2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Lord Defect]

@KrazyKat got a lineup you would like to grace us with?

 

[FLYguy3911]

New member of the Sleeve Gang.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Let's swap Provy for Chycrun (with + on our side probably)

 

[mja]

What are the latest on Ellis and Coutsie?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Is there any shot at all G comes here on a cheap deal? No idea how realistic it would be, but coming "home" to Philly knowing that he can be traded at the deadline if (when) they are out of it. Easier to pick a contender in March than in July. Pipe dream I know but maybe he'll read this post and think this idea is awesome and be like, "Man, DrinkFightFlyers is a smart guy, maybe he can be my agent moving forward."

 

[Rebels57]

Is there any shot at all G comes here on a cheap deal? No idea how realistic it would be, but coming "home" to Philly knowing that he can be traded at the deadline if (when) they are out of it. Easier to pick a contender in March than in July. Pipe dream I know but maybe he'll read this post and think this idea is awesome and be like, "Man, DrinkFightFlyers is a smart guy, maybe he can be my agent moving forward."

No

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Is there any shot at all G comes here on a cheap deal? No idea how realistic it would be, but coming "home" to Philly knowing that he can be traded at the deadline if (when) they are out of it. Easier to pick a contender in March than in July. Pipe dream I know but maybe he'll read this post and think this idea is awesome and be like, "Man, DrinkFightFlyers is a smart guy, maybe he can be my agent moving forward."

hes done here..

next years roster is gunna be a even more bottom end team then when he left..

why would he subject himself to more garbage hockey ?

 

[Beef Invictus]

It sounds like Fletcher burned that bridge and closed any possibility of dealing him again

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

hes done here..

next years roster is gunna be a even more bottom end team then when he left..

why would he subject himself to more garbage hockey ?

Easier to pick a contender in March! Just be a mercenary and keep re-signing here and then getting traded! Everybody wins!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[freakydallas13]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

 

[IronMarshal]

What are the odds that Charlie Stramel is the Flyers pick next year? They seem to be partial to the USNTDP, and have no lottery luck, and Torts will keep them from the bottom 3, so… Stramel?

 

[tucson83]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

what teams have won cups tearing it to the studs? la, pittburgh, boston, st.louis, washington, tampa, chicago, they didnt tear it to the studs and so what if we are bad next year and we got top 5 talent with vets, why is that such a freaking a problem?

if you cant happy no matter what this team does, i dont understand why you waste your time on this team? because they are not going to change. if you cant wait for a cup, then change your teams. for some reason you have no guts to move on to another team.

 

[Prongo]

Lol

 

[Rebels57]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

"We're in a good place."

 

[Starat327]

OldManYellsAtSky.gif

 

[Tripod]

I've been waiting 40 years. It's sad to see that the path we are on easily shows another decade of nothingness is in the future.

 

[Beef Invictus]

what teams have won cups tearing it to the studs? la, pittburgh, boston, st.louis, washington, tampa, chicago, they didnt tear it to the studs and so what if we are bad next year and we got top 5 talent with vets, why is that such a freaking a problem?

if you cant happy no matter what this team does, i dont understand why you waste your time on this team? because they are not going to change. if you cant wait for a cup, then change your teams. for some reason you have no guts to move on to another team.

LA, Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa, and Chicago all tanked out to build the core of their Cup winning rosters.

For some reason you don't have the guts to admit the Flyers are already basement dwellers and doing a rebuild can't get any worse than it already is.

 

[BiggE]

The smart thing to do would be to add no one in FA and just play the season with the players you have. Then, at the deadline, move all of the following for picks: JVR, Lindblom, and Sanheim.

However the odds of Cuck doing the smart thing are slightly worse than the odds of winning the powerball

What are the latest on Ellis and Coutsie?

Dead and less dead

 

[mja]

I've been waiting 40 years. It's sad to see that the path we are on easily shows another decade of nothingness is in the future.

They hooked me in 87 when I was but a child, and it's the closest they've come to winning it in my entire lifetime. My oldest is now an adult and my youngest is now the same age I was for that fateful 7 game series. A decade from now I'll be closing in on retirement. This is hell.

