Toggle sidebar

2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
Ghosts Beer said:
I got caught up in the Johnny G. hype. The franchise has been stale and it would have been interesting. As a fan, I like interesting.

BUT a good piece of business? Turning 29, 7 years and $10M per? For a guy who was under a point per game already in both of the seasons before this contract year. And who won't be playing with Tkachuk and Lindholm?

The right move, rationality over emotion, is probably not signing him. When he's getting paid $10M and scoring 50 points, which could happen this season, .....will you blame Fletcher?
Click to expand...
A lot would depend on our center situation, but Gaudreau and a healthy Couturier together probably would be better than Couturier and Giroux. They're both the same age, as well.

Considering the contract he signed in Columbus wouldn't closer to $9m be more realistic? You get your new franchise player, you draw fans, you become exciting to watch again. That's worth the contract, imo.

The only way I would accept not going after Gaudreau would be if Fletcher openly said we're rebuilding. But he's either too scared or not willing to.
This "aggressive retool" idea won't work. Not if the moves he's made this summer are his idea of retooling.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
Glad to see that you swallowed the team’s propaganda so willingly.
Click to expand...
Do you think the JVR $7M contract is a good one right now?

TCTC said:
A lot would depend on our center situation, but Gaudreau and a healthy Couturier together probably would be better than Couturier and Giroux. They're both the same age, as well.

Considering the contract he signed in Columbus wouldn't closer to $9m be more realistic? You get your new franchise player, you draw fans, you become exciting to watch again. That's worth the contract, imo.

The only way I would accept not going after Gaudreau would be if Fletcher openly said we're rebuilding. But he's either too scared or not willing to.
This "aggressive retool" idea won't work. Not if the moves he's made this summer are his idea of retooling.
Click to expand...
Like I said, I got caught up in the Gaudreau hype, admitting all the way that it probably wasn't a good piece of business. I just wanted something to stir some interest.

The "aggressive retool" was a stupid statement. They are rebuilding without tanking, and that's I guess the idiotic euphemism they used.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TCTC
Ghosts Beer said:
Funny. Seems like a Hextall contract to JVR for $7M really f'd them over. But I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge that.
Click to expand...

JVR's contract isn't the issue. Risto and TDA's was. Fletcher thinks forward for even a little bit, and he can create a cap situation where JVR is irrelevant.


This team is wholly owned by Fletcher. Weird to pick out a single contract when he's distributed every single other one. Fletcher is responsible for what, 95% of the cap situation? I don't think that 5% is what mattered.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: freakydallas13, bennysflyers16, The Rage Kage and 1 other person
Ghosts Beer said:
Do you think the JVR $7M contract is a good one right now?
Click to expand...
When did I ever say or act as if it was?

A good and competent general manager doesn't get backed into the corner like Fletcher was with the moves that he made. He found out pretty damn quickly that this league isn't run by spineless losers like himself when they held his ass to the fire.
 
  • Like
  • Love
  • Wow
Reactions: VladDrag, freakydallas13, bennysflyers16 and 3 others
Hollywood Cannon said:
When did I ever say or act as if it was?

A good and competent general manager doesn't get backed into the corner like Fletcher was with the moves that he made.
Click to expand...
So they're stuck in one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL, and you blame Fletcher for not finding a miraculous way to get out of it, not Hextall for signing it.

The price to take that contract is a 2023 1st. If you think Fletcher should do it. Fine. I don't. And I don't blame Fletcher for being put in the predicament of a horrific contract he didn't sign.
 
Curufinwe said:
The bit about Philly is at 51:30 Hahaha, they really skewer Fletcher. I'm not sure which voice is which of the hosts.

__________________________________

"They gave your bag to Risto"

*laughter*

"whoops, whoops"

"You have very similar bags"

"Actually Chuck Fletcher's became my favorite GM after the answer he gave about how it was gonna be too hard to move a couple contracts to get one of the best playmakers we've seen in the last f***ing what 5-10 years."

Gaudreau: " Oh, geez..."

"Come on it's f***ing hilarious, dude, he just didn't even want to work to get it done, so suck on that one Johnny".
Click to expand...

Say what you want about Biz, but he couldn't be more correct.

DancingPanther said:
Chuck def the type of dude that takes 20 mins to set up those way-too-big canopy things on the beach with the poles and sand bags and shit

@JojoTheWhale
Click to expand...

I never go to the beach without one now that I have a little one, but it should take no more than 5 minutes and sandbags are not a part of the equation; they come with stakes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DancingPanther
Ghosts Beer said:
So they're stuck in one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL, and you blame Fletcher for not finding a miraculous way to get out of it, not Hextall for signing it.

The price to take that contract is a 2023 1st. If you think Fletcher should do it. Fine. I don't. And I don't blame Fletcher for being put in the predicament of a horrific contract he didn't sign.
Click to expand...
How are you not understanding this? It’s like you keep running in circles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Nizzle and Striiker
Ghosts Beer said:
So they're stuck in one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL, and you blame Fletcher for not finding a miraculous way to get out of it, not Hextall for signing it.

