2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[captainpaxil]

Ideally you want to balance out your ufa guys with elcs and the bulk of the roster is RFA. This gives us the best chance to get multiple cracks at a window. The fact that we have so many guys on ltir makes things difficult to coordinate but as far as I'm concerned they are all done for good unless I'm shown otherwise.

Tk laughton sanheim looks like the veteran group along with hart. Then we need to replace the rest with younger but equal talent.
Upgrades will come from the superior draft position because we suck. Then we sort through the current group to see what we have.
Then add to the group of York Gautier Foerster brink .
It may be just as important to acquire guys who have made some progression as it is that get picks

 

[Beef Invictus]

This may be a deep draft, but let's not get carried away. This fantasy that we'll just load up on mid-round picks and build a SC contender is just that. The 1st rd pick should be a top player, after that it's still a crap shoot with slightly better odds.

You don't trade players like TK and Hart, you're trying to build a team, why get rid of players who are young enough to be cornerstones? Provorov yes, he just doesn't look like a good fit going forward, but you're not getting a top ten pick for him, some package of picks and players that might include a late 2023 1st rd pick - other teams know this is a deep draft and will value their draft picks accordingly.

You move out JVR, Braun, Seeler because they have no future role.

You don't trade MacEwen IF he continues to play like this for a 4th or worse pick, b/c that pick is unlikely to make the NHL, and if he does, he'll be a bottom six player five years from now. Same with Sedlak who may be more valuable to anchor a 4th line with younger players the next few years.

Rebuilding is not just about garnering as many picks as possible, it's about maintaining an environment that's conducive to player development, and that means enough veteran talent that you don't saddle Frost or Gauthier with wings like Willman and Bellows.

So, they just shouldn't even bother and should continue on the same course Fletcher has been following?

There is no environment conducive to player development and that is Fletcher's fault.

 

[flyerslducks]

Tk laughton sanheim looks like the veteran group along with hart. Then we need to replace the rest with younger but equal talent.
Upgrades will come from the superior draft position because we suck. Then we sort through the current group to see what we have.
Then add to the group of York Gautier Foerster brink .
It may be just as important to acquire guys who have made some progression as it is that get picks

id give rid of laughton in a heartbeat if he can give us some picks. We are at the point where we need to recoup picks instead of obtaining picks so we have an excess--and that means trading players like laughton away. All because the idiots traded them away thinking we have a shot at playoffs.

 

[renberg]

id give rid of laughton in a heartbeat if he can give us some picks. We are at the point where we need to recoup picks instead of obtaining picks so we have an excess--and that means trading players like laughton away. All because the idiots traded them away thinking we have a shot at playoffs.

The problem with trading guys for picks right now is you get the picks but did Fletcher get high enough ones in return? Then who did Flahr evaluate and select with that pick. I don’t trust either of them to get it right.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You don’t trade players like TK or Hart typically but when you don’t trade players like Laughton, Sanheim, or Ristolainen in the past that’s the only move you have left.

Aka bad management.

 

[TCTC]

id give rid of laughton in a heartbeat if he can give us some picks. We are at the point where we need to recoup picks instead of obtaining picks so we have an excess--and that means trading players like laughton away. All because the idiots traded them away thinking we have a shot at playoffs.

I'd keep Laughton. He and Konecny are the kind of players to build an identity around. Laughton already is a leader and I think TK has the potential to be one.

 

[captainpaxil]

I'd keep Laughton. He and Konecny are the kind of players to build an identity around. Laughton already is a leader and I think TK has the potential to be one.

My thoughts exactly. You want the guys you are paying ufa money to either be the best players on the team or people you want younger players to model after. Particularly in the absence of cooter I don't think laughton is a piece you can afford to lose. He brings more than we would get in return.
Provorov and Hayes are the chunky contracts to move this off-season and then you auction the rentals again next deadline which would be tda and Atkinson.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The problem with trading guys for picks right now is you get the picks but did Fletcher get high enough ones in return? Then who did Flahr evaluate and select with that pick. I don’t trust either of them to get it right.