 

[BiggE]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

I rank the Flyers as the 31st worst franchise in the NHL. And, the only reason I rank Arizona lower, is due to the financial instability of the franchise. From a pure hockey perspective, the Yotes are in better shape too.

 

[GKJ]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

2012, Arizona was in the conference finals.

 

[Icedog2735]

So I went and looked it up, because I was bored.

The Flyers have won 1 playoff series the last decade, and there are only 6 teams with equal or worse records not counting Seattle:

Playoff Series Wins since 2012
Buffalo - 0
Detroit - 0
Toronto - 0
New Jersey - 0
Arizona - 1 (playin series win)
Florida - 1
Philadelphia - 1

For all you alarmists who say we could become a bottom feeder like Buffalo or Arizona if the team ever did a full rebuild, you seem pretty quiet on the fact that the last decade of Flyers hockey has already had just as bad results, under the guise of "competing".

This team has been (at best) the 7th worst team in the league when counting playoff success over the last decade. 2 teams in this group are currently at least competitive (Toronto and Florida), and I have no problem saying they are currently ahead of the Flyers. Detroit and New Jersey are still rebuilding, but their future seems better than the Flyers at current time, plus both finished ahead of the Flyers this season. Also ahead.

That leaves Buffalo and Arizona as teams you can say had less playoff success than the Flyers, and also don't have bright futures; this is a bottom 7 team the last decade and a bottom 3 team moving forward.

Tell me again how a rebuild will make this team bad, and that the current path is preferable.

I think, for me, it has just gotten to the point where I'm just annoyed that the argument has become so black and white. You are either for a complete rebuild or for competing for a Cup now and there is no in between, when in reality, that is exactly what is going to happen. I will preface everything I will say with the fact that I do not have the confidence in the current management to see out a successful path to becoming a contender so take the 'Fire Fletcher' variable out of it for now. Obviously, and thank you for the data to back it up, this psuedo-competing has not worked over the past decade and another path needs to be figured out. Is that path trading EVERY single player of value and trying to get a top 3 pick in the next 2-4 drafts, in my opinion, I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that you can go that route, which is not guaranteed to necessarily work given the lottery and luck involved, while still convincing some of the players that are actually worthwhile pieces (Hart, Farabee, etc.) to stay here long term and ride out the ship. I think there is a way that you can bring pieces in to improve the roster, respect future cap space, and set yourself up to further improve next year, and then again the year after that. I'm tired of the arguments that you need to either be a top 2 pick lottery team or in the Stanley Cup Final and anything else in the middle is a waste of time. Do I want to see this team make the playoffs just for the sake of it, absolutely not. I want to see the roster actually get better. I want to see our GM not give out long term contracts to very very questionable pieces like Risto and Hayes when they also bemoan needing "elite talent". Ultimately, little will change until there are major structural changes to the decision making group that runs the team and shapes the roster; it is quite clear that due to the same group essentially being in the background running the team and influencing decisions, this franchise has never really figured out how to actually build a roster in the salary cap era given the sporadic success they have had since 2005. I'm hopeful, I'm too old to get angry about the moves or lack there of that they make like I would have in my younger days, and I just wish for all of our sakes that better times lie ahead.

 

[deadhead]

Barring major injuries again, the Flyers will not be a bottom feeder this season.

Farabee (should only miss a half dozen games) - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe/Laughton - Laughton/Laczynski - Laczynski/Allison
Brown, Sandin, Hodgson, Willman
[Foerster, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Lycksell, Brink start in LHV]

Provorov - DeAngelo
Sanheim - Risto
York - Zamula/Hogberg
Seeler

Hart/Sandstrom

If JVR is traded, Laughton moves up to 2LW unless they bring in a veteran LW.

This should be a good enough team to miss the playoffs, but finish out of the top ten.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

They hooked me in 87 when I was but a child, and it's the closest they've come to winning it in my entire lifetime. My oldest is now an adult and my youngest is now the same age I was for that fateful 7 game series. A decade from now I'll be closing in on retirement. This is hell.

They should have won game 1 in 2010.