The price to take that contract is a 2023 1st. If you think Fletcher should do it. Fine. I don't. And I don't blame Fletcher for being put in the predicament of a horrific contract he didn't sign.
Click to expand...
Just stop. Keep eating that propaganda though. JVR's one year contract isn't even close to being one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL.

They're in this position because of moves that Fletcher has put them in. If he didn't have their backs against the wall that wouldn't have been the asking price. Moving JVR wasn't the only move that could have been made.

"Let's blame the guy that Hextall signed so I can't get blamed!" That's what the Flyers front office is thinking and you're eating it up, again.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Larry44, freakydallas13, The Rage Kage and 1 other person
Ghosts Beer said:
So they're stuck in one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL, and you blame Fletcher for not finding a miraculous way to get out of it, not Hextall for signing it.

The price to take that contract is a 2023 1st. If you think Fletcher should do it. Fine. I don't. And I don't blame Fletcher for being put in the predicament of a horrific contract he didn't sign.
Click to expand...

Are "prices" simply dictated by GMs? Or can good GMs negotiate a price down and be a good salesmen?

Chuck paid a premium for Risto and DeAngelo, along with a premium to get rid of Ghost. It is not surprising that he was unable to negotiate past the premium of a 2023 1st for hypothetically the 2024 1st instead.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Rage Kage
BigToe said:
How are you not understanding this? It’s like you keep running in circles.
Click to expand...
How are you not understanding it?

The Flyers have one of the worst contracts in hockey: JVR at $7M.

Hextall signed him to that contract.

The cost to move him was at least the Flyers 2023 1st rd pick.

They didn't do it, and they shouldn't.

No magic genie GM is going to magically change the asking price for a SEVEN MILLION cap hit no one wants.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: trostol
Rebels57 said:
Say what you want about Biz, but he couldn't be more correct.



I never go to the beach without one now that I have a little one, but it should take no more than 5 minutes and sandbags are not a part of the equation; they come with stakes.
Click to expand...
A canopy/umbrella is fine. A production is not.

But all you need is a blankie
 
  • Wow
Reactions: Beef Invictus
Hollywood Cannon said:
Just stop. Keep eating that propaganda though. JVR's one year contract isn't even close to being one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL.

They're in this position because of moves that Fletcher has put them in. If he didn't have their backs against the wall that wouldn't have been the asking price. Moving JVR wasn't the only move that could have been made.

"Let's blame the guy that Hextall signed so I can't get blamed!" That's what the Flyers front office is thinking and you're eating it up, again.
Click to expand...
Ironically, his teammate's contract- which was doled out by Chuck- could be argued as the worst in the league.

The fact that this post could be replied to with "which one" is telling
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: Nizzle and Rebels57
DancingPanther said:
A canopy/umbrella is fine. A production is not.

But all you need is a blankie
Click to expand...

Once you go canopy, you never go back.

Not only provides shade when you want it, but you keep your cooler out of the direct sunlight so your beverages stay colder longer....and if you have food your less likely to get bothered by those bastard seagulls. You're young still. One day you'll get there lol
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: Starat327, Beef Invictus, BernieParent and 1 other person
Hollywood Cannon said:
Just stop. Keep eating that propaganda though. JVR's one year contract isn't even close to being one of the worst contracts in the entire NHL.

They're in this position because of moves that Fletcher has put them in. If he didn't have their backs against the wall that wouldn't have been the asking price. Moving JVR wasn't the only move that could have been made.

"Let's blame the guy that Hextall signed so I can't get blamed!" That's what the Flyers front office is thinking and you're eating it up, again.
Click to expand...
NO ONE WANTS HIM.

You can try to put all the the dressings on it you want, he's a $7M cap hit and no one wants him, and that's $7M the Flyers couldn't use this summer. And it wasn't bogeyman Chuck's contract.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
How are you not understanding it?

The Flyers have one of the worst contracts in hockey: JVR at $7M.

Hextall signed him to that contract.

The cost to move him was at least the Flyers 2023 1st rd pick.

They didn't do it, and they shouldn't.

No magic genie GM is going to magically change the asking price for a SEVEN MILLION cap hit no one wants.
Click to expand...
Can you please look at the contracts Fletcher has handed out. Please.
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: Nizzle, Striiker, bennysflyers16 and 1 other person
Rebels57 said:
Once you go canopy, you never go back.

Not only provides shade when you want it, but you keep your cooler out of the direct sunlight so your beverages stay colder longer....and if you have food your less likely to get bothered by those bastard seagulls. You're young still. One day you'll get there lol
Click to expand...
I'm am open to umberellies but only will sit under them for a break if it really is sizzling out. No shame in that

My parents always bring one.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom