2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[gertbfrobe16]

Extra sensory perception?

like Jean Grey and Charles Xavier?

Miss Cleo

 

[VladDrag]

I had a TI-5318008.

Underrated joke here

 

[VladDrag]

I listened to the recent NRD podcast with the Flyers/Fletcher talk. Nothing too earth shattering. He said they’re gonna switch out Briere with Fletcher soon. He said Fletcher won’t be outright fired. Fletcher will retain his President title. He made it seem like the Flyers are going to let Fletcher’s contract expire out opposed to paying him to go away right away.

He said the transition to Briere will becoming with a rebuild approach going forward. So he said to start expecting more names off the Flyers roster out in trade talks once that happens. He mentioned Provorov specifically & even mentioned LA as a potential landing spot.

LA has a lot of decent forward options that I wouldn't mind in a trade, Vilardi, Byfield, Turcotte would be top of my list, although Turcotte and Byfield seem to be struggling a bit. I don't know, and honestly doubt, if Provy has enough value to bring any of those players back. They also have decent secondary pieces like Fagemo, Kupari and even Kaliyev if you want to throw his name in there....

One thing is for sure, LA has many RFA's coming up this year and next year, and they need to make decisions on these guys. They have offensive potential to spare, so that may make a trade with LA a bit easier.

 

[dragonoffrost]

He's only made one mistake. So you should be able to figure the answer out.

That mistake was becoming the Flyers GM...

 

[dragonoffrost]

Meh, key is Torts and Briere being able to work together, if they're "kicking" Fletcher upstairs (when does his contract expire?) to save money he'll be out of the loop.

Briere has essentially as much experience as Sakic when he took over in Colorado:

Following the end of his playing career, Sakic continued with the Avalanche organization in a management capacity, first serving as executive advisor and alternate governor from 2011 to 2013. He was promoted to executive vice president of hockey operations on May 10, 2013, and named general manager the following year.

So either he can or can't do the job.

Fletch won't be out of the loop... He'll be another advisor like Clarke and Holmgren.

 

[dragonoffrost]

So here's something. If Schmuck does get bumped from the GM role and is solely the team president, who's to say that he won't try to interfere with Briere? What if Briere makes a move that he thinks is good, but Schmuck won't sign off on it? Technically, a team president can do that.

If they crap can Schmuck as the GM, then they need to fire him as president too. As for Briere, if he becomes the GM, who's to say he doesn't fire the senior advisors and replace them with his own guys? Could you picture Briere hiring Hartnell as one of his senior advisors? Or how about Kimmo Timonen?

If Briere gets the job, I hope to hell he gets an iron clad contract in which he has total autonomy over hockey related decisions.

I know him and Kimmo are very tight. So I wouldn't be shocked if the conversation of him coming in to help somehow happens.

Well, if Torts and Briere are on the same page, I think they'll pretty much roll the rest of the organization.
Given the failures of the last decade, hard to imagine the Senior Advisors have a lot of credibility anymore.

Then why is a crony of theirs becoming the next GM?????

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Tulsky is a data analysis guy, not sure he's got any other skills.
Interesting resume:

A Philadelphia native, Tulsky holds a B.A. in chemistry and physics from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in chemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. He also conducted a two-year post-doctoral study at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. He worked in high-tech industry for 12 years, managing teams of researchers focused on using nanotechnology to solve problems in DNA sequencing, solar energy, displays, and energy storage; he holds 19 US patents.

What a dork. I mean, did this guy even hockey? This is how I envision Tulsky and the rest of the nerds look during their meetings. Who needs advanced stats when the eye test says plenty. (shakes head)

 

[captainpaxil]

I know it bucks the current trend but relationships are important in any business and I think lacking a sale of the company a passing of the torch to the next generation of former flyers would lead to at least some progress. I have much more confidence in kimo Williams and briere than homer Clarke and brown in understanding today's game while also having an understanding of the flyers brand and legacy.
I think the question is what happens to flair when Fletcher gets promoted

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

I know it bucks the current trend but relationships are important in any business and I think lacking a sale of the company a passing of the torch to the next generation of former flyers would lead to at least some progress. I have much more confidence in kimo Williams and briere than homer Clarke and brown in understanding today's game while also having an understanding of the flyers brand and legacy.
I think the question is what happens to flair when Fletcher gets promoted

