2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[JojoTheWhale]

Tulsky also runs their Pro Scouting and has openly talked about how communication and cooperation between hockey ops and quantitative staff is vital. He was on a podcast with Custance a while back for example.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

So here's something. If Schmuck does get bumped from the GM role and is solely the team president, who's to say that he won't try to interfere with Briere? What if Briere makes a move that he thinks is good, but Schmuck won't sign off on it? Technically, a team president can do that.

If they crap can Schmuck as the GM, then they need to fire him as president too. As for Briere, if he becomes the GM, who's to say he doesn't fire the senior advisors and replace them with his own guys? Could you picture Briere hiring Hartnell as one of his senior advisors? Or how about Kimmo Timonen?

If Briere gets the job, I hope to hell he gets an iron clad contract in which he has total autonomy over hockey related decisions.

he wont.. the old boys club wont allow it..


ur dreaming if you think they dont hold sway..

 

[Striiker]

Predictable. He’s an AGM for one of the most forward thinking teams. Exactly what special skills do Fletcher and Flahr and Briere and Lombardi present? Enlighten me. Data analysis is the most important skill by a mile…..that none of them possess or go out of their way to not look at. I’m sure Tulsky has studied up on how to spout empty cliches by now.

May I attempt an analogy?

Tulsky is like Ghost, who is “only an offensive guy”.

Fletcher is like Ristolainen, who isn’t someone who will dominate in any one specific area but you can rely on him to be consistent every single night.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fact is, GM is one of those positions where it's almost impossible to know if a candidate will work out.

I mean the Eagles put a lawyer who never played football, never scouted or did anything football related other than fantasy drafting in charge - and it turned out terrible!

If the GM is hired because they think like the Cronyarchy then it's very possible to know they can only fail

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts is, it seems Scott and Fletcher didn't get the memo.

No he isnt

 

[Starat327]

Predictable. He’s an AGM for one of the most forward thinking teams. Exactly what special skills do Fletcher and Flahr and Briere and Lombardi present? Enlighten me. Data analysis is the most important skill by a mile…..that none of them possess or go out of their way to not look at. I’m sure Tulsky has studied up on how to spout empty cliches by now.

Please dont tell me someone is questioning a team hypothetcallly hiring Tulsky whilst defending every clowin in the endless parade of shit-for-brains appointments that the Flyers have made in the last 10 years.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hard to imagine eh?

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They are the one's who picked Briere. And how exactly would Torts and he "roll" the org? A media campaign? Media already doesn't care. Many fans don't, either. They'd have to sell to Comcast, that they are losing money on what should be an ATM for them. I don't know if Torts is the guy for that.

They'd be fired if they tried to lead a mutiny. That's the thing about contractually laid out roles in an organizational structure. The coach and GM can't just take control from their bosses, who would be Fletcher and Flahr the Fat

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I have good news, "titles" are a name on a door, authority is the ability to actually do things.
Comes down to whether Fletcher is pushed upstairs (i.e. slotted out of the way until his contract expires) or still has authority.

When did he have authority? In your fantasy series, I mean. He was always at the mercy of hireups or the coach, no? Sounds like a hell of a manager to me.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I have good news, "titles" are a name on a door, authority is the ability to actually do things.
Comes down to whether Fletcher is pushed upstairs (i.e. slotted out of the way until his contract expires) or still has authority.

The Flyers aren't an ad hoc arrangement where everything is made up as we go alone. This shit is all strictly defined. It's why Fletcher is to blame for having so much power and still yielding to the Olds. It's his choice. On the other hand, his subordinates have no authority to usurp him.

This isn't a simplified television show take on how royal courts work.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Fact is, GM is one of those positions where it's almost impossible to know if a candidate will work out.

I mean the Eagles put a lawyer who never played football, never scouted or did anything football related other than fantasy drafting in charge - and it turned out terrible!

Thirteen minutes apart:

Tulsky is a data analysis guy, not sure he's got any other skills.
Interesting resume:

A Philadelphia native, Tulsky holds a B.A. in chemistry and physics from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in chemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. He also conducted a two-year post-doctoral study at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. He worked in high-tech industry for 12 years, managing teams of researchers focused on using nanotechnology to solve problems in DNA sequencing, solar energy, displays, and energy storage; he holds 19 US patents.

Of course, if you want a hockey guy:

Justin Williams​

Special Advisor to the General Manager
Justin Williams, 40, is in his second season as the Hurricanes' special advisor to the general manager. Williams retired from playing professionally on Oct. 8, 2020.

