2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Rebels57]

Since there's no room for Provorov on the PP and he's going to be a whiny bitch about it, I would try and move him for a cheaper LHD who can defend better and doesn't need to be placated with underserved PP minutes.

Doesn't even necessarily need to be moved for a cheaper LHD.

They can roll into the season with

Sanheim
York
Zamula (the forgotten man lately)

And be just as well off

It’s really kind of amazing how incompetent they are. We’ve all known for a while now that they view JG as their holy grail this offseason, which is stupid enough in its own right. Now they can’t even execute on that strategy because they re-signed Risto and TDA and have already burned through most of the assets they could use to sweeten a JVR deal, and every team in the league is salivating over the idea of bending Chuck over in a Provorov, Sanheim, TK deal.

And get this? No one will hold them accountable for ANY of this

Because the same idiots fist-pumping over the DeAngelo move, like Dan Silver for example, are still going to buy just enough tickets to keep Brian Roberts off of Dave Scott's ass.

 

[Rich Nixon]

If there's interest in trading Provorov, there better be:

1. A Sanheim extension announced shortly thereafter

or

2. An effort to use assets acquired in Provorov trade to acquire Chychrun (/a three-way trade that brings in Chychrun)

Otherwise, they'll have f***ed themselves even further. And I don't even like Provorov, but if they want to deal him they must do so before they tank his value further, and with a plan at LD beyond this season, which I doubt they can formulate.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

If there's interest in trading Provorov, there better be:

1. A Sanheim extension announced shortly thereafter

or

2. An effort to use assets acquired in Provorov trade to acquire Chychrun (/a three-way trade that brings in Chychrun)

Otherwise, they'll have f***ed themselves even further. And I don't even like Provorov, but if they want to deal him they must do so before they tank his value further, and with a plan at LD beyond this season, which I doubt they can formulate.

I have no interest in adding a guy who is always injured like Chychrun. Especially at the cost Arizona will likely want.

 

[flyersnorth]

This whole debacle would be funnier if it weren't the Flyers. It's quite remarkable how much Fletcher can't even get out of his own way.

 

[freakydallas13]

Look forward to trading Provorv for pennies on the dollar and having Sanheim walk as a UFA after this year.

 

[VladDrag]

New member of the Sleeve Gang.

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Hockey players have the worst tattoos.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hockey players have the worst tattoos.

Need to check out the ink on DeAngelo.

 

[deadhead]

The JG rumors are based on him being a FA and being from Jersey - but the Devils would also be attractive for that reason and have a lot of cap room.

I'll see if there's any real interest, before I get too excited.

The fact that Fletcher hasn't moved JVR says he's not that desperate, more like teams trying to hold him up and Chuck going "really?"

If JG is just a media fantasy then there's no rush to move JVR.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hockey players have the worst tattoos.

On a serious note I feel amongst white people getting sleeves or bigger tattoos that aren’t concealed has been more so of a recent thing over the years. Prior to that there was more a negative look towards those probably because most white people that used to have them when they weren’t as popular were like jailbird types.

So we might still be in the learning process here of what’s good or not.

 

[VladDrag]

On a serious note I feel amongst white people getting sleeves or bigger tattoos that aren’t concealed has been more so of a recent thing over the years. Prior to that there was more a negative look towards those probably because most white people that used to have them when they weren’t as popular were like jailbird types.

So we might still be in the learning process here of what’s good or not.

I know what you mean. Personally, I'm big into tattoos and have been for a while. Half of my IG feed is tattoo artists. Most of my friend group have tattoos. Actually, now that I think about it, I think I have the least amount of tattoos in my friend group, and I have a half sleeve. I probably go down the whole arm. I mean, you can see it in a short sleeve shirt, so there's no hiding it.

In my industry, we have hired quite a few new/entry level employees who have visible tattoos. It's just not as big of a deal.

 

[Curufinwe]

If there's interest in trading Provorov, there better be:

1. A Sanheim extension announced shortly thereafter

or

2. An effort to use assets acquired in Provorov trade to acquire Chychrun (/a three-way trade that brings in Chychrun)

Otherwise, they'll have f***ed themselves even further. And I don't even like Provorov, but if they want to deal him they must do so before they tank his value further, and with a plan at LD beyond this season, which I doubt they can formulate.

