2022/23 Roster Thread XIV: Season's Beatings

[Flyerfan4life]

Here's something rare to feel good about from the team:



And did indeed join for practice; had some help from Brown pulling off the lacrosse goal. Seeing kids needing liver transplants makes me want to beat up mortality.

im surprized Torts did immediately send him down to Lehigh..

 

[Beef Invictus]

Where are the Kimmo rumours coming from?

He's seemed to be willing to be skeptical of the way the Flyers typically run things no? I'll believe it when I see it.

Nobody in any position of power will hire someone who has openly questioned them. That's not what this whole thing is for. This is all to boost their aging egos.

 

[Striiker]

I realize this hypothetical is about what you or I would do, but when it comes to what we think might actually happen, there’s a step before pool evaluation. What’s the timeline of the rebuild? That’s going to determine whether or not the primary asset can be a pick or it has to be an affiliated prospect.

For us, big game hunting for a team around 7 or 8OA looking to make a quick turnaround might make the most sense. What’s a team like St Louis thinking for example? They’re currently in the 9th slot. Obviously you’re not completing such a deal until the pick is on the clock.

Trade him for Ghost

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Trade him for Ghost

Well we know you'd find out about it here since it would never come up in one of your Google searches.

 

[Striiker]

Well we know you'd find out about it here since it would never come up in one of your Google searches.

You’re not getting a Christmas card.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I think the long-term needs are everything and they need to stop outsmarting themselves by filling shopping lists.

This, times a bajillion.

 

[Starat327]

Well we know you'd find out about it here since it would never come up in one of your Google searches.

I didn't get this at first but now I just read the miscellaneous thread.

JoJo strikes gold again.

 

[mize370]

Trade him for Ghost

we would have to add both 1st's so they do it.

 

[Striiker]

we would have to add both 1st's so they do it.

No problem. Get it done.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flahr's main recruiting tool is "My 600 Pound Life"

 

[FLYguy3911]

I kind of hate a Provorov trade with the Kings? That's the biggest rebuild piece on our roster (maybe Konecny, but I'm not urgently looking to ship him), and I think they're littered with a lot of underperforming high picks, uninteresting RFA players, or players they won't trade. Vilardi and Byfield (who I don't actually know what to make of) probably are non-starters. You didn't mention Durzi, who is a nice player, but I can't imagine trading what would be a 26 year old for a 25 year old makes sense.

Fagemo, Kupari, Turcotte just don't do much for me. Maybe if Fagemo was like a 3rd piece; I've always disliked Kupari; and Turcotte is always injured and never as productive as he should be. Kaliyev might be the most redundant player the Flyers could acquire, and I'm not sure he's better than what they have. I really can't think of anything short of Clarke + (1st?) that seems fair value.

Clarke would be the obvious choice and I'd probably take it one-for-one if it were on the table. A clear 1RHD option on a team without them. Byfield is also a clear target but I have no confidence this organization gets the most out of him. He's missed loads of dev time but he was super young and productive in his drat year.

Like Jordan Spence as a secondary option also. In an alternate universe the Flyers have him instead of Attard, but that's life. He's been ~PPG in the AHL as a defenseman since he turned pro which is damn impressive.

They have a deep farm but no headliners outside of the two obvious names-
Grans (never been a real believer that the tools will match up).
Simontaival
Chromiak
Laferriere
Pinelli (bit redundant with the current system)
(The other) Jack Hughes
Kenny Connors (local kid having a big D+2)
Otto Salin

If no Clarke or Byfield, 2023 1st has to be in the package. And f*** we know they needs 2nds. LA has all of their picks sans a 7th this year (they have an additional 3rd).

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

5.1M for Risto and doesn't even have a point yet this year. Shit, he doesn't shoot anymore. Only the best signings by Chuck.

 

[Beef Invictus]

5.1M for Risto and doesn't even have a point yet this year. Shit, he doesn't shoot anymore. Only the best signings by Chuck.

Pretty sure this is the lowest shooting rate of his career. Truly remarkable how players come to an organization that emphasizes physicality over skill, and skill rots. Through all levels of experience.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

5.1M for Risto and doesn't even have a point yet this year. Shit, he doesn't shoot anymore. Only the best signings by Chuck.

and yet still a roster staple..

#development .... hahaa

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What is the longest streak a Flyers player has ever gone without a point?

 

[teemussalami1]

York called up

 

[BiggE]

Calling up York so he can be the 7th D would just be so Flyers

 

[ajgoal]

I'm not allowed to distribute my chunks or blood-juice to anyone

They do have to have some standards.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Calling up York so he can be the 7th D would just be so Flyers

Well they won't want him getting 3rd pair minutes and he's not going ahead of Provorov or Sanheim. Unless they are going to play him on the right side, He's popcorn duty.

