2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Tripod]

They hooked me in 87 when I was but a child, and it's the closest they've come to winning it in my entire lifetime. My oldest is now an adult and my youngest is now the same age I was for that fateful 7 game series. A decade from now I'll be closing in on retirement. This is hell.

For me, it was the long Cooperall in early 80's .

I too was a child at 10 years old and now I am now a grandfather and turning 50 in August. I have been able to watch my favorite football, baseball and basketball teams all win championships. But hockey has been my longest love and most disappointing.

And we all can see, Briere is likely to be next in line but will still have the shitheads hovering above him. They won't let him rebuild AND follow it thru to competing. The merry-go-round will continue and that's most depressing.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Of course the price is high. They know it’s ol’ inept Cuck, and he’s shown his hand for months as to what he intends to do. Goodbye Florida’s 2023 1st

 

[GKJ]

On top of that you had on 32 Thoughts last week that the whole league is sitting there waiting for the Flyers to make their move

 

[freakydallas13]

2012, Arizona was in the conference finals.

Yeah, if you include the 2012 playoffs, the Flyers go up to 2 series wins. But interestingly, the Devil's and Coyotes both pass the Flyers with 3.

what teams have won cups tearing it to the studs? la, pittburgh, boston, st.louis, washington, tampa, chicago, they didnt tear it to the studs and so what if we are bad next year and we got top 5 talent with vets, why is that such a freaking a problem?

if you cant happy no matter what this team does, i dont understand why you waste your time on this team? because they are not going to change. if you cant wait for a cup, then change your teams. for some reason you have no guts to move on to another team.

Are you happy being tied for the 5th worst team in the leauge in playoff success over a decade? Because that is what they are.

 

[mja]

I think, for me, it has just gotten to the point where I'm just annoyed that the argument has become so black and white. You are either for a complete rebuild or for competing for a Cup now and there is no in between, when in reality, that is exactly what is going to happen. I will preface everything I will say with the fact that I do not have the confidence in the current management to see out a successful path to becoming a contender so take the 'Fire Fletcher' variable out of it for now. Obviously, and thank you for the data to back it up, this psuedo-competing has not worked over the past decade and another path needs to be figured out. Is that path trading EVERY single player of value and trying to get a top 3 pick in the next 2-4 drafts, in my opinion, I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that you can go that route, which is not guaranteed to necessarily work given the lottery and luck involved, while still convincing some of the players that are actually worthwhile pieces (Hart, Farabee, etc.) to stay here long term and ride out the ship. I think there is a way that you can bring pieces in to improve the roster, respect future cap space, and set yourself up to further improve next year, and then again the year after that. I'm tired of the arguments that you need to either be a top 2 pick lottery team or in the Stanley Cup Final and anything else in the middle is a waste of time. Do I want to see this team make the playoffs just for the sake of it, absolutely not. I want to see the roster actually get better. I want to see our GM not give out long term contracts to very very questionable pieces like Risto and Hayes when they also bemoan needing "elite talent". Ultimately, little will change until there are major structural changes to the decision making group that runs the team and shapes the roster; it is quite clear that due to the same group essentially being in the background running the team and influencing decisions, this franchise has never really figured out how to actually build a roster in the salary cap era given the sporadic success they have had since 2005. I'm hopeful, I'm too old to get angry about the moves or lack there of that they make like I would have in my younger days, and I just wish for all of our sakes that better times lie ahead.

I don't need them to tank. That's not necessarily the argument. They just have to understand where they're at. They're so far from contention and getting farther away with each galaxy brain move Fletch & Co. come up with, that moves like DeAngelo make no sense. Moving JVR with a prime asset to clear cap to sign a UFA makes no sense. Hiring Torts makes no sense. None of it makes any freaking sense.

