2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[FlyerNutter]

So it would seem like drafting quantity is the best move. You know, the opposite of what Fletcher has done his whole career.

Idiot GMs like Fletcher enable competent GMs to draft as much as they want.

Dealing quality instead of just the likes of JVR/Braun, would allow a potential creative GM to at least target guys like Stankoven, Borque, or Johnston. Thankfully nearly everyone with an ounce of actual trade value has been locked into stupid deals.

Just names to illustrate an example, but GM’s without the personality of a turnip have the ability to explore talent acquisition beyond just the obvious.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yeah, unfortunately they've already trained Briere to be more of what they always have

sadly this is probably correct..

 

[deadhead]

Dealing quality instead of just the likes of JVR/Braun, would allow a potential creative GM to at least target guys like Stankoven, Borque, or Johnston. Thankfully nearly everyone with an ounce of actual trade value has been locked into stupid deals.

Just names to illustrate an example, but GM’s without the personality of a turnip have the ability to explore talent acquisition beyond just the obvious.

Those kinds of deals are rare at the TDL, more likely before the draft.

 

[Striiker]

LOLOL

Hayes gets the Frost treatment for a period and look what happens.

 

[Magua]

LOLOL

Hayes gets the Frost treatment for a period and look what happens.

He’s been a total non-entity tonight, except in the defensive zone (not for the right reasons). Did you know it’s hard to play with an AHL call-up and fringe AHL waiver claim? Even if you’re a $7 mil veteran? It’s almost like quality of teammate matters and certain usage is Sisyphean. Woweee.

 

[Striiker]

He’s been a total non-entity tonight, except in the defensive zone (not for the right reasons). Did you know it’s hard to play with an AHL call-up and fringe AHL waiver claim? Even if you’re a $7 mil veteran? It’s almost like quality of teammate matters and certain usage is Sisyphean. Woweee.

No excuses. Just do it.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Jimmy Hayes' son.

Can he play Center and skate?

 

[flyersnorth]

So who’s the next man up?

And please don’t say Anisimov!

 

[Tripod]

So who’s the next man up?

And please don’t say Anisimov!

No need to say it, you already dud.

It's what rebuilding team do, don'tcha know?

 

[flyersnorth]

No need to say it, you already dud.

It's what rebuilding team do, don'tcha know?

Honestly I don’t even know where they go from here.

Seeing Caufield last night is just the most recent glaring example of this team passing on talent. He was available for us. Twice. And Chuck passed. Twice.

They are rebuilding by default because they just don’t have the talent to ignore it. Yet the organization makes moves that seemingly ignore that. It’s cognitive dissonance.

Sanheim is a good example. I like him. I think he’s a good but not great player, and I’m happy he’s a Flyer.

But is it a smart idea to give him an 8 year deal in a “stabilizing” year when you’re evaluating the future of the team? What was the rush to get him signed to a contract length usually reserved for team-defining players? If you still want to do it in February, fill your boots, but at least you would have had options and a clearer picture of this franchise if you wait until then.

So… Anisimov it is!

 

[renberg]

Honestly I don’t even know where they go from here.

Seeing Caufield last night is just the most recent glaring example of this team passing on talent. He was available for us. Twice. And Chuck passed. Twice.

They are rebuilding by default because they just don’t have the talent to ignore it. Yet the organization makes moves that seemingly ignore that. It’s cognitive dissonance.

Sanheim is a good example. I like him. I think he’s a good but not great player, and I’m happy he’s a Flyer.

But is it a smart idea to give him an 8 year deal in a “stabilizing” year when you’re evaluating the future of the team? What was the rush to get him signed to a contract length usually reserved for team-defining players? If you still want to do it in February, fill your boots, but at least you would have had options and a clearer picture of this franchise if you wait until then.

So… Anisimov it is!

There was no chance that Caufield would ever be a Flyer; too short. Actually I can live with passing on him and taking York IF they would give him the opportunity to play in the NHL. Also York should not have been selected unless they were ready to move out either Sanheim or Provorov. First round selections should not be third pair defenders. York is just one of many players in the system that aren't being developed properly because they don't play cave man hockey.
Signing Sanheim long term is a smart move IF he is going to be the cornerstone of the defense for the future. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. TS is here to be Ristolainen's baby sitter. Sanheim's situation with this organization is like most everything else with this club, it's all ****ed up.

 

[deadhead]

It's a long season, and a long summer ahead. Injuries have just made it worse.

1) Sanheim got signed to a great deal, with the Cap to start going up this or next summer (rumor says they might have paid back the escrow, which means a $4M instead of a $1M jump this summer and 5% a year or so going forward). He still has upside left.

2) Provorov - TDA doesn't look like a good combo right now, stay tuned. They've had puck luck, GF/GA 11-9, but xGF 36.82%. Last 8 games xGF 36.73%, despite the rest of the team playing much better. For comparison, Sanheim - Braun xGF 60.04% over the same stretch. But you can't overwork Braun, so they'll be the 2nd pair, but look for Risto to rotate in as Sanheim gets more minutes.

