2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[Beef Invictus]

Absolutely. Laughton's the perfect complementary veteran player. He's homegrown, he's versatile, he has the right attitude, he's well-liked in the locker room. When you're rebuilding, you need at least some veteran players and he's perfect for that role.

The chance to trade Laughton at max value is already gone.

Then again, Fletcher would have blown it anyway

 

[Audible Velvet]

If they’re grooming Briere to step in as next GM, I honestly don’t care what his ideas are. It shows the same lazy, garbage process that plagues the organization. It’s why it is the way it is. If you’re going to hire a GM for the damned Philadelphia Flyers, there better be an exhaustive search and interview process that leaves no stone unturned.
And of course, we couldn’t trust those conducting this search. So the whole thing is likely screwed anyway.

 

[wasup]

Laczynski did not play for LV last night in the third game in three days so I would imagine they are recalling him up today .

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

“I’ll get him in whenever I feel like it.” - Torts

 

[Beef Invictus]

They just can't manage to get it right, ever

 

[Curufinwe]

Tippett definitely looks better this season. Hopefully it's not just a flash in the pan hot streak.

 

[deadhead]

“I’ll get him in whenever I feel like it.” - Torts

If we're playing on merit, hard to sit Seeler when he's playing so well, second best xGF of any D-man (just behind Braun), GF/GA 13-6, and Risto paired with Seeler is playing the best hockey of his career.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Plenty of time for 22 year old Zamula, I doubt we'll see this group of D-men in orange and black next season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If we're playing on merit, hard to sit Seeler when he's playing so well, second best xGF of any D-man (just behind Braun), GF/GA 13-6, and Risto paired with Seeler is playing the best hockey of his career.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Plenty of time for 22 year old Zamula, I doubt we'll see this group of D-men in orange and black next season.

So then why are they playing? This is a rebuild, right? The goal is to see what players they have so wasting playing time on JAGs is bad coaching and bad management, is it not?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cherrypicking single stats is poor usage of stats

 

[Kelmitchell2]

What's hilarious is our beat writers are saying fans are made we didn't take Caulfield over York now, no sir, we were mad back then, when it happened, yall were just to far up management's ass to listen to the fans

id give rid of laughton in a heartbeat if he can give us some picks. We are at the point where we need to recoup picks instead of obtaining picks so we have an excess--and that means trading players like laughton away. All because the idiots traded them away thinking we have a shot at playoffs.

Retain half of his salary and we could get a few picks like what Chicago got from Tampa....if our gm was smart ...... which he's not

 

[GapToothedWonder]

If you intended on being bad for a few seasons. signing good bottom 6 borderline/middle 6 guys to 3 year deals with the intention of retaining and trading them to a contender would be a really good way to weaponize cap space.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Many people here believe the solution is to burn it all down for draft picks.

So they want a fire sale. It all goes for picks. TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton, even Hart now.

IT ALL GOES FOR PICKS. WE SUCK, BURN IT DOWN.

OK, trade them for firsts. Who is trading top 5 picks for these guys?

No one.

So you're getting mid to late firsts.

And what are the odds those mid to late firsts will be better than TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton and Hart?

Unlikely. Isn't that what they were?

So you're making the team worse, and waiting for a rebuild that will consist of the same type of player. If they're lucky. You could, after all, be trading actual NHL talent for German Rubtsovs and Jay O'Briens.

 

[BernieParent]

FLYERS LINEUP (latest GDT):

Farabee-Frost-Tippett
???-Cates-MacEwen
Willman-Hayes-Brown
Deslauriers-Sedlak-Bellows

Provorov-DeAngelo
Sanheim-Braun
Seeler-Ristolainen

Hart
Sandstrom

So with half the line-up out with injuries and unconfirmed death, this is a master class of avoiding giving time to the prospects during what will certainly be a lost season. Frost and Cates at 1/2C and Tippett is helpful but that's it. Not to mention we know why Tippett was given favourable ice time right out of the chute.

Now Zamula is back in LHV ostensibly because Seeler is becoming the dominant 3rd-pairing defenseman this team has needed for years. Comedy truly is tragedy and TOI.

 

[Striiker]

“Hextalls drafting was horrible! His picks are disappointments!”

*2 minutes later*

“What do you mean you want to trade them for 1sts? We wont be able to draft players better than them!”

 

[Beef Invictus]

Many people here believe the solution is to burn it all down for draft picks.

So they want a fire sale. It all goes for picks. TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton, even Hart now.

IT ALL GOES FOR PICKS. WE SUCK, BURN IT DOWN.

OK, trade them for firsts. Who is trading top 5 picks for these guys?

No one.

So you're getting mid to late firsts.

And what are the odds those mid to late firsts will be better than TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton and Hart?

Unlikely. Isn't that what they were?

So you're making the team worse, and waiting for a rebuild that will consist of the same type of player. If they're lucky. You could, after all, be trading actual NHL talent for German Rubtsovs and Jay O'Briens.

Neat, you're hitting on a major problem with how wretched this management is: They've created a situation where they have slaughtered all value within the franchise.

Its a big reason why it's going to take at least a decade to fix. Expansion teams are in better shape than this team. They have to start from scratch, with minimal value, and no picks. It will take years just to get the prospect pipeline where it needs to be to maintain the team and keep it moving forward.

No reason to delay it any longer. All the players you listed will have no success here. Their careers will be ended or in their twilight by the time this team can start recovering from what the cronyarchy has done to it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So with half the line-up out with injuries and unconfirmed death, this is a master class of avoiding giving time to the prospects during what will certainly be a lost season. Frost and Cates at 1/2C and Tippett is helpful but that's it. Not to mention we know why Tippett was given favourable ice time right out of the chute.

