2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[Hollywood Cannon]

wait why would they help anisimov get in shape to audition elsewhere lol?

Patrick brown, anisimov in….frost, lazcynski out

Absolutely anything that the people that run this franchise do must be defended at all costs up until they're shown the door and at that point every single thing will be blamed on them.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[dragonoffrost]

wait why would they help anisimov get in shape to audition elsewhere lol?

Patrick brown, anisimov in….frost, lazcynski out

We know.... we know...

 

[Flyerfan4life]

WOOOO!

bye bye Frost..

here it comes...

 

[FlyerNutter]

wait why would they help anisimov get in shape to audition elsewhere lol?

Patrick brown, anisimov in….frost, lazcynski out

Frost is the stupidest player on the team.

It could be seen long ago that he wasn’t going to really get a proper development path for this team. Why he didn’t tell his agent he wants to be relocated earlier in his career is beyond me.

Shit for brains, and I dislike him for it. He’s wasting not only our time, but his own at this point.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'm sure you realize that JG there and JG here are not the same. But keep finding ways to make it look like you think Fletcher is doing a good job.

Well, you're right in that if JG were here he wouldn't be on the last place team in the entire NHL.

 

[flyersnorth]

I think they'll end up signing Anisimov given the Flyers' weakness down the middle. As long as he can still skate.

They'll need to clear out a contract, of course. I'm sure someone will take Isaac Ratcliffe for future considerations.

At this point, signing Anisimov would bother me.

I can understand that thought process when they really believed they were retooling and maybe having a bandaid until Couturier got back.

But given the extremely weak roster, and what seems to be accepting that they are in a "stabilizing year" which is probably the closest thing to "rebuild" that you'll hear the Flyers say... I ask why? What possible purpose does signing Anisimov serve? Plus, it would require getting rid of a contract just to make it happen.

Hayes, Laughton, Frost, Laczynski is undoubtedly the weakest center depth in the league, but if they're trying to evalute what they have in-house, why sign a guy who has no future with the team?

This exact situation is why I get so frustrated with their piecemeal and incoherent approach to team building.

Plus, they have an opportunity to finish bottom 5 without overtly doing what the Hawks have done...

It just always feels like they can't help themselves.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ah, well we have our answer.

He's just absolute dog shit at the sport of hockey.

That surely came out of nowhere.

 

[deadhead]

They haven't signed Anisimov, they don't have a contract slot for him, or a role for him.
When they brought him to camp things were more unsettled.

Adding Sedlak changed things, he's an upgrade over the 4Cs we've rolled out the last few years, and can also play LW if they want to look at Laczynski at 4C some nights. Laczynski has done enough to merit a long look.

Frost isn't going anywhere. Laughton isn't suited for 2C, but Anisimov isn't an option there either.

Ah, well we have our answer.

He's just absolute dog shit at the sport of hockey.

That surely came out of nowhere.

But, but, I thought Torts was Fletcher's puppet? He'd never bench Risto!

 

[FlyerNutter]

At this point, signing Anisimov would bother me.

I can understand that thought process when they really believed they were retooling and maybe having a bandaid until Couturier got back.

But given the extremely weak roster, and what seems to be accepting that they are in a "stabilizing year" which is probably the closest thing to "rebuild" that you'll hear the Flyers say... I ask why? What possible purpose does signing Anisimov serve? Plus, it would require getting rid of a contract just to make it happen.

Hayes, Laughton, Frost, Laczynski is undoubtedly the weakest center depth in the league, but if they're trying to evalute what they have in-house, why sign a guy who has no future with the team?

This exact situation is why I get so frustrated with their piecemeal and incoherent approach to team building.

Plus, they have an opportunity to finish bottom 5 without overtly doing what the Hawks have done...

It just always feels like they can't help themselves.

Team that desperately needs someone to actually market, and elite talent does everything possible to not draft in a favourable position.

It’s not about success here. It’s about marketing an outdated identity, and maintaining jobs for incompetent men in the Flyers family above anything else.

Flyers know best after all.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

At this point, signing Anisimov would bother me.

I can understand that thought process when they really believed they were retooling and maybe having a bandaid until Couturier got back.

But given the extremely weak roster, and what seems to be accepting that they are in a "stabilizing year" which is probably the closest thing to "rebuild" that you'll hear the Flyers say... I ask why? What possible purpose does signing Anisimov serve? Plus, it would require getting rid of a contract just to make it happen.

Hayes, Laughton, Frost, Laczynski is undoubtedly the weakest center depth in the league, but if they're trying to evalute what they have in-house, why sign a guy who has no future with the team?

This exact situation is why I get so frustrated with their piecemeal and incoherent approach to team building.

Plus, they have an opportunity to finish bottom 5 without overtly doing what the Hawks have done...

It just always feels like they can't help themselves.

They're attempting to build a competitive foundation. That requires being competitive in games, even if they lose.

With Couturier out, they're woefully outmatched at center ice against good teams. If Anisimov can provide better depth in the middle, then they'll sign him.

Torts has said he doesn't want other teams' past-their-primes cast-offs. So this would be the exception, not the rule, simply because they need help at center ice.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They haven't signed Anisimov, they don't have a contract slot for him, or a role for him.
When they brought him to camp things were more unsettled.

