Post-Game Talk: Woll Wills Leafs over Oilers | Leafs Win 4-3

[Stephen]

Hockey was forged through the war era, it's beauty rooted in the balance of raw physicality and controlled aggression, facilitated by honor and code. Its a sport that rewards grit and determination, where skill and toughness coexist. Like all great art forms it will eventually be fixed by newer generations until it's broken, losing the very essence that makes it great.

You can get punched in the face with no penalty.

Ain't nobody got time for whining about a 5mm offside 30 seconds ago. It was fine the way it used to be.

The level of talent during WW2 was considered to be watered down by historians of the sport because many players served overseas during those years. Let's not go all Tom Hanks here and misremember the good old days. Sometimes an offside is just an offside.

 

[ZEBROA]

If it really bothers you, the solution is simple. Don't watch the NHL while that rule is in place.

Yeah thats the way to change stuff and make the game better.

A lot of rules have sucked during the years. Came and went. The offcide challange sucks. We still watch and hope they come to their senses.

With ai and modern technology they should be able to make a full prof offside check realtime. Keep the flow of the game.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Good game by the Leafs. Woll was particularly good.

 

[hoglund]

There is a silver lining for you.

After 3 straight losses we finally won a game we didn't deserve to because of poor play.

They outplayed Minnesota for most of the game and lost so this win made up for it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yeah thats the way to change stuff and make the game better.

A lot of rules have sucked during the years. Came and went. The offcide challange sucks. We still watch and hope they come to their senses.

With ai and modern technology they should be able to make a full prof offside check realtime. Keep the flow of the game.

How about a play that happens frequently - a player is 1/2 inch offside on a dump-in, but the defending team gets the puck and clears the zone right away. Would you want your "modern technology" to automatically blow the whistle? I think that would cause more disruption in play than the occasional challenge of a goal.

 

[ZEBROA]

How about a play that happens frequently - a player is 1/2 inch offside on a dump-in, but the defending team gets the puck and clears the zone right away. Would you want your "modern technology" to automatically blow the whistle? I think that would cause more disruption in play than the occasional challenge of a goal.

Thats where the AI comes in. you can train it to understand when to act and not act.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Thats where the AI comes in. you can train it to understand when to act and not act.

So it will ignore the marginal offsides unless a goal is scored? The same way linesmen are told to do?

 

[GoonieFace]

So it will ignore the marginal offsides unless a goal is scored? The same way linesmen are told to do?

I am for getting rid of replay altogether. Every penalty is a judgment call, as is offside (although should be more cut and dry). How often does an egregious offside happen that results in a goal? Not often I would guess. More likely to miss a penalty or just refuse to call a penalty.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The critique of this core was always other teams find another gear, and we can never match it. Not seeing anything different this season.

If anything, we've found that extra gear less than usual (usually only in the final minutes of a game trying to tie it). But even still, last year 6 on 5 felt automatic. This year... meh.

 

[The Shadow]

The critique of this core was always other teams find another gear, and we can never match it. Not seeing anything different this season.

If anything, we've found that extra gear less than usual (usually only in the final minutes of a game trying to tie it). But even still, last year 6 on 5 felt automatic. This year... meh.

This team is so frustrating to be a fan of. Just doesn’t have that killer instinct

 

[Stephen]

The critique of this core was always other teams find another gear, and we can never match it. Not seeing anything different this season.

If anything, we've found that extra gear less than usual (usually only in the final minutes of a game trying to tie it). But even still, last year 6 on 5 felt automatic. This year... meh.

The frustrating thing about the Leafs team personality (core) is they have this laid back swagger and belief in themselves, coupled with a history of virtually no success in big moments. So it’s a hair pulling exercise in why they are so complacent and not hungrier despite all evidence up to this point that they’re not good enough.

 

[LeafEgo]

The level of talent during WW2 was considered to be watered down by historians of the sport because many players served overseas during those years. Let's not go all Tom Hanks here and misremember the good old days. Sometimes an offside is just an offside.

Tom Hanks is a gem. Either I butchered it or you missed the net by a good margin on the war front.

The offside review isn't in the spirit of hockey (disrupts game flow, nitpicking technicalities) or the spirit of the rule itself (no impact on play). If they implemented a mechanism to call it as it happens that could work, but we're probably best off having the four officials on the ice make the call and letting the game continue in a way where we don't see goal scoring heroics and folks stopping the puck with their face all for naught.

Think of how deflating this can be for players and fans in a high stakes game. It's clunky and needs to be cleaned up.

 

[Stephen]

Tom Hanks is a gem. Either I butchered it or you missed the net by a good margin on the war front.