Chychrun gets injured a lot in Arizona, so I wouldn't expect him to be any healthier here. Provorov has his faults but he's very durable.

 

[BiggE]

I hope they acquire every asshole in the NHL, it would serve them right. Go full Cuck, use Florida’s 24 1st to unload JVR, buyout Oskar (after what he’s been through, he deserves better!), trade Provorov for a 2nd, and TK for the same. Then go out and sign Kadri and Kane and, just for shits and giggles, re-sign that greasy piece of shit Thompson too.

I truly hope and pray that they are in dead last by mid season and struggling to sell 10k tix per game. Maybe, just maybe, by then, Brian Roberts will take his head out of his billion dollar ass and fire everyone.

 

[mja]

Hockey players have the worst tattoos.

Clearly you have not been following my intrepid reporting about the tattooing trends of European beachgoers in the South of France. Today I saw yet another woman with a dreamcatcher - they all have flowery vines or dreamcatchers - but this one was accentuated by an inexplicable owl's head on top of said dreamcatcher.

But today's winner was a dude with a tattoo of this on his calf:

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I know what you mean. Personally, I'm big into tattoos and have been for a while. Half of my IG feed is tattoo artists. Most of my friend group have tattoos. Actually, now that I think about it, I think I have the least amount of tattoos in my friend group, and I have a half sleeve. I probably go down the whole arm. I mean, you can see it in a short sleeve shirt, so there's no hiding it.

In my industry, we have hired quite a few new/entry level employees who have visible tattoos. It's just not as big of a deal.

Yeah I’m just speaking from my experiences but I don’t think it’s too far off base. The way people look at tattoos has certainly changed over my life time & I’m only 31. It’s it really in now I feel. I know even 50 year old guys that have gotten sleeves in recent years after previously having like a smaller concealed tattoo or two on their body.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The JG rumors are based on him being a FA and being from Jersey - but the Devils would also be attractive for that reason and have a lot of cap room.

I'll see if there's any real interest, before I get too excited.

The fact that Fletcher hasn't moved JVR says he's not that desperate, more like teams trying to hold him up and Chuck going "really?"

If JG is just a media fantasy then there's no rush to move JVR.

Fletcher hasn't moved JVR because he's spent so much time bleeding away assets that he has nothing available to make the trade happen.

Which is kind of weird since you claimed he didn't do that. And yet he did!

 

[Curufinwe]

Fletcher hasn't moved JVR yet cause he's waiting to get the approval from AV, oops, I mean Torts.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Fletcher hasn't moved JVR because he's spent so much time bleeding away assets that he has nothing available to make the trade happen.

Which is kind of weird since you claimed he didn't do that. And yet he did!

I don't think so. I think it's because GM's know that Fletcher wants JG and they know they can outwait him. They're trying to extract what they can from CF knowing that if he waits too long, JG could sign elsewhere.

 

[flyersnorth]

The smart play might be for the Flames to trade JG's rights to the Flyers for JVR and Florida's 1st. You know Chuck will pay that price, the Flames at least replace some scoring, and can flip him at the deadline for a pick or two.

The Flames would still have cap space to go out and sign / trade for longer-term players if they wanted to.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Are we past the buyout period? I think it's more likely Provolone and Sanheim get dealt than JVR.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

JvR still scored 24 goals last on one of the worst teams in the league. His underlying numbers were pretty decent too despite the negativity around him. He’s not worth $7M caphit anymore but this isn’t some complete albatross situation like others. He’s still a useful hockey player even if he’s overpaid. It’s also just one year left.

So this isn’t a situation where you’re paying like Milan Lucic or some shit to go away where he’s barely hanging onto a lineup spot & the contract attached plays a big part of why he even has the spot in the first place.

The Flyers are paying good draft capital for players that are still useful albeit overpaid to go away. JvR probably has another 20+ goal season in him & depending where he could go he could even see some point improvement compared to last year. After the Gostisbehere situation last year the optics like it or not is that they’re ending up with yoke in their faces.

It already happened once…

Are we past the buyout period? I think it's more likely Provolone and Sanheim get dealt than JVR.

A buyout does nothing for them. They have to clear that full $7M of JvR’s contract to have a chance with Gaudreau.

 

[Prongo]

I think when Murray gets moved to Toronto that the Sens could trade for JVR to try and convince Giroux there. If it doesn’t work they still get a 20+ goal scorer who can help them win for the year and move him at the deadline.

