2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[JojoTheWhale]

You can't trademark Good. Who do you think you are, Ohio State?!

Their branding could really work here.

THE Dead Franchise ®

 

[landsbergfan]

Let's say it again folks...

f*** Fletcher, f*** Scott, f*** AVs corpse, f*** stupid fans, I love you Lindblom, and f*** the Flyers

 

[Rebels57]

Does anyone really believe that JVR at $5 mil for 1 season can't produce 25 goals and 50 points, with some managed play-driving ability, on a team with real structure and roster sensibility? Visually, I didn't really see a difference from his 62 point pace the year prior. He graded out as one of the best in relTM stats in the couple years before this one. It was a perfect storm of one of the worst offenses in the league, with horrific centers, no transition play, and the worst PP in the league. JVR can be a line/PP accelerator, but there is not a worse environment to utilize his strengths and flaunt his flaws.

Moving contracts is a lot about optics. The Flyers are so bad at that part. You can practically smell their disdain for certain players; they lower their usage and sink their value and air dirty laundry for seemingly no self-serving motive. Even if you want to dump someone, they don't grasp the idea of pumping them first. It's not a creative league, and what one team believes, other teams are willing to believe. Gostisbehere was a perfect encapsulation of it. And even if a few teams do plausibly want JVR, they know the Flyers are desperate, so what's the rush? Their asset management is a horror show.

Fletcher brings in everyone elses bad assets and cannot even properly market his own valuable assets. I have never seen anyone in my life this bad at their job. He's an absolute cancer on this organization and right now we are in Stage 3 closing in on Stage 4.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

By the time tomorrow is done, they're likely no longer able to strip things down anyway.

4 more years of Hayes
5 more years of Risto
5 more years of Ellis
8 more years of Couturier, but he should be tradeable.
Sanheim will be heading to UFA and have limited trade value.
4 more years of Laughton who may or may not be tradeable without retention.
3 more years of Atkinson.
5+ more years of the big free agency signing.

The credit cards are hitting their max unless the coming cap increases are significant.

I forgot that I'm not sure if Farabee is tradeable anymore either. It would be irresponsible of me to make a guess on his medical condition. He's signed for 6 more years. Carry on.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Just to be clear here, most (from my vantage point) of the anger towards buying out Lindblom comes from the position that Chuck has put the team in where it's required. He's backed them into a corner because of his moronic decisions.

Do the optics suck with buying out a cancer survivor? Oh yes, very much so but they're made so much worse knowing that we got here buy extending players like Rasmus god damn Ristolainen.

 

[Starat327]

Bad team makes bad decision. More at 12.


In all seriousness, who is up for going to a game and just parading down a section to lob jerseys on the ice one by one, like lemmings?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

This reasoning was used to justify signing Ristolainen. You're ignoring the defensive side of the game, where he does a ton to cancel his offense.

A dman who has to be carried as hard as Slavin carried him isn't worth that haul or that contract, especially because our only dman who can carry him is already chained to Risto.

Don't care about Risto as talking about this trade. Not ignoring anything. Guess you are ignoring the offensive side to his game. . Was a top 20 D man points wise in what 64 games? Adds no value.

I know he was propped up. He isnt any good and all the other stuff.

Wonder if Sanheim will be inducted into the should have been hall of famer hall of fame.

 

[Rebels57]

Let's say it again folks...

f*** Fletcher, f*** Scott, f*** AVs corpse, f*** stupid fans, I love you Lindblom, and f*** the Flyers

Fletcher is a f***ing disgusting pathetic piece of shit f***face and I hope the rest of his life is a living hell after he's done destroying what's left of this franchise.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I feel bad for Lindblom, but I can see why you could buy him out (as his 3M against the cap is gone and the buyout saves the Flyers an extra 333,333 in cap space).

 

[BernieParent]

Considering the frequency of offseason injuries while training with this team, maybe Ustimenko said, "Yeah, I'm not following your regimen."

 

[BiggE]

Asking for a friend, would you consider this to be good management?

Cuck steers the helm of the SS Flyers about as well as the helmsman steered the Titanic

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Again, the people that complained about Ghost's defense better be ready to complain about Tony's. I have a feeling that won't happen though

When Ghost was producing years ago were people complaining about this defense? If Tony D doesn't produce offensively then his positive contributions will be minimal at best

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s never happening, because the direction has been clearly set - but Sanheim along with Provorov should be moved this summer. A player I quite like, in Travis.

This team is so far out from doing anything worth a damn, that nothing really matters until they rebuild.

He’s on a very friendly contract, and would help the cause in asset accumulation. A smart franchise would see this as selling high. It’s Giroux, or Couturier all over again. So desperate to hang on to talent to try to capture that magical wildcard playoff spot.