The offside review isn't in the spirit of hockey (disrupts game flow, nitpicking technicalities) or the spirit of the rule itself (no impact on play). If they implemented a mechanism to call it as it happens that could work, but we're probably best off having the four officials on the ice make the call and letting the game continue in a way where we don't see goal scoring heroics and folks stopping the puck with their face all for naught.

Think of how deflating this can be for players and fans in a high stakes game. It's clunky and needs to be cleaned up.

I take your point that video replay can impede the entertainment experience. But I would say the league control room should be reviewing to check goals, call down to overturn an offside goal as. quality control what is called incorrectly on the ice.

Free flowing incompetence isn’t what we want either and I doubt the Greatest Generation would have wanted that either.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I am for getting rid of replay altogether. Every penalty is a judgment call, as is offside (although should be more cut and dry). How often does an egregious offside happen that results in a goal? Not often I would guess. More likely to miss a penalty or just refuse to call a penalty.

I'm not sure which would be worse - the idiots screaming about the time taken to get a call right via challenge and video replay, or the idiots screaming about the goals scored against their team when replays clearly show an offside.

And just wait until people start using AI to post phony pictures to 'prove' that a play was/wasn't offside.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I take your point that video replay can impede the entertainment experience. But I would say the league control room should be reviewing to check goals, call down to overturn an offside goal as. quality control what is called incorrectly on the ice.

Free flowing incompetence isn’t what we want either and I doubt the Greatest Generation would have wanted that either.

They do that now for OT goals, where it doesn't delay the next faceoff, and in situations where the goal judge signals a goal but the ref waves it off - then play will stop if it's deemed a goal.

If they did that for every goal scored, instead of just for a challenge, wouldn't that cause more delays?

 

[Stephen]

They do that now for OT goals, where it doesn't delay the next faceoff, and in situations where the goal judge signals a goal but the ref waves it off - then play will stop if it's deemed a goal.

If they did that for every goal scored, instead of just for a challenge, wouldn't that cause more delays?

Shouldn’t they be watching in real time like an eye in the sky? If teams have the resources to check these things why isn’t the league officiating doing this? Or use real time telemetry to check puck position relative to player position. Figure it out.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Shouldn’t they be watching in real time like an eye in the sky? If teams have the resources to check these things why isn’t the league officiating doing this? Or use real time telemetry to check puck position relative to player position. Figure it out.

The league has people actually on the ice watching in real time. They also have the resources and people to check the same way teams do, but usually only intervene if there is a challenge. All of which keeps the game flowing.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The frustrating thing about the Leafs team personality (core) is they have this laid back swagger and belief in themselves, coupled with a history of virtually no success in big moments. So it’s a hair pulling exercise in why they are so complacent and not hungrier despite all evidence up to this point that they’re not good enough.

They all really think, from Shanny to the core that it is just a matter of time and they will win a cup some random year. They think they are doing things fine enough to win, just need more tries. This is professional sports boys. Nearly a decade of falling on our face with no changes is unheard of.

This year the plan seems to be to score 2 or 3 goals and then collapse and let our goaltending hold the lead for 40+ minutes. Should work out great in the playoffs..

 

[LeafEgo]

I take your point that video replay can impede the entertainment experience. But I would say the league control room should be reviewing to check goals, call down to overturn an offside goal as. quality control what is called incorrectly on the ice.

Free flowing incompetence isn’t what we want either and I doubt the Greatest Generation would have wanted that either.

In boxing they won't overturn a knockout because the victor pushed off his opponent using his forearm earlier in the round. Just not in the spirit of the sport.

If the puck takes an akward bounce off the wall should we investigate the infrastructure? That's a tougher pill to swallow.

There was never any controversy over these missed hairline offside calls - controversy was created after the replay reviews were introduced. Fixed something that wasn't broken.

Hockey wasnt meant to judged at the pixel level. Stop whining and keep playing is my perspective, but to each their own.

 

[Stephen]

In boxing they won't overturn a knockout because the victor pushed off his opponent using his forearm earlier in the round. Just not in the spirit of the sport.

If the puck takes an akward bounce off the wall should we investigate the infrastructure? That's a tougher pill to swallow.

There was never any controversy over these missed hairline offside calls - controversy was created after the replay reviews were introduced. Fixed something that wasn't broken.

Hockey wasnt meant to judged at the pixel level. Stop whining and keep playing is my perspective, but to each their own.

Based on this logic we should just do away with the blueline and just turn on side play into a recommendation to eliminate any pixel level confusion.

Goal line stands, crossbars and posts can just arbitrarily be judged as goals based on what feels right.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Edmonton would trade a king's ransom for Stolarz.

They had him lol