bennysflyers16
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Man when the Flyers media f***s are starting to turn,, Rock bottom is near.
2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny
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GKJ
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They could still almost surely make a hockey trade with JVR still, especially for someone with term. They could have done the same with Ghost but it’s not what they wanted.
landsbergfan
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nevermind im the dumb one...pretty sure he means the key asset that gets traded with JVR
LegionOfDoom91
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Meltzer called a Lindblom buyout bad asset management on Twitter. That’s probably some of the most blatant criticism he’s had towards the organization in a while.
Beef Invictus
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I think the rest of the league expects to victimize Chuck and won't settle for less. He needed to be fired with AV.
Hollywood Cannon
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Not that the league doesn't have him by the balls at this current moment but oh man they're going to have him if Gaudreau says "yeah, i'll sign here" and everyone knows it.
usahockey22flyers
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I'm not here to play revisionist history and say that everything we did was the wrong move over the last 4/5 years....
I gave my stamp of approval for almost all the extensions (outside of Risto), I liked the Ellis trade, I think I liked the Hayes FA signing too. I wasn't a Niskanen fan but that worked out pretty good. I wanted Laughton traded, but he's honestly a nice piece, especially if/when the cap shoots up. I was happy we got Nolan Patrick, York, Farabee, Brink.
What I don't like is the management not recognizing it hasn't worked out. Maybe Provy isn't a Norris guy. Maybe TK isn't a 35/35 guy. Is Farabee a PPG player? Not sure. Obviously it's pretty clear Risto is NEVER going to be worth the price we paid to get him and the contract he signed.
Instead of stocking picks/prospects and trying to right the ship, we are rumored to be adding sweeteners w/ JvR to clear cap?
Under no circumstance should we be attaching a 1st to trade JvR. Are we really giving up on Lindblom already? There's no guarantee we even get Gaudreau.
I like the idea of Gaudreau, I think he's pretty underrated on this board. He's not getting us in the 3 divisional spots....but from what I have heard, his two way game really improved under Sutter....you can talk me into him. I still think he's a 90 point scorer here.
I'm scared that if they strike out there, they give Kadri like 8 years and just further push your issues down the road. If Gaudreau signs here, I hope it's because he wanted to come home and he took less $$ than he would have gotten in the open market.
I really wish they'd just tear it down.
I gave my stamp of approval for almost all the extensions (outside of Risto), I liked the Ellis trade, I think I liked the Hayes FA signing too. I wasn't a Niskanen fan but that worked out pretty good. I wanted Laughton traded, but he's honestly a nice piece, especially if/when the cap shoots up. I was happy we got Nolan Patrick, York, Farabee, Brink.
What I don't like is the management not recognizing it hasn't worked out. Maybe Provy isn't a Norris guy. Maybe TK isn't a 35/35 guy. Is Farabee a PPG player? Not sure. Obviously it's pretty clear Risto is NEVER going to be worth the price we paid to get him and the contract he signed.
Instead of stocking picks/prospects and trying to right the ship, we are rumored to be adding sweeteners w/ JvR to clear cap?
Under no circumstance should we be attaching a 1st to trade JvR. Are we really giving up on Lindblom already? There's no guarantee we even get Gaudreau.
I like the idea of Gaudreau, I think he's pretty underrated on this board. He's not getting us in the 3 divisional spots....but from what I have heard, his two way game really improved under Sutter....you can talk me into him. I still think he's a 90 point scorer here.
I'm scared that if they strike out there, they give Kadri like 8 years and just further push your issues down the road. If Gaudreau signs here, I hope it's because he wanted to come home and he took less $$ than he would have gotten in the open market.
I really wish they'd just tear it down.
GKJ
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I don’t think this objective would be different with a different GM though. We already know Fletcher wasn’t prepared to fire AV. His job is to capitulate to those who have enabled him, and it’s going to be the job of whoever replaces him too, the question would just be whether or not they’re a better negotiator.
Holmgren, by the way, was not one. He did not like operating in the open free agent market.
landsbergfan
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It was two things...not that Bryz contract wasn't bad, but it was manageable
Pronger getting injured and the poor plan to replace him and the draft/prospect capital that was spent making the team better not getting replenished. It is hard to say whether or not he would've been able to build the team back up, but he cut corners to do it quickly the first time and when you do that we see the result. There are no cutting corners in a hard cap league when it comes to sustained success.
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Laughton brings more to the table than Lindblom, particularly because he’s one of our top PK forwards. But I’d be fine with moving on from Laughton, especially since he’s better suited to a LW role than a C role. I am okay spending $3M on a third line C but not a bottom-6 LW.
That said, Laughton seems like he could be a really good Torts-style player so let’s see how that goes.
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Tony D is going to struggle defensively away from Carolina. Probably more than Ghost did in his last season in Philly.
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Curufinwe
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Nah, the Bryz contract was a team killer without a CBO. A starting goalie making 9% of the cap who was out of the league four years into the scheduled nine.
100% And its hilarious some people dont see this. Metrics, eye test, whatever anyone wants to use, Tony is an abomination on defense.
JojoTheWhale
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When people talk about bad asset management this is what they mean. If you like Laughton better than Lindblom as a Milddle 6 piece, sure. They're not wildly different level of players. I get it. But in practice the choice was something like this:
Laughton + the cap penalty for buying out Lindblom
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A late 1st + Lindblom
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A late 1st + Laughton re-signed in July + the cap penalty for buying out Lindblom.
They always find the path to extracting the least juice. If your answer to this is that no one could have seen this coming, then you're directly saying they have no idea what they're doing from one year to the next. These cap situations are known. They can talk to teams and judge the interest on their players.
Laughton + the cap penalty for buying out Lindblom
or
A late 1st + Lindblom
or
A late 1st + Laughton re-signed in July + the cap penalty for buying out Lindblom.
They always find the path to extracting the least juice. If your answer to this is that no one could have seen this coming, then you're directly saying they have no idea what they're doing from one year to the next. These cap situations are known. They can talk to teams and judge the interest on their players.
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I don’t think so. TDA isn’t as weak on the puck or weak on coverage as Ghost. I can’t count how many times the guy in front of the net scored while Ghost had his back to him. But TDA takes more bad penalties and loses his cool a lot. They are bad in different ways. We better hope our PK improves…
LegionOfDoom91
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Like I have no doubt the Flyers would love to just throw a $11M+ per year deal on the table & be done with it. But I think the cap situation is forcing their number to be more so in the $8-9M per year range. So the Flyers might be his number #1 fit off ice but financially he would probably be doing himself a disservice by coming here.
The Calgary people said him & his family were unhappy with Brian Burke during his last contract as Burke drove a hard negotiation. The Gaudreau’s felt they settled for noticeably less than what he should have gotten. So there is precedent there for them feeling he was underpaid.
I wonder if that ties into Emily Kaplans report that people close to him are telling him to re-sign in Calgary?
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Here's the bad news...but we donated money!
Hollywood Cannon
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Can't forget that they wasted a protection spot in the expansion draft on him by re-signing him early.
freakydallas13
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I'm about at the point where I hope they dump Lindblom (which they already did) and trade an assload of assets to dump JVR only for Johnny to sign somewhere else.
blackjackmulligan
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How many points did Ghost put up in his most recent Flyers season when he was traded?
ellja3
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Assuming this happens, what's our roster, based on purely currenly available players minus Oskar and JVR?
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