2022/23 Roster Thread XII: The Twelfth Night, a comedy play

[Hollywood Cannon]

Who drafted Jost?

Damn, GOT HEEEEEEM.

 

[Magua]

I’m not sure the specificities of why Jost disappointed so much, but it’s 100% hindsight to criticize that pick. He tore up the BCHL, the u18s (he looked really good), produced similarly to a year older Boeser at North Dakota. I didn’t see it coming. Could point to no really loud tools, but that’s not everything.

Sakic has made some dud picks — more than made up for by slaughtering on the trade/UFA front, along with an elite core — but that’s one of those there but for the grace of God go I type picks. Now, if you want to criticize the use of picks with absolutely zero hindsight, I present you the work of Chuck Fletcher……

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m not sure the specificities of why Jost disappointed so much, but it’s 100% hindsight to criticize that pick. He tore up the BCHL, the u18s (he looked really good), produced similarly to a year older Boeser at North Dakota. I didn’t see it coming.

Sakic has made some dud picks — more than made up for by slaughtering on the trade/UFA front, along with an elite core — but that’s one of those there but for the grace of God go I type picks. Now, if you want to criticize the use of picks with absolutely zero hindsight, I present you Chuck Fletcher……

He drafted Kaprisov. Next question.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Patrick is better than Tavares

 

[deadhead]

I’m not sure the specificities of why Jost disappointed so much, but it’s 100% hindsight to criticize that pick. He tore up the BCHL, the u18s (he looked really good), produced similarly to a year older Boeser at North Dakota. I didn’t see it coming. Could point to no really loud tools, but that’s not everything.

Sakic has made some dud picks — more than made up for by slaughtering on the trade/UFA front, along with an elite core — but that’s one of those there but for the grace of God go I type picks. Now, if you want to criticize the use of picks with absolutely zero hindsight, I present you the work of Chuck Fletcher……

Well, Brink was the NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old. Guess that makes it a good pick no matter how he turns out?
Drafting is a crap shoot, though Sakic really isn't a good drafter (almost never hits outside the top 20, really the top 10).
And Makar fell into his lap, Makar or Petterson, even Fletcher could win a win/win wager.

Sakic is a good trader, but that Ottawa GM was dumb as a rock, how many teams trade 1st rd picks without protection?

Patrick is better than Tavares

Got to the 2nd rd, still waiting on Tavares.

 

[trostol]

Whenever I see rebuilding being used

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How many times has Chuck Fletcher brought in a Nischushkin, Saad, or Kadri? How many times has Chuck Fletcher traded a Duchene or a Barrie?

Chuck Fletcher would never ever take a Makar even if he “fell into his lap.” Which is just more hindsight BS.

 

[nacc BLOCC]

The moronic “dog shit” move would have been to bring back Giroux.

Why should a bottom tier team spend $6.5M of its cap for 3 years on a player who will be 35-37?

We can square this circle pretty easily.

Is the team bottom-tier?

If the answer is no, then sign Giroux.

If the answer is yes, did Fletcher intend to construct a bottom-tier team?

 

[FLYguy3911]

I’m not sure the specificities of why Jost disappointed so much, but it’s 100% hindsight to criticize that pick. He tore up the BCHL, the u18s (he looked really good), produced similarly to a year older Boeser at North Dakota. I didn’t see it coming. Could point to no really loud tools, but that’s not everything.

Yeah. Weird outcome. If I were to speculate, BCHL to the NHL within two years, with UND in between, is quite the jump even if he passed every test up until then.

 

[deadhead]

Yeah. Weird outcome. If I were to speculate, BCHL to the NHL within two years, with UND in between, is quite the jump even if he passed every test up until then.

Is it much different than HS to the NCAA and then the NHL?
Where is the USHL and USDP rated relative to the CHL?

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Well, Brink was the NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old. Guess that makes it a good pick no matter how he turns out?
Drafting is a crap shoot, though Sakic really isn't a good drafter (almost never hits outside the top 20, really the top 10).
And Makar fell into his lap, Makar or Petterson, even Fletcher could win a win/win wager.

Sakic is a good trader, but that Ottawa GM was dumb as a rock, how many teams trade 1st rd picks without protection?


Got to the 2nd rd, still waiting on Tavares.

No. He wouldn't. Chuckleberry Flitch could start his own pyramid scheme and end up at the bottom. To borrow a line from "Casino", this guy could f*** up a cup of coffee. He's that bad.

Last year he was trying to "compete". How did that go? This year, he's magically, out of nowhere, "rebuilding". And he sucks at that too. You can't have it both ways. Another reference from that movie...He's either in on it, or too stupid to see what was happening. Either way, the guy should be fired. He is poor at his job.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

No. He wouldn't. Chuckleberry Flitch could start his own pyramid scheme and end up at the bottom. To borrow a line from "Casino", this guy could f*** up a cup of coffee. He's that bad.