 

[VladDrag]

Clarke would be the obvious choice and I'd probably take it one-for-one if it were on the table. A clear 1RHD option on a team without them. Byfield is also a clear target but I have no confidence this organization gets the most out of him. He's missed loads of dev time but he was super young and productive in his drat year.

Like Jordan Spence as a secondary option also. In an alternate universe the Flyers have him instead of Attard, but that's life. He's been ~PPG in the AHL as a defenseman since he turned pro which is damn impressive.

They have a deep farm but no headliners outside of the two obvious names-
Grans (never been a real believer that the tools will match up).
Simontaival
Chromiak
Laferriere
Pinelli (bit redundant with the current system)
(The other) Jack Hughes
Kenny Connors (local kid having a big D+2)
Otto Salin

If no Clarke or Byfield, 2023 1st has to be in the package. And f*** we know they needs 2nds. LA has all of their picks sans a 7th this year (they have an additional 3rd).

I can't see a reason why LA give up Clarke in a trade for Provy, who they have cheap for 2+ more seasons, plus what 6 more years of control? It's a non starter from their end imo. Since playing he's been one of their best defenders, leads the d group in xGar/60.

The most likely target out of LA is going to be one of there 21-22 year olds RFA's or soon to be. That's where they have depth, and where they may have a log jam this year or next. They have 2-3 talented centers in Vilardi, Byfield, and Turcotte, and could spare to loose one of them imo. If you're going to give Byfield a pass on missing dev time, so have Turcotte - he's played only 70ish games in the last three years.

I my mind, if you get a player out of LA, it's just likely to be a youngish forward, who will need a new deal in a few years. Or, it has to be a 1st round pick.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I can't see a reason why LA give up Clarke in a trade for Provy, who they have cheap for 2+ more seasons, plus what 6 more years of control? It's a non starter from their end imo. Since playing he's been one of their best defenders, leads the d group in xGar/60.

The most likely target out of LA is going to be one of there 21-22 year olds RFA's or soon to be. That's where they have depth, and where they may have a log jam this year or next. They have 2-3 talented centers in Vilardi, Byfield, and Turcotte, and could spare to loose one of them imo. If you're going to give Byfield a pass on missing dev time, so have Turcotte - he's played only 70ish games in the last three years.

I my mind, if you get a player out of LA, it's just likely to be a youngish forward, who will need a new deal in a few years. Or, it has to be a 1st round pick.

Well I think the most realistic time to sell Provorov was in the summer where you could sell him as an all situations 1D but here we are. Maybe you still can but stock has been pointing down for a while. Clarke may be untouchable however they don’t seem too keen on wanting to burn the first year of his ELC and they are lopsided with RHD. I’m not sure what the general feeling is with him. I know people like myself valued him a lot more than the league in his draft year. The whole thing with Team Canada last year.

I agree one of the forwards seem more realistic. Byfield would be my preference. He’s the youngest by a good bit. The most athletic and has the best tools. Age appropriate PPG in the AHL this year. When I say missed dev time for Byfield, I mean he probably should have played his D+1 in the OHL but that was not an option because of the league shutdown. Turcotte had the great draft year and seems to have plateaued. Average-ish tools. I mean I’d probably take him as a secondary piece but he doesn’t excite me. Vilardi is good but I just have no faith he’ll ever stay healthy enough. Three years older than Byfield also so the window is smaller.

 

[BiggE]

Well I think the most realistic time to sell Provorov was in the summer where you could sell him as an all situations 1D but here we are. Maybe you still can but stock has been pointing down for a while. Clarke may be untouchable however they don’t seem too keen on wanting to burn the first year of his ELC and they are lopsided with RHD. I’m not sure what the general feeling is with him. I know people like myself valued him a lot more than the league in his draft year. The whole thing with Team Canada last year.

I agree one of the forwards seem more realistic. Byfield would be my preference. He’s the youngest by a good bit. The most athletic and has the best tools. Age appropriate PPG in the AHL this year. When I say missed dev time for Byfield, I mean he probably should have played his D+1 in the OHL but that was not an option because of the league shutdown. Turcotte had the great draft year and seems to have plateaued. Average-ish tools. I mean I’d probably take him as a secondary piece but he doesn’t excite me. Vilardi is good but I just have no faith he’ll ever stay healthy enough. Three years older than Byfield also so the window is smaller.

I’d happily take Byfield for Provorov

 

[FLYguy3911]

I’d happily take Byfield for Provorov

I haven’t kept tabs on him really since his draft year but he looked like a star in the making then. So if he’s anything close to that talent still, I’d agree. I wonder how LA stacks them up internally.

 

[Curufinwe]

5.1M for Risto and doesn't even have a point yet this year. Shit, he doesn't shoot anymore. Only the best signings by Chuck.

He looks really stiff and upright. Worse than ever.

 

[BiggE]

He looks really stiff and upright. Worse than ever.

The current Flyers admin would have benched Wayne Gretzky until he gained 40 pounds and started blocking shots.