictus]

And how you tell them to play depends on talent, you trust a player with good vision and instincts to make a cross ice pass that won't be intercepted, you tell Allison to go north-south after a few bad passes to the other team. And you tell MacEwen to dump and chase.

I doubt anyone told Giroux what to do on the ice.

2016-17 CBJ, ES 195 (league 170)
2017-18 CBJ, ES 193 (league 183)
2018-19 CBJ, ES 214 (league 189)
2019-20 CBJ, ES 146 (league 160) after Panarin, et al. left town

Someway, somehow, teams around the league manage to get their bottom six players to attempt more than grind the perimeter. Somehow, all of them manage to be more productive through their roster from top to bottom. Somehow, they get their players to do modern offense.

If the Flyers are so utterly devoid of talent that they can't try to set up mutual support on entry for drop passes or to take a horizontal pass in the slot instead of steering to the far side to be ready when play hits the boards, then you should be howling for Fletcher's head with the rest of us. Because to be that braindead and unable to play basic hockey from top to bottom is a feat of failure shy of lobotomizing your roster one-by-one with a screwdriver and mallet. This stuff doesn't require a Cray processor for a brain or elite talent. It's normal hockey play now. It's not that advanced, at all. Just a different way of using normal skills. Is it riskier? Yes. But it pays off, a lot.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Please, please, please don't play him.

I need that content in my life.

The revolving door to the press box.

I love the implication here that Zamula IS mere org fodder.

 

[Starat327]

what about detroit for provorov? Trying to figure out what team needs defense on left side. Florida does but they don't have much cap, canucks want rhd more, can't really think who needs one besides la too.

Detroit has chiarot+maata/oesterle who are UFAs with edvinsson coming soon. They could roll provorov/edvinsson/chiarot on the left side and they have a ton of forwards to offer. They also have their picks (and an extra 2nd this year), Beggren is doing well, veleno, kasper, soderblom. Lots of young and exciting prospects + some other pieces like zadina who can be added if needed. I'm sure Detroit would try to trade bertuzzi and fletcher would resign him immediately as they want to win now tho.

DeAngelo and Bertuzzi on the same team is one way to make this team more unlikeable I guess. All they'd need to do then is sign Mitchell Miller to a long term deal after that and they'd be set.

 

[Beef Invictus]

DeAngelo and Bertuzzi on the same team is one way to make this team more unlikeable I guess. All they'd need to do then is sign Mitchell Miller to a long term deal after that and they'd be set.

Binnington as backup

 

[deadhead]

Hayes isn't getting traded until the summer, teams need to maneuver to take on that kind of contract.
But if he puts up 70+ points, his salary won't look bad: 3x7.

 

[Starat327]

Binnington as backup

Backup? Hart ain't got Binningtons character and isn't as good in the room. He's starting.

 

[flyerslducks]

Binnington as backup

oh god no lol

 

[flyerslducks]

If he could get OEL and a signed Horvat from Vancouver for, say, Provorov and Hayes, I could handle that. Just about any trade that the Flyers make has to include ditching a dog from the Flyers kennel by attaching a quality player to him and taking on a bad contract from another club.
The League is full of clubs right now who would like to move some bad contracts or players that they can't sign. Unfortunately Fletcher won't be able to take advantage of this situation.

ya i dont think i could handle that haha. Like magua said, we should take on a shorter term contract in a deal to get an added piece, not a deal that ends in 2026 for oel. The point of dumping prov is to gain cap and assets (and not while fletcher is here who would immediately use that cap on basura)

 

[renberg]

ya i dont think i could handle that haha. Like magua said, we should take on a shorter term contract in a deal to get an added piece, not a deal that ends in 26 for oel. The point of dumping prov is to gain cap and assets (and not while fletcher is here who would immediately use that cap on basura)

I guess that I'm blinded by trying to get Hayes out of town.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Hayes isn't getting traded until the summer, teams need to maneuver to take on that kind of contract.
But if he puts up 70+ points, his salary won't look bad: 3x7.