Hopefully he gets let go when his contract is over too.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[deadhead]

I know it bucks the current trend but relationships are important in any business and I think lacking a sale of the company a passing of the torch to the next generation of former flyers would lead to at least some progress. I have much more confidence in kimo Williams and briere than homer Clarke and brown in understanding today's game while also having an understanding of the flyers brand and legacy.
I think the question is what happens to flair when Fletcher gets promoted

That would be the optimal outcome, a complete housecleaning is unlikely, but Briere/Kimmo would have as much Flyer gravitus as Clarke/Holmgren. And Briere seems to be more tactful than Hextall, who did his best to alienate the rest of the organization, making it harder to obtain "buy in."

They also need to do a thorough review of the scouting personnel, weeding out those who are stuck in a 90s rut.

No time to practice on the road, so if he's not playing every game, he's basically spending most of the time sitting around.
The advantage of AHL is they practice 3-4 days a week as well as getting lots of ice time.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How on God's green earth would Briere and Timonen have as much gravitas as Clarke and Holmgren?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

No time to practice on the road, so if he's not playing every game, he's basically spending most of the time sitting around.
The advantage of AHL is they practice 3-4 days a week as well as getting lots of ice time.

Well he should be playing... so there's that.

 

[dragonoffrost]

 

[deadhead]

How on God's green earth would Briere and Timonen have as much gravitas as Clarke and Holmgren?

Because how many people, in the organization, fans or media, even remember 1974-76?
And Holmgren certainly has no more cachet than Briere or Kimmo.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Because how many people, in the organization, fans or media, even remember 1974-76?
And Holmgren certainly has no more cachet than Briere or Kimmo.

 

[tucson83]

Because how many people, in the organization, fans or media, even remember 1974-76?
And Holmgren certainly has no more cachet than Briere or Kimmo.

That would be the optimal outcome, a complete housecleaning is unlikely, but Briere/Kimmo would have as much Flyer gravitus as Clarke/Holmgren. And Briere seems to be more tactful than Hextall, who did his best to alienate the rest of the organization, making it harder to obtain "buy in."

and the thing if not briere and kimmo, then who do you trust? there's alot of former players taking over gm roles and its making the teams better because they know how to play the game and adapt it to current players, which is why i have trust in briere and timms, they know how the game is played, they know how to win, they have been through winning cultures and know what type of players they need to win.

going to assistant gms from teams that havent had any experience playing the game, i think that's what has been hurting alot of teams because of their inexperience.

 

[renberg]

Are we getting over our skis here with the F boys being gone? Sure it’s warranted and what most of us want but is it an imminent possibility? If the F boys are canned, who is going to hire them with this mess on their resumes? They’ll fight like heck to keep their jobs.

 

[DancingPanther]

Another well seasoned young player

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Anyone having faith in Briere is doing it based on zero evidence

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Anyone having faith in Briere is doing it based on zero evidence

oooooh, you're in trouble!

 

[deadhead]

Briere has a resume as good as Sakic did when he became the Colorado GM.
Tulsky is more like Howie, smart guy with zero playing or hands on experience.

You never know.

However, I'd rather gamble than go with a proven mediocre retread.
The problem with hiring assistants from successful programs is knowing whether they were major contributors or merely good soldiers.

 

[Striiker]

The only reason for optimism with Briere is he's not Fletcher, so it's almost impossible for him not to be at least a tiny improvement.

Hard for someone to be worse than "horrible at literally every single aspect of the job".

 

[FlyerNutter]

Briere as GM, with all the other rats still on board the ship.

Ch ch changes

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere has a resume as good as Sakic did when he became the Colorado GM.
Tulsky is more like Howie, smart guy with zero playing or hands on experience.

You never know.

However, I'd rather gamble than go with a proven mediocre retread.
The problem with hiring assistants from successful programs is knowing whether they were major contributors or merely good soldiers.

Joe Sakic wasn't groomed by a bunch of morons.

Please elaborate how you could possibly endorse Briere after he was hand picked by the people that you place blame on and have stated that nothing will change until they're all gone.

I would love to see that line of thinking. It has to be gloriously convoluted.