Stay out of free agency right now, because we're not in a position to build around any potential acquisition. We need young talent everywhere, so not only should we keep our own picks, we should also collect other team's draft picks. If we need to weaponize cap space to take on bad contracts, then so be it. We should clear out any older talent on this team. Couturier would be the first guy I'd try to move in a deal for futures. I'd also ship Provorov out. I think Sanheim's headed towards UFA, so I'd ship him out as well. Play the kids and see what we've got. Stop blocking them with plugs. I'd much rather watch a young team with some emerging talent than the has beens and never weres we keep trotting out.

A complete change in organizational approach is needed. Stop being so obsessed with playing a heavy north-south game with "glue" guys. It's a loser strategy. Focus on speed, skill, and smarts. That's what wins.

Sure, that's a recipe to be really bad for the next 3 years, and hopefully we nab a top 3 pick or two, but then you come out on the other side with some young talent and cap space. That's when you can look to UFA to see if you can land a franchise-changing talent. There are some big names approaching UFA the next three years that could quickly alter the direction of the team. That's the only way we can quickly turn this around, but it's crystal clear Chuck is not up to the task.

 

[wankstifier]

Hopefully NJ signs Gaudreau.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Lets the games begin. Looking forward to see what Chuck does next.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

What did you do with lindblom?

 

[deadhead]

I don't need them to tank. That's not necessarily the argument. They just have to understand where they're at. They're so far from contention and getting farther away with each galaxy brain move Fletch & Co. come up with, that moves like DeAngelo make no sense. Moving JVR with a prime asset to clear cap to sign a UFA makes no sense. Hiring Torts makes no sense. None of it makes any freaking sense.

Stay out of free agency right now, because we're not in a position to build around any potential acquisition. We need young talent everywhere, so not only should we keep our own picks, we should also collect other team's draft picks. If we need to weaponize cap space to take on bad contracts, then so be it. We should clear out any older talent on this team. Couturier would be the first guy I'd try to move in a deal for futures. I'd also ship Provorov out. I think Sanheim's headed towards UFA, so I'd ship him out as well. Play the kids and see what we've got. Stop blocking them with plugs. I'd much rather watch a young team with some emerging talent than the has beens and never weres we keep trotting out.

A complete change in organizational approach is needed. Stop being so obsessed with playing a heavy north-south game with "glue" guys. It's a loser strategy. Focus on speed, skill, and smarts. That's what wins.

Sure, that's a recipe to be really bad for the next 3 years, and hopefully we nab a top 3 pick or two, but then you come out on the other side with some young talent and cap space. That's when you can look to UFA to see if you can land a franchise-changing talent. There are some big names approaching UFA the next three years that could quickly alter the direction of the team. That's the only way we can quickly turn this around, but it's crystal clear Chuck is not up to the task.

Torts makes sense, both TB and CBJ were very young teams, strangely enough, despite the impression given by people here, the Flyers are a very young team if Ellis is LITR and JVR is dumped, you have Couts (30), Hayes (30), Atkinson (33). That's your "age."

We have a solid prospect group at LHV this season, in terms of prospect depth we don't need lots of 2nd and 3rd rd types in the short-run (we need to rebuild the pipeline in the long-run).

What the Flyers need are a few more top 6/top 4 types, they have plenty of middle six forwards/bottom 3 D-men types.

What did you do with lindblom?

Brain fart.

He's definitely a wild card, did the cancer drop him to a 4th line talent or is he ready to rebound back to the 2LW he was before cancer.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

JVR and Hayes on same line with their blazing speed will work out well. I can't wait to see when Hayes JVR and tony d are on the ice against Aho line how that works out. Guessing Torts by game 10 would have Laughton instead of JVR because at least that line 2 has some respectability 2 way.

Farabee with a major disk injury and we know all ready we will back game 7 and not be effected. I hope so.

Provorov desperately needed a d man to build up his game aka Niskanen. Tony D will only devolve Provy more. People on here flipped out pairing Ghost with Provorov but are now ok with Tony D and Provorov. Good times.

Our line 1 is a excellent line 2 but against Carolina, NYR, NYI, WASH, PITT line one, Flyers lose. Not close

Bottom 6 need to be kids and we will see what we have.

Bottom 2 d pairing needs to be kids also. There will be huge growing pains.