No one is taking Hayes at his full salary. If he ends up with 70+ this year, most teams will see it as a one time career year. The Flyers are going to have to eat a significant portion of that deal.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I guess we’re just completely forgetting that Tortorella has publicly accosted Hayes for being shit defensively.

I’m sure the other teams haven’t noticed.

 

[deadhead]

No one is taking Hayes at his full salary. If he ends up with 70+ this year, most teams will see it as a one time career year. The Flyers are going to have to eat a significant portion of that deal.

Not necessarily. He was scoring at this rate when he was healthy the past two years, he's now fully healed, and putting up 70+ with the talent around him would be quite an accomplishment. He'll be 31-33 the last three years of his deal.

Kadri at 32, 7 years, $49M
Giroux at 35, 3 years, $19.5M, coming off a 65 point season
Trocheck at 29, 6 years, $36M coming off a 51 point season
Copp at 28, 5 years, $30M coming off a career high 53 point season
Palat at 31, 5 years, $30M, coming off a 49 point season
R Strome at 29, 5 years, $29M, coming off a 54 point season
Perron at 34, 2 years, $12M, coming off a 57 point season

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Binnington as backup

can we bring back the original Zac attak Rinaldo aswell plz ?

we would have the holy trinity...

 

[Beef Invictus]

I guess we’re just completely forgetting that Tortorella has publicly accosted Hayes for being shit defensively.

I’m sure the other teams haven’t noticed.

Flyers analytics department driving a hard bargain before the Cronyarchy rolls in:

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Flyers analytics department driving a hard bargain before the Cronyarchy rolls in:

Harold Ramis is such a treasure

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I love the implication here that Zamula IS mere org fodder.

"Hey Charlie" definitely slipped that one in there

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Not necessarily. He was scoring at this rate when he was healthy the past two years, he's now fully healed, and putting up 70+ with the talent around him would be quite an accomplishment. He'll be 31-33 the last three years of his deal.

Kadri at 32, 7 years, $49M
Giroux at 35, 3 years, $19.5M, coming off a 65 point season
Trocheck at 29, 6 years, $36M coming off a 51 point season
Copp at 28, 5 years, $30M coming off a career high 53 point season
Palat at 31, 5 years, $30M, coming off a 49 point season
R Strome at 29, 5 years, $29M, coming off a 54 point season
Perron at 34, 2 years, $12M, coming off a 57 point season

All free agents. No team had to give up any draft picks or players as compensation. All those teams had the cap space for those players. Nobody is taking on a $7 million Hayes who has been bumped from his center position to the wing. Hayes' value is significantly diminished and as soon as other clubs heard Tortorella say Hayes has bad habits, his value dropped even further. There's all kinds of red flags with Hayes. He's a lazy, cherry picking dog who is having a career year. NHL history is filled with those sorts of players.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Nobody is touching Hayes without the Flyers adding significant sweetness, and retaining salary.

No way in hell.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nobody is touching Hayes without the Flyers adding significant sweetness, and retaining salary.

No way in hell.

If anything because they know Fletcher is desperate and a pushover. Why not rip off the easy target?

 

[FlyerNutter]

If anything because they know Fletcher is desperate and a pushover. Why not rip off the easy target?

There is zero issue with him staying with the team through a rebuild.

If he somehow goes from Mr lockeroom to a cancer that has to be removed in a season… I’m sure some fools will fall for that BS. Torts needs to find a way to make it work with him.

Want to know where it all changed with Hayes? Even if what he was complaining about was dumb? When he publicly came out against the organization at the time of the Yandle benching. That’s a no no in the country club.

 

[Magua]

A rebuilding team has a lot of kids coming up without NHL nicknames. You need a veteran nicknamer. It's yet another reason why Hayes is such an enviable tank commander.