Now Zamula is back in LHV ostensibly because Seeler is becoming the dominant 3rd-pairing defenseman this team has needed for years. Comedy truly is tragedy and TOI.

They may as well have not even picked York and just tossed the pick into a lucky urinal.

 

[renberg]

They may as well have not even picked York and just tossed the pick into a lucky urinal.

That’s what they did two years ago when they threw away their first rounder to obtain Risto

 

[BernieParent]

They may as well have not even picked York and just tossed the pick into a lucky urinal.

How does one determine whether a urinal is lucky? Is this a factor of splashback?

 

[deadhead]

The impatience of this fan base is comical.
They didn't commit to rebuilding until they hired Torts, when he made it clear it was a rebuild, and dared the advisors to contradict him.

They're playing Frost and Cates at 1C and 2C, moved Hayes to wing despite a lack of centers, Laczynski is back up, Allison will be playing when he returns - who else is there? Foerster, Wisdom and Desnoyers are 20 and lost significant develop time to injury/COVID the past two seasons. Lycksell is currently injured.

Torts wants his current D-men to play their way on/off the roster before he promotes the kids, Attard, York and Zamula will probably be starting next season, but before then some decisions have to be made with regard to the current crew. And Braun and Seeler are likely to be TDL trade bait.

So the last 20 games of the season will probably see all these prospects in the lineup plus Gauthier when his college season ends. Maybe JOB if they decide to sign him instead of the 2nd rd pick in 2024.

The roster in October 2023 is likely to be significantly different than the roster in October 2022.

It won't take a decade to fix, I'll predict they're competitive by 2025-26, probably 2024-25.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

They may as well have not even picked York and just tossed the pick into a lucky urinal.

just today again Torts when asked about the youth being given more important roles stated the only reason they are getting those minutes is cuz of injuries..

make no mistake if the old dogs werent broken its the only people the roster would be comprised of..

hes said thr same thing 2x times in a row now in recent pressers in different responses

 

[Beef Invictus]

The impatience of this fan base is comical.
They didn't commit to rebuilding until they hired Torts, when he made it clear it was a rebuild, and dared the advisors to contradict him.

They're playing Frost and Cates at 1C and 2C, moved Hayes to wing despite a lack of centers, Laczynski is back up, Allison will be playing when he returns - who else is there? Foerster, Wisdom and Desnoyers are 20 and lost significant develop time to injury/COVID the past two seasons. Lycksell is currently injured.

Torts wants his current D-men to play their way on/off the roster before he promotes the kids, Attard, York and Zamula will probably be starting next season, but before then some decisions have to be made with regard to the current crew. And Braun and Seeler are likely to be TDL trade bait.

So the last 20 games of the season will probably see all these prospects in the lineup plus Gauthier when his college season ends. Maybe JOB if they decide to sign him instead of the 2nd rd pick in 2024.

The roster in October 2023 is likely to be significantly different than the roster in October 2022.

It won't take a decade to fix, I'll predict they're competitive by 2025-26, probably 2024-25.

They haven't committed to rebuilding

 

[deadhead]

just today again Torts when asked about the youth being given more important roles stated the only reason they are getting those minutes is cuz of injuries..

make no mistake if the old dogs werent broken its the only people the roster would be comprised of..

hes said thr same thing 2x times in a row now in recent pressers in different responses

Well, you don't think Couts, Atkinson and JVR would be playing if they were healthy?
MacEwen/Hodgson was the last decision with Couts out, Sedlak was also a late acquisition.

Cates, Frost, Tippett would have had big roles in any case, probably as the 3rd line, to go with TK and Farabee, that's 4 of your top 9 forwards 23 and under, and TK at 25. Allison would have been your 4RW.

Rebuilding teams don't play inexperienced players at every spot, they like some veterans to anchor the team while they audition kids.

 

[VladDrag]

Many people here believe the solution is to burn it all down for draft picks.

So they want a fire sale. It all goes for picks. TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton, even Hart now.

IT ALL GOES FOR PICKS. WE SUCK, BURN IT DOWN.

OK, trade them for firsts. Who is trading top 5 picks for these guys?

No one.

So you're getting mid to late firsts.

And what are the odds those mid to late firsts will be better than TK, Sanhero, Provorov, Laughton and Hart?

Unlikely. Isn't that what they were?

So you're making the team worse, and waiting for a rebuild that will consist of the same type of player. If they're lucky. You could, after all, be trading actual NHL talent for German Rubtsovs and Jay O'Briens.

You know that you always have to use those picks to draft. You can package them with, lets just say Frost, and get an impact player with control in here.

Also, trading those guys out will give you cap space, which you can use to take on 1-2 year of deadspace along with a pick, to get more draft picks.

My overarching point here is that draft picks will give you extreme flexibility.

 

[ajgoal]

You know that you always have to use those picks to draft. You can package them with, lets just say Frost, and get an impact player with control in here.

Also, trading those guys out will give you cap space, which you can use to take on 1-2 year of deadspace along with a pick, to get more draft picks.

My overarching point here is that draft picks will give you extreme flexibility.

Absolutely. There's tons of stuff you can do with draft picks.

You can trade them for a league-bottom pending UFA and then sign him to a $25 million contract
You can use them to offload useful players for cap space for the above
You can trade them for the rights to a pending RFA that doesn't fit your timeline at all
You can use them to draft players you won't develop to their strengths

Truly the most flexible of assets.