Adding Sedlak changed things, he's an upgrade over the 4Cs we've rolled out the last few years, and can also play LW if they want to look at Laczynski at 4C some nights. Laczynski has done enough to merit a long look.

Frost isn't going anywhere. Laughton isn't suited for 2C, but Anisimov isn't an option there either.


But, but, I thought Torts was Fletcher's puppet? He'd never bench Risto!

Litrilly no single person on earth has said that Tortorella was Fletcher's puppet.

Nice strawman.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’ll give Torts full credit for the Risto benching. That’s a green flag so to speak.

More importantly though, I can’t help but wonder when an organization that prides itself on re establishing a commitment to effort, and accountability - will see it applied to say the player development departments, scouts, or Ian Laperriere.

Or is accountability only for the players. Surely not the case.

This organization controls the optics, and narrative more brilliantly than modern media outlets.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They haven't signed Anisimov, they don't have a contract slot for him, or a role for him.
When they brought him to camp things were more unsettled.

Adding Sedlak changed things, he's an upgrade over the 4Cs we've rolled out the last few years, and can also play LW if they want to look at Laczynski at 4C some nights. Laczynski has done enough to merit a long look.

Frost isn't going anywhere. Laughton isn't suited for 2C, but Anisimov isn't an option there either.


But, but, I thought Torts was Fletcher's puppet? He'd never bench Risto!

Nobody has argued that Tortorella is Fletcher's puppet, but rather that he is his employee and isn't Fletcher's boss.

 

[flyerslducks]

if torts can force management to get rid of risto...one can dream. Doubt it will happen tho.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Ah, well we have our answer.

He's just absolute dog shit at the sport of hockey.

That surely came out of nowhere.

Dog shit, but Right Handed dog shit. Hard to find in this league.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Ah, yes, that must strictly fall at Gaudreau's feet and there must be no other context whatsoever that could help explain something.

Le sigh.

LMAO. Didn't you just post about strawmen?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

LMAO. Didn't you just post about strawmen?

Your posting history totally doesn't lend itself to you belittling Gaudreau and the idea of Gaudreau, my mistake.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Couts would be a huge help , Atkinson not a chance lol

Honestly I'm not very confident that 30 year old double back surgery Couts will be that much of a help.

 

[dragonoffrost]

The number 65 and number 75 points producers over the last 10 seasons will definitely make this a better team if they are healthy. Which is the huge questionmark.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The number 65 and number 75 points producers over the last 10 seasons will definitely make this a better team if they are healthy. Which is the huge questionmark.

Star power? Young exciting players to market?

Nahhh. Let's win with hard work, and grinding it out. Amish team.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Star power? Young exciting players to market?

Nahhh. Let's win with hard work, and grinding it out. Amish team.

Make it 5 seasons and it's numbers 57 and 100 but they swap order

And JvR is number 54 on the 10 year list and 103 on the 5 year list. But these guys wouldn't make the team improve.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Unfortunately Ristolainen on a good day is still horrendous.

 

[wasup]

Team that desperately needs someone to actually market, and elite talent does everything possible to not draft in a favourable position.

It’s not about success here. It’s about marketing an outdated identity, and maintaining jobs for incompetent men in the Flyers family above anything else.

Flyers know best after all.

Don't worry so much about the draft position all the time . Were was Giroux drafted , were was Patrick drafted . TK , Barzel , Kyle Conner Hart etc . It's more important to hit on the picks you have than constantly focusing on the draft position . I don't give a shit if we end up drafting 14th over all just hit on the pick you have .

 

[deadhead]

This team is going to have to move on from JVR, Atkinson, Couts in any case, the same way they moved on from Giroux.
The rebuild is going to take 3-5 years, Holmgren blew two windows, after the Carter/Richards trade and after the 2018 implosion.
Now while they have built solid young depth, they need to add 3-4 top players to be a truly competitive team.
Hopefully, Gauthier will be one, but they need more.

The only young top 6 forwards are Farabee and TK,
Not sure any other forwards will develop to that level, Frost unlikely, Brink??? Foerster ???
Gauthier staying at center would help, but a top young center is a priority.
Plug in a couple guys at the top, and they have the depth (Frost, Allison, Tippett, Desnoyers, Cates, etc.) to fill out a forward group.

At least on defense they have a core in their prime years and some young D-men with potential.

You can whine all you want about this season, but this situation is the result of a decades' worth of short-sighted decision making.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This team is going to have to move on from JVR, Atkinson, Couts in any case, the same way they moved on from Giroux.
The rebuild is going to take 3-5 years, Holmgren blew two windows, after the Carter/Richards trade and after the 2018 implosion.
Now while they have built solid young depth, they need to add 3-4 top players to be a truly competitive team.
Hopefully, Gauthier will be one, but they need more.

The only young top 6 forwards are Farabee and TK,
Not sure any other forwards will develop to that level, Frost unlikely, Brink??? Foerster ???
Gauthier staying at center would help, but a top young center is a priority.
Plug in a couple guys at the top, and they have the depth (Frost, Allison, Tippett, Desnoyers, Cates, etc.) to fill out a forward group.

At least on defense they have a core in their prime years and some young D-men with potential.

You can whine all you want about this season, but this situation is the result of a decades' worth of short-sighted decision making.

Yeah, we know.

We're the ones that have said that the team has been bad for years and the assholes driving the bus are the ones that lit it on fire. We're not the ones that constantly defend everything that this organization touches.