3) Seeler - Risto has been a rock solid pair, but Risto is starting to get more PT. GF/GA 4-0, xGF% 58.14% over the last 8 games.

Right now they want to stabilize the defense, see who they're going to keep, Zamula should be in LHV, but I guess Torts sees advantages in him practicing with the Flyers and hands on development with Shaw.

It's not going to hurt York and Attard to play big minutes in the AHL. With the issues at forward, playing a bunch of rookies on defense might not be the best approach, and they have to make decisions with regard to some veteran D-men.

It would not surprise me if York, Zamula and Attard are all starting next season, Braun and Seeler might both be gone at the TDL, Provorov is probably going to be on the trade block. If TDA doesn't improve on defense, he's not in their future plans either. Strangely enough, if he keeps up his current play, Risto and Sanheim might be the only ones left of the current group in two years.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

York was one of the “safest” picks possible and they’ve still found a way to f*** his development. You really think CC would have had a chance in this system? He’d be grinding as a checker for FacePuck right now.

 

[BiggE]

There is nothing this organization does right, absolutely nothing. Cuck is the Fredo Corleone of the NHL world.

 

[BiggE]

I believe this upcoming draft will be on par with the 2003 draft when it comes to the depth of quality talent. With that in mind, TK, Provorov and yes, Carter Hart should all be made available as long as the return on each includes a 2023 1st. This team is going nowhere now, nor in the near future. Acquire as many picks as possible and rebuild.

Also, all of the following should be moved at or near the deadline for whatever they can get: JVR, Braun, MacEwen, and for the love of God, Risto. Finally, retain what you have to and trade Hayes at the draft. Will they suck next year? Absolutely, but they will be moving in the right direction, will have a top 5-6 pick in the 24 draft and will have ample cap space to work with by the time they start getting good.

WHAT NUMBNUTS CUCK WILL ACTUALLY DO:
Trade Braun at the deadline for a 6th
Trade JVR at the deadline along with a 4th, with half retained, for a late 2nd
Extend Zac for 3 years at 2 million per
Sign Hart to long term extension after the season
Tell everyone what an amazing job Torts did getting to 65 points with all those pesky injuries

 

[deadhead]

So much for "hot headed" Torts. He knew exactly what he got into.

Tortorella said he doesn't leave the arena mad at the team. Liked the effort. "I'm frustrated for them" he said. But he said they just clearly don't yet know how to do the things you need to do to win games. The coaches are going to have to teach them.

John Tortorella: "I'm a little frustrated tonight for them. I'm not mad. We don't get the result. But I'm not even looking at that right now. I'm trying to figure out who's who, and who do we really want to keep here?"

Torts on Tippett last night: "He’s taking people on. He's trying to beat people 1-on-1. Makes a great passing play to Frosty in the 1st. Those are the things that... it's short term & long term. I look at some of the long term, & there's some really good growth going that way."

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I believe this upcoming draft will be on par with the 2003 draft when it comes to the depth of quality talent. With that in mind, TK, Provorov and yes, Carter Hart should all be made available as long as the return on each includes a 2023 1st. This team is going nowhere now, nor in the near future. Acquire as many picks as possible and rebuild.

Also, all of the following should be moved at or near the deadline for whatever they can get: JVR, Braun, MacEwen, and for the love of God, Risto. Finally, retain what you have to and trade Hayes at the draft. Will they suck next year? Absolutely, but they will be moving in the right direction, will have a top 5-6 pick in the 24 draft and will have ample cap space to work with by the time they start getting good.

WHAT NUMBNUTS CUCK WILL ACTUALLY DO:
Trade Braun at the deadline for a 6th
Trade JVR at the deadline along with a 4th, with half retained, for a late 2nd
Extend Zac for 3 years at 2 million per
Sign Hart to long term extension after the season
Tell everyone what an amazing job Torts did getting to 65 points with all those pesky injuries

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do not will this into existance....

 

[deadhead]

I believe this upcoming draft will be on par with the 2003 draft when it comes to the depth of quality talent. With that in mind, TK, Provorov and yes, Carter Hart should all be made available as long as the return on each includes a 2023 1st. This team is going nowhere now, nor in the near future. Acquire as many picks as possible and rebuild.

Also, all of the following should be moved at or near the deadline for whatever they can get: JVR, Braun, MacEwen, and for the love of God, Risto. Finally, retain what you have to and trade Hayes at the draft. Will they suck next year? Absolutely, but they will be moving in the right direction, will have a top 5-6 pick in the 24 draft and will have ample cap space to work with by the time they start getting good.