Last year he was trying to "compete". How did that go? This year, he's magically, out of nowhere, "rebuilding". And he sucks at that too. You can't have it both ways. Another reference from that movie...He's either in on it, or too stupid to see what was happening. Either way, the guy should be fired. He is poor at his job.

The only reason Schmuck has a job is that he's good at fellating the egos of Dave Scott, Bobby Clarke and Paul Holmgren.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

The only reason Schmuck has a job is that he's good at fellating the egos of Dave Scott, Bobby Clarke and Paul Holmgren.

That, and he was born into it.

 

[Rebels57]

No. He wouldn't. Chuckleberry Flitch could start his own pyramid scheme and end up at the bottom. To borrow a line from "Casino", this guy could f*** up a cup of coffee. He's that bad.

Last year he was trying to "compete". How did that go? This year, he's magically, out of nowhere, "rebuilding". And he sucks at that too. You can't have it both ways. Another reference from that movie...He's either in on it, or too stupid to see what was happening. Either way, the guy should be fired. He is poor at his job.

Dying at this

 

[Adam Warlock]

Hopefully the losing streak continues and Chuck is gone by Christmas.

New GM can come in and sell hard at the deadline. Provorov, JVR. Braun, etc. Maybe try to get a couple 1sts for this year.

All of a sudden you now have 5 1sts over the next 2 seasons in addition to gauthier and a stud goalie under 25. 2-3 years...those draft picks start coming up...Hart is like 26...guys like farabee, tk,and samheim are still under 30...youre off to the races.

Its really not f***ing hard.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

MacEwen is our Martin St. Louis.

The Flyers would ignore his production and trade him because he was to small.

 

[renberg]

Hopefully the losing streak continues and Chuck is gone by Christmas.

That's a big request to find under your Xmas tree. Hope that it's there but I doubt it.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Hopefully the losing streak continues and Chuck is gone by Christmas.

New GM can come in and sell hard at the deadline. Provorov, JVR. Braun, etc. Maybe try to get a couple 1sts for this year.

All of a sudden you now have 5 1sts over the next 2 seasons in addition to gauthier and a stud goalie under 25. 2-3 years...those draft picks start coming up...Hart is like 26...guys like farabee, tk,and samheim are still under 30...youre off to the races.

Its really not f***ing hard.

New GM would be a Fletcher clone. They would have these type guys until the old guard dies off.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, unfortunately they've already trained Briere to be more of what they always have

 

[Rebels57]

Yeah, unfortunately they've already trained Briere to be more of what they always have

Briere's only chance is if the advisors are gone with Fletcher.

Sakic was around in Colorado when some morons were still there running the show but eventually they all got jettisoned and he was able to carve his own path.

There's still a smidgen of hope for Briere and I would give him a chance at first, but i'm not overly optimistic considering he was here for the Risto trade and extension. Maybe he was pounding his fists and adamantly against it, but I sincerely doubt it.

 

[TB87]

Chuckleberry Flitch

This is a fantastic nickname. Nicely done!!

 

[captainpaxil]

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Hopefully the losing streak continues and Chuck is gone by Christmas.

New GM can come in and sell hard at the deadline. Provorov, JVR. Braun, etc. Maybe try to get a couple 1sts for this year.

All of a sudden you now have 5 1sts over the next 2 seasons in addition to gauthier and a stud goalie under 25. 2-3 years...those draft picks start coming up...Hart is like 26...guys like farabee, tk,and samheim are still under 30...youre off to the races.

Its really not f***ing hard.

I don't see how that's much different than the plan they have now. Tda was about seeing what they could salvage with provorov and allowing time for York. The sanheim extension dictated someone was moving out preferably at the draft.
Jvr and Braun were being moved at the deadline regardless.
Atkinson and hopefully Hayes next year and the process is under way. Provided the guys we have can get healthy enough to recover some value

 

[deadhead]

Getting a lot of late 1st rd picks will add depth, but you're not going to hit on a half dozen TKs, more like some Laughton, Frost, JOB, Rubtsov types. Odds drop after pick #20 or so, actually after #15. So just jettisoning veterans to add draft picks won't do a lot to accelerate a rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Getting a lot of late 1st rd picks will add depth, but you're not going to hit on a half dozen TKs, more like some Laughton, Frost, JOB, Rubtsov types. Odds drop after pick #20 or so, actually after #15. So just jettisoning veterans to add draft picks won't do a lot to accelerate a rebuild.

So it would seem like drafting quantity is the best move. You know, the opposite of what Fletcher has done his whole career.

Idiot GMs like Fletcher enable competent GMs to draft as much as they want.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

For me - Provy is the only player that is netting you real tangible assets unless we get involved in a retention type deal.