Good enough for 8th pick in draft.

I am buying the beach chair for the parade that celebrates Flyers are number 25! We can waive the JVR jersey showing our BLEH.

 

[Curufinwe]

Let's swap Provy for Chycrun (with + on our side probably)

Chychrun makes Ellis look durable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

You said this last summer and they did even worse.

 

[flyersnorth]

Yeah, if you include the 2012 playoffs, the Flyers go up to 2 series wins. But interestingly, the Devil's and Coyotes both pass the Flyers with 3.


Are you happy being tied for the 5th worst team in the leauge in playoff success over a decade? Because that is what they are.

The worst part is that we got nothing out of it.

No Matthews, Marner, Eichel, Makar, Robertson, DeBrincat, and on and on.

We picked up a lot of decent, middling players, but no bona fide stars or stars in the making.

 

[Appleyard]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

I mean, it is a below average at best line-up really.

The only spots in the top 6/top 4 they have players in who are average/better vs league for where slotted are, arguably:

1C (If Couts healthy)
2RW (no matter whether Atkinson or Konecny play there)
2/3D (depending on where Sanheim plays minutes wise)

3/10 of the most important spots in the lineup.

Yeh, they depth should be solid... but Chuck probably finds a way to ruin that with guys like Deslauriers etc.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

That roster is absolutely bottom 10

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Torts makes sense, both TB and CBJ were very young teams, strangely enough, despite the impression given by people here, the Flyers are a very young team if Ellis is LITR and JVR is dumped, you have Couts (30), Hayes (30), Atkinson (33). That's your "age."

We have a solid prospect group at LHV this season, in terms of prospect depth we don't need lots of 2nd and 3rd rd types in the short-run (we need to rebuild the pipeline in the long-run).

What the Flyers need are a few more top 6/top 4 types, they have plenty of middle six forwards/bottom 3 D-men types.


Brain fart.

He's definitely a wild card, did the cancer drop him to a 4th line talent or is he ready to rebound back to the 2LW he was before cancer.

How many years have you been saying this? Though solid = average to me.

 

[Cody Webster]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

Why is this acceptable?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You said this last summer and they did even worse.

That's only because AV mailed it in and coaching suddenly started to matter massively.

 

[freakydallas13]

The worst part is that we got nothing out of it.

No Matthews, Marner, Eichel, Makar, Robertson, DeBrincat, and on and on.

We picked up a lot of decent, middling players, but no bona fide stars or stars in the making.

Our current best players was drafted 11 years ago, and is coming off major surgery.

After a decade of being among the worst teams in the leauge in terms of playoff success, our reward is a team that will be lucky to make the playoffs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Also hilarious that he still thinks Fletcher will let York and Zamula play together while Seeler sits.

 

[deadhead]

I mean, it is a below average at best line-up really.

The only spots in the top 6/top 4 they have players in who are average/better vs league for where slotted are, arguably:

1C (If Couts healthy)
2RW (no matter whether Atkinson or Konecny play there)
2/3D (depending on where Sanheim plays minutes wise)

3/10 of the most important spots in the lineup.

Yeh, they depth should be solid... but Chuck probably finds a way to ruin that with guys like Deslauriers etc.

That's my point, they're a #10-15 team, with a bad HC, a bottom feeder, but Torts has a history of getting young teams to overachieve.

 

[SuchySays]

Where is Giroux going to go?

 

[renberg]

I could be wrong but when looking at the upcoming season, one has to check into the fact that the Bruins, Caps, and Penguins are starting to slide due to injuries and aging talent on the roster. The Eastern Conference is starting to re-cycle with teams like the Rags, Buffalo and Carolina on the rise. As a result it's tough to predict how the Flyers will end up next season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's my point, they're a #10-15 team, with a bad HC, a bottom feeder, but Torts has a history of getting young teams to overachieve.

Below average doesn't start at 10. Below average starts below 16.

Torts is not the miracle worker you pretend he is.

 

[Hurricane28]

Where is Giroux going to go?

Would put money on Ottawa