They all needed to be fired with AV.

 

[TCTC]

My thoughts exactly. You want the guys you are paying ufa money to either be the best players on the team or people you want younger players to model after. Particularly in the absence of cooter I don't think laughton is a piece you can afford to lose. He brings more than we would get in return.
Provorov and Hayes are the chunky contracts to move this off-season and then you auction the rentals again next deadline which would be tda and Atkinson.

Absolutely. Laughton's the perfect complementary veteran player. He's homegrown, he's versatile, he has the right attitude, he's well-liked in the locker room. When you're rebuilding, you need at least some veteran players and he's perfect for that role.

 

[Striiker]

The Flyers are bad so that means Laughtons a bad leader.

Or did we suddenly stop with that nonsense now that Giroux is gone?

 

[flyersnorth]

The problem with trading guys for picks right now is you get the picks but did Fletcher get high enough ones in return? Then who did Flahr evaluate and select with that pick. I don’t trust either of them to get it right.

Agree 100% - I have absolutely no faith in Fletcher to get things right anymore. He's got no backbone at all and has failed to convince me as a fan that he has a plan or that he even knows what he's doing.

Now, say he gets canned in-season. Even at the end of the season. And say Briere is the next GM. Do you have more faith in him to get things right?

I'm all for giving Briere a shot at some point - always liked him as a player and a person for opening up his home and his family to some of the Flyers' youngins.

But is he really the guy you want to bring in at this time? And if not, who are the legitimate better options available (or possibly available)?

 

[freakydallas13]

You know that we have examples of “hot head torts” existing, right?

It’s not some grand conspiracy to bring down the man.

Yeah but Torts' entire Vancouver coaching tenure doesn't count when you want to criticize him. For some reason.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah but Torts' entire Vancouver coaching tenure doesn't count when you want to criticize him. For some reason.

When I made that statement I was referencing this year alone.

 

[TCTC]

Agree 100% - I have absolutely no faith in Fletcher to get things right anymore. He's got no backbone at all and has failed to convince me as a fan that he has a plan or that he even knows what he's doing.

Now, say he gets canned in-season. Even at the end of the season. And say Briere is the next GM. Do you have more faith in him to get things right?

I'm all for giving Briere a shot at some point - always liked him as a player and a person for opening up his home and his family to some of the Flyers' youngins.

But is he really the guy you want to bring in at this time? And if not, who are the legitimate better options available (or possibly available)?

Yeah, it's hard to tell what Briere's vision is, of if he even has one.

I'd like to believe that he represents a more modern approach, but who knows really?

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I only want a complete tear down once Cuck and Fat Boy Flahr are gone. Bonus if Clarke and co are also removed. They have shown a remarkable ability to decay an asset’s value and to lose almost every single transaction they have been a part of. Why would you trust them with overseeing a fire sale? It’s all about damage control until they are all fired into the sun. Standing pat is basically the best we can hope for now.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yeah, it's hard to tell what Briere's vision is, of if he even has one.

I'd like to believe that he represents a more modern approach, but who knows really?

the fact he was green lite by the old guard suggests hes just more of the same..
.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I only want a complete tear down once Cuck and Fat Boy Flahr are gone. Bonus if Clarke and co are also removed. They have shown a remarkable ability to decay an asset’s value and to lose almost every single transaction they have been a part of. Why would you trust them with overseeing a fire sale? It’s all about damage control until they are all fired into the sun. Standing pat is basically the best we can hope for now.

the ONLY thing that should remain is the logo... every other thing/person needs to go..

forget about Broad street... its time to reinvent a modern take on hockey/identity...

or we can keep doing this garbage Orgs sinking idea of being grindy is how u get to the promised land.. which is obviously working 50 years on and we couldnt be farther from it

 

[prototypical4thliner]

The Flyers are bad so that means Laughtons a bad leader.

