2022/23 Roster Thread III: Run It Back!

[Curufinwe]

I think Dr. Oz is going to accidentally show up to the Flyers home opener in a Devils jersey. That clown makes Fletcher look like a home grown hero.

 

[Redpath]

"No one wanted the Florida pick" is questionable reporting.

Maybe no one was asking for it, of course teams would prefer our 2023 first, but that is what negotiating is for.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that no one would have been willing to take on a single year of JVR for virtually a free first round pack. Especially when JVR's actual salary is below his cap hit. Especially when JVR can still pitch in a few goals. Especially when JVR can get flipped at next year's deadline. It is more likely that Chuck was unable to successfully negotiate without coming across as desperate.

 

[HexyClarke]

"No one wanted the Florida pick" is questionable reporting.

Maybe no one was asking for it, of course teams would prefer our 2023 first, but that is what negotiating is for.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that no one would have been willing to take on a single year of JVR for virtually a free first round pack. Especially when JVR's actual salary is below his cap hit. Especially when JVR can still pitch in a few goals. Especially when JVR can get flipped at next year's deadline. It is more likely that Chuck was unable to successfully negotiate without coming across as desperate.

Negotiate what exactly? Take either pick from 24 but not the 23. They say no. End of story.

 

[Redpath]

Negotiate what exactly? Take either pick from 24 but not the 23. They say no. End of story.

This line of thinking can be applied to any trade or negotiation. "They said no. Oh well!"

Fact is a good GM sometimes can pull a rabbit out of his hat and find a way to make thing work. Chuck didn't. And that is hardly surprising.

 

[Curufinwe]

This line of thinking can be applied to any trade or negotiation. "They said no. Oh well!"

Fact is a good GM sometimes can pull a rabbit out of his hat and find a way to make thing work. Chuck didn't. And that is hardly surprising.

Theoretically you should be able to play the cap floor teams off against each other. Why wouldn’t Anaheim want JVR at $4m salary plus a 3rd? Except that they thought they could get more.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Is it good management that Fletcher has been too lazy to do anything about that glaring and obvious problem?

Because it's been overdue since 2012/2013.

It is pure incompetence across several GM's regimes. Not laziness.

Do you believe GM's are infallible?

Is preferring bad players to better players good management?

If your goal is to increase your odds of getting top pick yes 100%

 

[HexyClarke]

This line of thinking can be applied to any trade or negotiation. "They said no. Oh well!"

Fact is a good GM sometimes can pull a rabbit out of his hat and find a way to make thing work. Chuck didn't. And that is hardly surprising.

Oh you mean something else like attaching another player? I thought you just meant one of the firsts to me that is cut and dry.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

29th last year. 29th this year. That's what I call stabilizing.

I like that he considers it a possibility that the Flyers could finish 33rd in a 32 team league.

 

[HexyClarke]

Theoretically you should be able to play the cap floor teams off against each other. Why wouldn’t Anaheim want JVR at $4m salary plus a 3rd? Except that they thought they could get more.

But they couldn’t get more. Dopey said no. So shouldn’t it be up to Anaheim to lower the request?

 

[Starat327]

I like that he considers it a possibility that the Flyers could finish 33rd in a 32 team league.

I'm sure there's at least one AHL team that would best the Flyers in a 7 game series.

The NHL needs relegation.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Everyone in the league knows Chuck is a sucker and a terrible negotiator and talent evaluator. Always has been, always will be.

I'm sure there's at least one AHL team that would best the Flyers in a 7 game series.

The NHL needs relegation.

Chicago Wolves could beat the Flyers

 

[Redpath]

Oh you mean something else like attaching another player? I thought you just meant one of the firsts to me that is cut and dry.

No, not even.

If you tell Seattle "We aren't giving you our 2023 1st, but the Florida 2024 1st is available with JVR" you should theoretically be able to sell them on why taking the Florida 1st is better than nothing at all, along with the benefit of adding JVR to flip him at the deadline, reach the cap floor, etc.

 

[deadhead]

Everyone in the league knows Chuck is a sucker and a terrible negotiator and talent evaluator. Always has been, always will be.



Chicago Wolves could beat the Flyers

Only if Rocky Thompson was still coaching them.

 

[Striiker]

I'm sure there's at least one AHL team that would best the Flyers in a 7 game series.

The NHL needs relegation.

I keep thinking about how bad the 2018-2019 Flyers roster (assuming both teams are healthy and used in the optimal fashion) would annihilate this team.

That was when we were rebuilding. This roster is the result of three years of trying to compete now.

 

[ajgoal]

I'm sure there's at least one AHL team that would best the Flyers in a 7 game series.

Want to bet it's the Phantoms?

 

[Striiker]

Trading any 1st to get rid of JVR would have been a horrific mistake.

Trading any pick at all to get rid of him would be awful.

We need as many picks as possible, not to be giving them away to get rid of a guy who will be gone after this season.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Trading any 1st to get rid of JVR would have been a horrific mistake.

Trading any pick at all to get rid of him would be awful.

If we had all our picks - I would have traded a 2nd or 3rd no doubt if I was promised Johnny

 

[Striiker]

If we had all our picks - I would have traded a 2nd or 3rd no doubt if I was promised Johnny

Adding Johnny would be a mistake too.

Not good enough to turn this team from trash to a competitor, but good enough to hurt draft position and delay an inevitable rebuild.

 

[captainpaxil]

Dave Brown is an absolute disaster as the head of pro scouting. There's better choices even inside the flyers circle let alone if they wanted to do an actual search for talent.

 

[HexyClarke]

No, not even.

If you tell Seattle "We aren't giving you our 2023 1st, but the Florida 2024 1st is available with JVR" you should theoretically be able to sell them on why taking the Florida 1st is better than nothing at all, along with the benefit of adding JVR to flip him at the deadline, reach the cap floor, etc.

I would think Ron Francis wouldn’t need or want a lecture from fletcher on what’s better for his team.

 

[pit]

They need to sign Kessel if they want goals in the net and people in the seats. They've needed a sniper on the wing for so long

They need to sign Kessel so that they can have another Ironman saga this season. Back-to-back record breaking seasons!

I'm sure Torts would be onboard for that kind of charade.

 

[Redpath]

I would think Ron Francis wouldn’t need or want a lecture from fletcher on what’s better for his team.

I'm not sure how negotiating is "a lecture."

If you're not trying to sell a GM on a trade, you're not doing your job.

 

[Starat327]

Imagine thinking the extent of being a sports executive is:

"Hey, well give you x for y."

"We don't want X."

"Oh. Okay. Good day, sir!"

 

[GKJ]

They need to sign Kessel so they can trade him at the deadline

 

[deadhead]

Adding JG would just get us back to 2019-20, where we rode a dead cat bounce to the playoffs with G (32), Voracek (30), JVR (30), Niskanen (33), Braun (32), Raffl (31).