If you're stealing someone from Carolina, this is your man:

Darren Yorke​

Assistant General Manager
Darren Yorke is in his 13th season with the Hurricanes, and his second as assistant general manager. As assistant general manager, Yorke is involved in all player personnel decisions, oversees amateur scouting and player development, and is responsible for the team's draft. Yorke previously served as the team's director of player personnel.

And then an hour later:

Tulsky is a pure data guy, the other AGM is the one with extensive experience in all aspects of Carolina personnel decisions the last few years.
Analytics have value, but not THAT much value, there's an awful lot of "noise."

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Tulsky also runs their Pro Scouting and has openly talked about how communication and cooperation between hockey ops and quantitative staff is vital. He was on a podcast with Custance a while back for example.

That doesn't look like anything to me.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That doesn't look like anything to me.

I have it on good authority he once threw a TI-85 at a scout who couldn't remember which type of triangle has two sides of the same length.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

They'd be fired if they tried to lead a mutiny. That's the thing about contractually laid out roles in an organizational structure. The coach and GM can't just take control from their bosses, who would be Fletcher and Flahr the Fat

Yep. I really do feel for people holding out hope for Briere, because he was one of the first guys I loved on this team. Seems like a quality guy off the ice. Never heard a bad thing about him.

But even if he comes in on the white horse...what do people realistically think is going to happen? He'll be shot down.

He's getting hired to be another cog on the wheel.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I have it on good authority he once threw a TI-85 at a scout who couldn't remember which type of triangle has two sides of the same length.

I'm pretty sure I'm picking up what you're putting down...but yea. First time I was making a joking reference...this time, lol yep, I don't know what TI-85 means.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'm pretty sure I'm picking up what you're putting down...but yea. First time I was making a joking reference...this time, lol yep, I don't know what TI-85 means.

It's just an old graphing calculator. Never take me seriously!

 

[FlyerNutter]

The fun question will be what happens to Flahr?

This rumoured change up is for optics only. To try to appease fans.

It's beyond clear that this group does not see the need for actual change, they think they know best after all. Its an attempt at an optics move, and nothing more.

We already have ASF stating Briere was the one that spearheaded the Deslauries contract/signing.

 

[deadhead]

It's just an old graphing calculator. Never take me seriously!

Showing your age. I used to have a HP, forget the number

The fun question will be what happens to Flahr?

This rumoured change up is for optics only. To try to appease fans.

It's beyond clear that this group does not see the need for actual change, they think they know best after all. Its an attempt at an optics move, and nothing more.

We already have ASF stating Briere was the one that spearheaded the Deslauries contract/signing.

There won't be major changes until the summer in any case, you just can't go and hire guys during the season, teams tend to hold onto to their personnel until at least after the draft, something about contracts . . .

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Showing your age. I used to have a HP, forget the number

I had a TI-83. I'm turning to dust as we speak, deady.

 

[Striiker]

I’d like it on record that I knew what the TI-85 was.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I had a TI-5318008.

 

[Rebels57]

I have bad news…

He’s been President since the start. He’s already both the President of Hockey Operations and General Manager.

That’s why he only answers to Scott.

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I did know that...wasnt thinking at the time..I meant "keeps President title"

Basically I want him stripped of all titles and banned from the entire state of Pennsylvania, the Jersey Shore, and parts of Delaware.

 

[Striiker]

I did know that...wasnt thinking at the time..I meant "keeps President title"

Basically I want him stripped of all titles and banned from the entire state of Pennsylvania, the Jersey Shore, and parts of Delaware.

You know how in North Korea they do executions with like anti-aircraft guns?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The fun question will be what happens to Flahr?

This rumoured change up is for optics only. To try to appease fans.

It's beyond clear that this group does not see the need for actual change, they think they know best after all. Its an attempt at an optics move, and nothing more.

We already have ASF stating Briere was the one that spearheaded the Deslauries contract/signing.

Like how they spend a fortune on analytics just to ignore them.

The point isn't to actually make use of them. Oh know, why would they do that? It's just a PR expense.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Like how they spend a fortune on analytics just to ignore them.

The point isn't to actually make use of them. Oh know, why would they do that? It's just a PR expense.

Gunna call ya on this good beef.

I don’t think they ignore them at all. I think the analytics staff do exactly what they should to remain employed.

That whole department is subservient dogshit. Might as well carry the clubs for the advisors on the course, and accept their true role.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It's just an old graphing calculator. Never take me seriously!

Holy smokes I might have had that one! Not that I knew how to use it, but status symbols matter. As do fun graphics for no reason. Actually maybe mine was Casio, but shout out to computer books before their time.

Computer books. NERDS!