The overall direction is something I so strongly disagree with. Basically just wasting time until someone with a pair is able to tell these morons they need to face reality.

 

[Starat327]

I feel bad for Lindblom, but I can see why you could buy him out (as his 3M against the cap is gone and the buyout saves the Flyers an extra 333,333 in cap space).

Ypu sont need 333K in cap space if you're a bottom 5 team.

Or if you sont sign not one, but TWO bottom 4 defenders to 5M contracts.

Or if you don't sign a tweener 3C to 7M a year.

Or if you dont trade for a 6.7m cap hit thats never going to play.

Or if..... this can go on for a while.


Bad optics aside, Lindblom was a decent bottom 6 player who had decent stats the back half of the season. One of the few people on that team who WASNT overpaid.

 

[flyersnorth]

Just to be clear here, most (from my vantage point) of the anger towards buying out Lindblom comes from the position that Chuck has put the team in where it's required. He's backed them into a corner because of his moronic decisions.

Do the optics suck with buying out a cancer survivor? Oh yes, very much so but they're made so much worse knowing that we got here buy extending players like Rasmus god damn Ristolainen.

For me, it's not buying out Lindblom that is bothersome. Hockey's a business, they did right by Oskar over the past few years, and they've decided to move on.

What bothers me is that there's all this talk about locker room character, and they address that by bringing in a known agitator in DeAngelo, and letting go one of the most positive and self-deprecating players on the team in Oskar.

So ridiculous.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Lindbloms contract itself was stupid. I remember when I read it...i thought 3 years 3 mil meant 1 mil per year. I thought that was a nice move given the uncertainty of his future...it gave oskar at least comfort of being under contract.

When I read it was 3 mil per year...i tgought that was pretty high considering....and I love Oskar. Good guy chuck was overly generous and look now...

 

[Rebels57]

Ypu sont need 333K in cap space if you're a bottom 5 team.

Or if you sont sign not one, but TWO bottom 4 defenders to 5M contracts.

Or if you don't sign a tweener 3C to 7M a year.

Or if you dont trade for a 6.7m cap hit thats never going to play.

Or if..... this can go on for a while.


Bad optics aside, Lindblom was a decent bottom 6 player who had decent stats the back half of the season. One of the few people on that team who WASNT overpaid.

One of their most productive forwards at 5v5 after Vigneault was fired.

In one sense though, i'm happy for Oskar. He gets a fresh start on team that hopefully isn't a f***ing dumpster fire.

Speaking of which, can we just start calling them The Dumpster Flyers?

 

[freakydallas13]

Don't care about Risto as talking about this trade. Not ignoring anything. Guess you are ignoring the offensive side to his game. . Was a top 20 D man points wise in what 64 games? Adds no value.

I know he was propped up. He isnt any good and all the other stuff.

Wonder if Sanheim will be inducted into the should have been hall of famer hall of fame.

How do you feel about Chuck paying to get rid of a 50 point defenceman last season?

 

[Beef Invictus]

*sigh*

Not possible. It is. He's far surpassed Holmgren, who at least spent assets on some good players.

 

[landsbergfan]

Considering the frequency of offseason injuries while training with this team, maybe Ustimenko said, "Yeah, I'm not following your regimen."

OR...hear me out for a second...that guy talks directly out of his asshole and has no real insider info

 

[dats81]

I'm starting to wonder what Danny "special advisor to the GM" Briere is actually doing ... or not doing because he likes to watch Chuck digging his own grave with this org.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't care about Risto as talking about this trade. Not ignoring anything. Guess you are ignoring the offensive side to his game. . Was a top 20 D man points wise in what 64 games? Adds no value.

I know he was propped up. He isnt any good and all the other stuff.

Wonder if Sanheim will be inducted into the should have been hall of famer hall of fame.

No, I am not ignoring the offensive side of his game. I have to specifically ponder it while gauging whether it's enough to cancel him being a black hole on defense.

He is literally Ristolainen with better offense. That's what he is. Of course he's better than Ristolainen, but that doesn't make him worth the haul and price considering he needs pretty specific circumstances to be workable and we can't provide that without digging a hole elsewhere.

You're carrying water for a bad move by a bad GM.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm starting to wonder what Danny "special advisor to the GM" Briere is actually doing ... or not doing because he likes to watch Chuck digging his own grave with this org.

Briere wouldn't be in his position if he didn't fully agree with Fletcher and Clarke.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

How do you feel about Chuck paying to get rid of a 50 point defenceman last season?

What current 50 point dman did he get rid of?

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

Not possible. It is. He's far surpassed Holmgren, who at least spent assets on some good players.

i hate Gomer as much as anyone but he did make some good value moves - ie carter/richards

THe main problem was when he went goofy with the Bryzgalov signing but Snider forced him to do that. THat move sent all the bad dominoes in motion.