2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Beef Invictus]

Here's something rare to feel good about from the team:



And did indeed join for practice; had some help from Brown pulling off the lacrosse goal. Seeing kids needing liver transplants makes me want to beat up mortality.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Ah, so now Comcast is the big bad evil.

Dave Scott has very little to do with hockey operations and roster building.

 

[ajgoal]

Here's something rare to feel good about from the team:



And did indeed join for practice; had some help from Brown pulling off the lacrosse goal. Seeing kids needing liver transplants makes me want to beat up mortality.

The craziest thing about this is that your liver will regenerate if you donate part of it.

 

[Rich Nixon]

The craziest thing about this is that your liver will regenerate if you donate part of it.

pssht, maybe some folks' will.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not allowed to distribute my chunks or blood-juice to anyone

 

[wasup]

If someone asked Scott to write out a current roster on the spot I don't know that he could do it.

Yes he could , #1 player Jerry Mayday-hew and we are excited about this one . Boo ya !!!

 

[Magua]

LA has a lot of decent forward options that I wouldn't mind in a trade, Vilardi, Byfield, Turcotte would be top of my list, although Turcotte and Byfield seem to be struggling a bit. I don't know, and honestly doubt, if Provy has enough value to bring any of those players back. They also have decent secondary pieces like Fagemo, Kupari and even Kaliyev if you want to throw his name in there....

One thing is for sure, LA has many RFA's coming up this year and next year, and they need to make decisions on these guys. They have offensive potential to spare, so that may make a trade with LA a bit easier.

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

 

[deadhead]

No, it comes down to the Cronyarchy and especially Clarke. If they're allowed to remain in place and have a single ounce of influence, then nothing changes. They're the ones getting their boy Briere appointed. They got Fletcher appointed. They got The Betrayer, Hextall appointed. They got Holmgren where he is now. Clarke and Fletcher both are tight with Lombardi, and why he's here doing damage. Changing the guy up top and leaving all the rest in place aside from a pointless shuffle results in zero change. The guy up top isn't causing all this misery, except in allowing all those slimebuckets to slime everything up.

The only way they get replaced is changing the guy on top.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Once again I am here to tell you that if Dave Scott ran the roster building operations, Johnny Gaudreau would be a Flyer.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

Thanks to Lombardi's deep connections with LA it's probably the laziest and easiest option and that's what's most important. Path of least resistance.

 

[deadhead]

Once again I am here to tell you that if Dave Scott ran the roster building operations, Johnny Gaudreau would be a Flyer.

Dave Scott could ban the advisors and fire Fletcher today if he wished to do so.
The only way to get rid of them is replace Scott with someone who wants to make aggressive changes.

 

[Tripod]

Once again I am here to tell you that if Dave Scott ran the roster building operations, Johnny Gaudreau would be a Flyer.

Have you not heard?

We are rebuilding.

 

[Striiker]

Once again I am here to tell you that if Dave Scott ran the roster building operations, Johnny Gaudreau would be a Flyer.

So would Mayhew.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

I agree with all of that, and how tasty would that bolded bit at the end be?

 

[deadhead]

Not of that crap matters.

As long as Scott is in charge (the man who signs the paycheck is the only one that matters, i.e. the authority to hire and fire), the best we can probably hope for is Briere/Kimmo with Fletcher looking at his proverbial balls in a jar.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Where are the Kimmo rumours coming from?

He's seemed to be willing to be skeptical of the way the Flyers typically run things no? I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ron Hextall: Fired because he locked the advisors out
Chuck Fletcher: Thinks the same as the advisors so he was welcomed with open arms. “Fired” because he thinks like the advisors.
Danny Briere:

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Where are the Kimmo rumours coming from?

He's seemed to be willing to be skeptical of the way the Flyers typically run things no? I'll believe it when I see it.

Hopium/Copium.

Oops! Everyone hide!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

I realize this hypothetical is about what you or I would do, but when it comes to what we think might actually happen, there’s a step before pool evaluation. What’s the timeline of the rebuild? That’s going to determine whether or not the primary asset can be a pick or it has to be an affiliated prospect.

For us, big game hunting for a team around 7 or 8OA looking to make a quick turnaround might make the most sense. What’s a team like St Louis thinking for example? They’re currently in the 9th slot. Obviously you’re not completing such a deal until the pick is on the clock.

 

[deadhead]

Even with high scoring start, Hayes works to win over Tortorella

Hayes is finally healthy again and scoring plenty of points. His next task? Impressing the Flyers' head coach.

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One of the reasons I like Torts, he's neither burning bridges (whether to keep or trade Hayes, it's a long-term decision) nor failing to hold him accountable.

He's holding Hayes to the same standard he held Frost - the difference being Hayes is a top offensive player, so if he can't handle the defensive responsibilities at center, move him to wing. Frost has been meh on offense, so it's either improve your defense or be benched. Frost improved, so his TOI went up.

TDA has struggled on defense, so he got demoted to 3rd pair with Seeler. Risto is being tried with Provorov, but that's a short-term experiment. Problem is this group doesn't fit well, but the young defensemen all seem more comfortable on the left side. So I expect Seeler at the TDA and Provorov this summer to be dealt to make room.

That's the balance this season, try to get the most out of veterans, whether to improve them or trade them, don't deep six them and make it harder on the next GM. But don't coddle them either.

People around here want instant gratification, Torts is on a 3 year schedule.

Can you imagine Yandle under Torts?

 

[VladDrag]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

Yeah. Durzi is nice but doesn’t make sense from a timeline standpoint.

I had a huge type up on Kaliyev, but I accidentally deleted it. But in short, I agree about the redundancy of shooter archetype. I disagree, and think he’s better than our current players. And think there is more value to extract from him…He brings lots of PP value too.

The most realistic situation would be centered around a center, and my target would be Turcotte to be honest.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

In a separate mock draft on this site in which I had Philly, I managed to get Vilardi, Spence, LA's 23 1st, and PIT's 23 3rd for Provorov, which has less than a snowball's chance in hell of happening in real life, but gave me a tremendous sense of pride in a sea of otherwise likely questionable decisions made by myself in said draft

 

[VladDrag]

I realize this hypothetical is about what you or I would do, but when it comes to what we think might actually happen, there’s a step before pool evaluation. What’s the timeline of the rebuild? That’s going to determine whether or not the primary asset can be a pick or it has to be an affiliated prospect.

For us, big game hunting for a team around 7 or 8OA looking to make a quick turnaround might make the most sense. What’s a team like St Louis thinking for example? They’re currently in the 9th slot. Obviously you’re not completing such a deal until the pick is on the clock.

I like this idea the most.

 

[deadhead]

I think the two long-term needs are a RHD (especially one who is defensively responsible) and a playmaking center.
Unless you think we can actually go forward with TDA, Risto and Attard.

And the playmaking center is obvious.
Brink is the only playmaker in the system, and he's a RW with some skating questions.
Frost has yet to show he's a top 6 center.
Cates at center is a better defensive version of Laughton, bottom six as a center, a better fit at LW.

So if you trade Provorov, you need to land one of those two players. And hope you can draft the other.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I think the long-term needs are everything and they need to stop outsmarting themselves by filling shopping lists.