 

[GKJ]

Friedman on 32 Thoughts said basically what we all know: everyone knows the Flyers are trying to move out salary and no one is making it easy.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

LA, Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa, and Chicago all tanked out to build the core of their Cup winning rosters.

For some reason you don't have the guts to admit the Flyers are already basement dwellers and doing a rebuild can't get any worse than it already is.

That is not true actually, they were just awful and poorly managed

In 03-04 season once Daze and Thibault went down with injuries and team fell apart, they finally blew up what talent they had on roster not to tank but to save some $ and get a few picks when trading Zhamnov and Sullivan. The Hawks awful performance that year saw them with 2nd worst record in NHL and the lottery screwed over team as they went from potentially drafting Malkin to Barker

When the lockout began the Hawks actually thought ABC line was worth building around and that we had a good prospect system with Ruutu (1st rounder), Vorobiev (1st rounder), Yakubov (1st rounder), Babchuk (1st rounder), Munro (1st rounder), Seabrook (1st rounder) and Barker (1st rounder) + mix of other guys they liked (Keith was not regarded for instance as one of our top defensive prospects at time that was Seabrook/Babchuk/Barker trio)

Before lockout the Hawks signed C Curtis Brown, RW Matthew Barnaby, D Jassen Cullimore who was a top 4 Dman on cup winning Lightning at time

At end of lockout Hawks actually made big splashes in FA with big signings at time of D Adrian Aucoin, G Nikolai Khabibulin , D Jaroslav Spacek and RW Martin Lapointe.

The expectation was that 05-06 Hawks were going to be reloaded with vets (Especially on D) and with Khabibulin in net and a bunch of kids up front and compete for playoff spot. Also Daze was set to be back and ABC line was the Hawks 1st line and expected to continue to develop as NHL talents

It turned into a big disaster with Aucoin being terrible #1 defender, Cullimore sucking, Spacek being unhappy, Barnaby and other vets called out for poor effort and performance and Khabibulin being forced to fend for himself in net. Daze only played 1 game before having to call it career because his back was so messed up and the entire ABC line was traded out of organization within 2 years (Calder ended up a Flyer)

Most of the big "Future" kids turned out to be busts and disappointments and were out of organization within a few years with next wave (Keith, Bolland, etc stepping into void) finally turning things around

Hawks got lucky at 06 draft when Blues and Penguins passed on Toews in favor of Erik Johnson and Jordan Staal and then well 2007 Hawks got lucky break and won lotto and right to draft Kane as expense of Flyers

The view that Hawks tanked way to success is not accurate at all and if not for Bill Wirtz dying and Pulford (His yes-man and overlord of team) being removed from organization it's unlikely they would have had success they did. Infact its 100% fact they wouldn't have had success they did + games would have never been put on TV and jaded fans would have continued to stay away with Wolves being Chicago's #1 hockey team

I think when Murray gets moved to Toronto that the Sens could trade for JVR to try and convince Giroux there. If it doesn’t work they still get a 20+ goal scorer who can help them win for the year and move him at the deadline.

Sens are reportedly still on a budget, so they won't all of the cap room they have

Thus, why they are looking to move Murray instead of buying him out. Not just to save money but to afford Giroux and potentially at top 4 RD which is need according to Sen fans

JVR to Sens at his cost is problem in that scenario

 

[flyersnorth]

Friedman on 32 Thoughts said basically what we all know: everyone knows the Flyers are trying to move out salary and no one is making it easy.

Hmm, I wonder if there's anything the Flyers could have done (or not done) in the past few days that didn't add a lot of salary to the payroll.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I think most teams in the NHL just organically get there especially since the lottery was implemented & then more picks were up for grabs.

At least when Buffalo went pretty aggressive in 2015 you had McDavid & Eichel for grabs both of these guys were prodigies at the younger levels so they were getting hype multiple years before that. The lottery rule was also the worst team is guaranteed the #2 pick then which doesn’t exist anymore.

Chicago currently is being pretty aggressive for NHL standards to bottom out & play the lottery. But again you have Bedard, Michkov, & Fantilli so there’s very legit prizes at the top better than your normal year. This could be a standout one when you later look back at drafts through the decades & it would surprise you one bit that it ended up being this one at the top.