Or did we suddenly stop with that nonsense now that Giroux is gone?

One is old. One is not. Laughts can still prove to be a good leader; giroux failed since the team failed. That is concrete fact.

Don’t @ me, you know it’s tongue in cheek.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Yeah, it's hard to tell what Briere's vision is, of if he even has one.

I'd like to believe that he represents a more modern approach, but who knows really?

If it was I'm sure he would have been pushed away by the senior advisor group and the people that surround Fletcher.

 

[Hextallent63]

I believe this upcoming draft will be on par with the 2003 draft when it comes to the depth of quality talent. With that in mind, TK, Provorov and yes, Carter Hart should all be made available as long as the return on each includes a 2023 1st. This team is going nowhere now, nor in the near future. Acquire as many picks as possible and rebuild.

Also, all of the following should be moved at or near the deadline for whatever they can get: JVR, Braun, MacEwen, and for the love of God, Risto. Finally, retain what you have to and trade Hayes at the draft. Will they suck next year? Absolutely, but they will be moving in the right direction, will have a top 5-6 pick in the 24 draft and will have ample cap space to work with by the time they start getting good.

WHAT NUMBNUTS CUCK WILL ACTUALLY DO:
Trade Braun at the deadline for a 6th
Trade JVR at the deadline along with a 4th, with half retained, for a late 2nd
Extend Zac for 3 years at 2 million per
Sign Hart to long term extension after the season
Tell everyone what an amazing job Torts did getting to 65 points with all those pesky injuries

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i agree, but i think hart can be kept, a long time down the rod he may still be a good goalie. the problem i have with what you have said is i have zero confidence in the people making those moves. with his history, if fletcher desided to tear it down i can only imagine what he would do. 20 years of horror instead of 10.

 

[BiggE]

i agree, but i think hart can be kept, a long time down the rod he may still be a good goalie. the problem i have with what you have said is i have zero confidence in the people making those moves. with his history, if fletcher desided to tear it down i can only imagine what he would do. 20 years of horror instead of 10.

Oh don’t worry, there’s no chance anything good will happen any time soon. Cuck and the Feeble Foursome are already in Scott’s ear blaming everything on the injuries and praising Torts for getting pretty boys like TK and Frost playing the right way. Nope, the Cuck and Tortsy show is going to run for at least one more season while Clarkie instructs Danny Boy Briere on the importance of hard work, HitZ and the almighty faceoff victory.

Because,

 

[Hextallent63]

Yeah, it's hard to tell what Briere's vision is, of if he even has one.

I'd like to believe that he represents a more modern approach, but who knows really?

the approach will never be diferent until fletcher is GONE gone. like not employed by the flyers. along with clarke. its to the point where all ideas and options are mute. any real rebranding/rebuild/re-anything has to start at the top.

 

[Hextallent63]

the ONLY thing that should remain is the logo... every other thing/person needs to go..

forget about Broad street... its time to reinvent a modern take on hockey/identity...

or we can keep doing this garbage Orgs sinking idea of being grindy is how u get to the promised land.. which is obviously working 50 years on and we couldnt be farther from it

the whole bullies thing isnt a bad idea, as long as its a progression of the original idea. a modern day version. people forget how talented the bullies were. to do it in this day and age you need to get players with skill, game breakers, punishingly high talented defensemen that has talent to completely abuse you physically, but with that skill being a bonus to speed and vision, physicality being a bonus to main attributes that excel in this modern nhl. same with the forwards. but it all has to be a complement to a high skill/high iq roster. not the main identity of the team.

 

[Striiker]

@prototypical4thliner you can’t tell me who to @

 

[BiggE]

@prototypical4thliner you can’t tell me who to @

Are you holding your breath til you turn blue?

If you calm down, I’ll let you come to my house and have nugz and choccy milk.