WHAT NUMBNUTS CUCK WILL ACTUALLY DO:
Trade Braun at the deadline for a 6th
Trade JVR at the deadline along with a 4th, with half retained, for a late 2nd
Extend Zac for 3 years at 2 million per
Sign Hart to long term extension after the season
Tell everyone what an amazing job Torts did getting to 65 points with all those pesky injuries

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This may be a deep draft, but let's not get carried away. This fantasy that we'll just load up on mid-round picks and build a SC contender is just that. The 1st rd pick should be a top player, after that it's still a crap shoot with slightly better odds.

You don't trade players like TK and Hart, you're trying to build a team, why get rid of players who are young enough to be cornerstones? Provorov yes, he just doesn't look like a good fit going forward, but you're not getting a top ten pick for him, some package of picks and players that might include a late 2023 1st rd pick - other teams know this is a deep draft and will value their draft picks accordingly.

You move out JVR, Braun, Seeler because they have no future role.

You don't trade MacEwen IF he continues to play like this for a 4th or worse pick, b/c that pick is unlikely to make the NHL, and if he does, he'll be a bottom six player five years from now. Same with Sedlak who may be more valuable to anchor a 4th line with younger players the next few years.

Rebuilding is not just about garnering as many picks as possible, it's about maintaining an environment that's conducive to player development, and that means enough veteran talent that you don't saddle Frost or Gauthier with wings like Willman and Bellows.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So much for "hot headed" Torts. He knew exactly what he got into.

Tortorella said he doesn't leave the arena mad at the team. Liked the effort. "I'm frustrated for them" he said. But he said they just clearly don't yet know how to do the things you need to do to win games. The coaches are going to have to teach them.

John Tortorella: "I'm a little frustrated tonight for them. I'm not mad. We don't get the result. But I'm not even looking at that right now. I'm trying to figure out who's who, and who do we really want to keep here?"

Torts on Tippett last night: "He’s taking people on. He's trying to beat people 1-on-1. Makes a great passing play to Frosty in the 1st. Those are the things that... it's short term & long term. I look at some of the long term, & there's some really good growth going that way."

You know that we have examples of “hot head torts” existing, right?

It’s not some grand conspiracy to bring down the man.

 

[renberg]

This may be a deep draft, but let's not get carried away. This fantasy that we'll just load up on mid-round picks and build a SC contender is just that. The 1st rd pick should be a top player, after that it's still a crap shoot with slightly better odds.

You don't trade players like TK and Hart, you're trying to build a team, why get rid of players who are young enough to be cornerstones? Provorov yes, he just doesn't look like a good fit going forward, but you're not getting a top ten pick for him, some package of picks and players that might include a late 2023 1st rd pick - other teams know this is a deep draft and will value their draft picks accordingly.

You move out JVR, Braun, Seeler because they have no future role.

You don't trade MacEwen IF he continues to play like this for a 4th or worse pick, b/c that pick is unlikely to make the NHL, and if he does, he'll be a bottom six player five years from now. Same with Sedlak who may be more valuable to anchor a 4th line with younger players the next few years.

Rebuilding is not just about garnering as many picks as possible, it's about maintaining an environment that's conducive to player development, and that means enough veteran talent that you don't saddle Frost or Gauthier with wings like Willman and Bellows.

The entire concept of moving players off of this roster is based upon obtaining fair or better return. The return could be a player; a draft choice, cap relief or a combination of these. My problem with the Flyers making any move is that, based upon his past record, I don't believe that Fletcher will get fair or better return.

 

[Rebels57]

Honestly I don’t even know where they go from here.

Seeing Caufield last night is just the most recent glaring example of this team passing on talent. He was available for us. Twice. And Chuck passed. Twice.

They are rebuilding by default because they just don’t have the talent to ignore it. Yet the organization makes moves that seemingly ignore that. It’s cognitive dissonance.

Sanheim is a good example. I like him. I think he’s a good but not great player, and I’m happy he’s a Flyer.

But is it a smart idea to give him an 8 year deal in a “stabilizing” year when you’re evaluating the future of the team? What was the rush to get him signed to a contract length usually reserved for team-defining players? If you still want to do it in February, fill your boots, but at least you would have had options and a clearer picture of this franchise if you wait until then.

So… Anisimov it is!

Dont forget he passed on the even better Boldy.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Rock & Solid.

Whoo boy

 

[renberg]

Laughton looked like he had his bell rung again last night when his head hit the ice. With his history of head injuries, it might be time for him to think about another occupation. At best he's going to be out for a while if the people in concussion protocol are qualified and offer a realistic analysis.
Does anyone have any realistic dates for the return of the other banged up Flyers?

 

[BiggE]

Laughton looked like he had his bell rung again last night when his head hit the ice. With his history of head injuries, it might be time for him to think about another occupation. At best he's going to be out for a while if the people in concussion protocol are qualified and offer a realistic analysis.
Does anyone have any realistic dates for the return of the other banged up Flyers?

2026?

 

[flyerslducks]

Does anyone have any realistic dates for the return of the other banged up Flyers?

whenever george rr martin finishes his books